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Title: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: Hawkinole on October 11, 2021, 02:10:03 PM
It is homecoming week in Iowa City.
Purdue has won 3 of the past 4 meetings, including a 24-20 win in 2020 at Ross-Ade Stadium.
Purdue had a nice win over Oregon State in its opening game, and wins at UConn, and at home against Illinois. Losses to Notre Dame and Minnesota.
I have a feeling there will be an Iowa let down, but will it be enough to allow Purdue to win? Kinnick Stadium is sold out for a 2:30 p.m. CT game. Purdue at 1-1, 3-2 is not a team to let down against. Somehow Purdue frequently punches above its weight against Iowa.
Points per game: Iowa is averaging 31 per points per game, Purdue 23.6. Points allowed: Iowa 13; Purdue 15.4.
Whatever happened to the offensive genius of Jeff Brohm?
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 11, 2021, 02:56:38 PM
Whatever happened to the offensive genius of Jeff Brohm?
He forgot to complete the OL rebuild. 

That's not fair to Brohm, of course. He's trying. But a combination of injuries, medical retirements, etc have turned what was supposed to be at least a serviceable unit this year and it's a sieve. They can't run block. They can't pass protect. And that's not a good combination. 

Purdue's going to need serious magic to keep this one close. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on October 11, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
I also have a feeling that Iowa will be flat.  How can you not be after such an emotional victory in front of an insanely loud crowd?  But there may be few things that might help Iowa's motivation.

Iowa has an off week coming up the week after Purdue,  so Iowa players can tell themselves they just need to get through 1 more week, then they can relax. The week after that, Iowa plays Wisconsin.  So at least with an off week in-between its less likely Iowa will be caught looking ahead to Wisconsin.

Another thing already mentioned. Jeff Brahm has won 3 out 4 against Iowa since taking over Purdue.  He just seems to have some magic knowledge how to burn Iowa's DB's like no other coach.  He doesn't need a Rondale Moore or David Bell to do it either.  Brahm picked on Iowa DB Riley Moss big time when Moss was a freshman pressed into duty due to injuries.  Now Moss is a senior but he may have an injury issue himself now.  Regardless, Iowa knows better than to take Jeff Brahm and Purdue lightly.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on October 11, 2021, 11:44:06 PM
Riley Moss was left off the depth chart at CB. Moss leads the nation in interceptions. He has a capable backup, Terry Roberts, who has one interception on the year. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on October 11, 2021, 11:59:25 PM
Riley Moss was left off the depth chart at CB. Moss leads the nation in interceptions. He has a capable backup, Terry Roberts, who has one interception on the year.
Terry Roberts is my favorite player on Iowa special teams, not counting the punter, kicker or LS.  Terry Roberts is always near the ball on punt coverage, often downing it inside the 5.

I also think Roberts did a great job in the 2nd half against PSU playing CB,  but I think he may have missed a potential interception that maybe Moss would have caught.  But its easy to get spoiled and greedy as an Iowa fan.    I wish Roberts the best of luck filling in for Moss.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: WhiskeyM on October 12, 2021, 07:49:26 AM
The Purdue OL will be a liability.  However, they have been getting better as the season goes on.  They played well enough last game to get a win.  Purdue's problem has been red zone offense and QB.

Unfortunately, Brohm has 2 QBs that come up short in one category or the other.  Plummer doesn't read the defense fast enough and is more of a safe game manager.  O'Connell is more of a gunslinger that can push the ball between the 20s, but he takes bad sacks and makes some horrible decisions, leading to interceptions.

Neither one of those is a safe bet against Iowa on the road.

The defense has been outstanding compared to last year, and can keep Purdue in this game.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 12, 2021, 12:30:45 PM
I also have a feeling that Iowa will be flat.  How can you not be after such an emotional victory in front of an insanely loud crowd?  
I'm thinking the same thing and this is pretty much the only thing that makes this game interesting.  
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2021, 02:36:26 PM
this just feels like a game Iowa loses. Idk why. Call me crazy. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 12, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
this just feels like a game Iowa loses. Idk why. Call me crazy.
You're crazy
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
Purdue's going to need serious magic to keep this one close.
So why can't they sprinkle the same magic dust they used  10-20-2018,c'mon man play some Big Ten Fooftball
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
You're crazy
Careful counsel the Ouija Boards/Tarot Cards are coming out.Kirk's due for a clinker
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 12, 2021, 05:26:02 PM
So why can't they sprinkle the same magic dust they used  10-20-2018,c'mon man play some Big Ten Fooftball
If you look at recent Purdue-Iowa results, it seems that they sometimes bring the same magic dust that they use playing OSU in Ross-Ade, so this isn't out of the realm of possibility. 

Much like 10-20-2018, this is a game that Purdue should NOT win--on paper.

There's a reason Iowa is about an 11-12 point favorite right now. 

I'm not expecting Purdue to do much. If they do, I will be pleasantly surprised.

And much like 10-20-2018 -- when I was in Denver on a weekend getaway and didn't even care about watching that game because I knew Purdue wasn't going to be competitive, I'm planning my Saturday around other things than watching this game. Hopefully it turns out the same.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 12, 2021, 06:00:12 PM
If you look at recent Purdue-Iowa results, it seems that they sometimes bring the same magic dust that they use playing OSU in Ross-Ade, so this isn't out of the realm of possibility.
That's what I'm talkin' about and the congregation wants to hear ;D
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: WhiskeyM on October 13, 2021, 06:22:23 AM
Brohm is 3-1 vs Ferentz (1-1 @ Kinnick, with the loss a mere 6 points).

So yea, there's some magic dust to be had here.

I watched on 10/20/18.  Still my favorite game ever watched on tv.  (Brees to Morales was my favorite in person, guess it's an Ohio State thing).

Will definitely be watching this one.  You never know when the Spoilermakers are gonna strike.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 13, 2021, 09:25:57 AM
Boiler Magic???
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on October 13, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
Kirk Ferentz got himself in trouble in yesterday's press conference when asked about Iowa fans booing the injured PSU players in the last game.  Instead of backing off, he doubled-down, saying this was only the 2nd time in a Big Ten game where he thought a team was faking injuries, and went into detail how he knows it goes on at other programs.

The key question is,  Ferentz never speaks off the cuff, so he must know something, but in the end, why stir the pot?  You need to move on to Purdue and leave PSU behind, right?

  I don't know if it was part of his strategy, probably not,  but this may be a way to motivate what would be a flat Iowa team  otherwise.  Throw in the overall perception that Iowa would have lost if PSU QB never got hurt,  and might just provide the motivation for Iowa to go and blow out Purdue.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 13, 2021, 09:45:30 AM
Kirk Ferentz doesn't always speak glowingly of other programs

his son does not run an up tempo offense

some PSU players were injured and left the game

the fans have nothing to be proud of
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2021, 10:47:48 AM
Kirk Ferentz got himself in trouble in yesterday's press conference when asked about Iowa fans booing the injured PSU players in the last game.  Instead of backing off, he doubled-down, saying this was only the 2nd time in a Big Ten game where he thought a team was faking injuries, and went into detail how he knows it goes on at other programs.
Of course it happens,some squads may take the high road and not.But if the player in question is being treated or found out to be actually hurt then every team will circle this game on the schedule - not that they should need incentive but just human nature.And I think the motivation will be to pound IA as now they are nobodies under dog as they have scorboard on Michigan,tOSU and the N.Lions.

GO BOILERS
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2021, 10:56:04 AM
I watched on 10/20/18.  Still my favorite game ever watched on tv.  (Brees to Morales was my favorite in person, guess it's an Ohio State thing).
Bastage ;D
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 13, 2021, 11:01:20 AM
but, don't have scoreboard on the Boilers
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on October 13, 2021, 01:44:17 PM
Kirk Ferentz doesn't always speak glowingly of other programs

his son does not run an up tempo offense

some PSU players were injured and left the game

the fans have nothing to be proud of
I am wondering if the Brian Ferentz influence is rubbing on his dad. Brian is known more as a hot head and has a completely different personality from his normally low-key dad.  But Kirk Ferentz has displayed a couple ballsy moments the last couple years, but only against teams he seems to some beef with.

For example, Kirk Ferentz last year took all 3 timeouts late in the 2nd half in a blow-out victory against Minnesota.  The game was clearly over.  Still not sure what that was all about.

In the PSU game, KF decided to just kneel down in the 2nd last drive against PSU, and then give the ball back to PSU offense,  clearly stating we don't believe there is any chance your punt return team or your offense is going to score on us.  Although looking back,  this move was very similar to Iowa's 6-4 victory over PSU in 2004.  Then Iowa intentionally took a safety while only leading 6-2.  Meaning after the safety made it 6-4,  all PSU needed was a FG to win, with enough time left for at least 2 drives,  but Ferentz knew there was no chance PSU would even get a FG that day.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 13, 2021, 02:19:16 PM
don't go checking Brian's emails
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: iahawk15 on October 13, 2021, 02:31:10 PM
I am wondering if the Brian Ferentz influence is rubbing on his dad. Brian is known more as a hot head and has a completely different personality from his normally low-key dad.  But Kirk Ferentz has displayed a couple ballsy moments the last couple years, but only against teams he seems to some beef with.

For example, Kirk Ferentz last year took all 3 timeouts late in the 2nd half in a blow-out victory against Minnesota.  The game was clearly over.  Still not sure what that was all about.

In the PSU game, KF decided to just kneel down in the 2nd last drive against PSU, and then give the ball back to PSU offense,  clearly stating we don't believe there is any chance your punt return team or your offense is going to score on us.  Although looking back,  this move was very similar to Iowa's 6-4 victory over PSU in 2004.  Then Iowa intentionally took a safety while only leading 6-2.  Meaning after the safety made it 6-4,  all PSU needed was a FG to win, with enough time left for at least 2 drives,  but Ferentz knew there was no chance PSU would even get a FG that day.

Kirk is very petty and has a long memory. He's been that way a long time; it has nothing to do with Brian.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Benthere2 on October 13, 2021, 03:46:00 PM
Kirk is very petty and has a long memory. He's been that way a long time; it has nothing to do with Brian.
one would also say the acorn doesn't fall to far away from the tree
one just hides better than the other...or at least has for a much longer time
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: HawkFrenzy on October 13, 2021, 04:12:22 PM

For example, Kirk Ferentz last year took all 3 timeouts late in the 2nd half in a blow-out victory against Minnesota.  The game was clearly over.  Still not sure what that was all about.

He did this because with less than 30 secs in the game and inside the 5, PJ Fleck called a timeout to set up a scoring play with his starters still in the game (score was 35-0). On the ensuing drive KF used all his to be funny or a smart ass. He ended up taking a knee to end the game.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2021, 07:43:56 PM
https://twitter.com/JSWarno/status/1448421840209207301?t=TV-WpUnbjTzW5jaJEiQZbQ&s=19
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on October 13, 2021, 07:48:55 PM
I was shocked by the comments, too. This video does not actually depict the Penn State player going down with an allegedly feigned injury. But watch the reaction of Coach Ferentz, and Coach Levar Woods to the alleged injury.
(9) Mark Freund on Twitter: "We know Penn State had some legitimate injuries in this game, but this 54 seconds of video was especially entertaining. I believe this player walked off the field shortly after this clip ends... Let's just say the Iowa coaching staff wasn't buying this one. https://t.co/YC6RPQaIi8" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/MarkFreundTV/status/1447028612423725056?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1447028612423725056|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hawkcentral.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fcolumnists%2Fchad-leistikow%2F2021%2F10%2F12%2Fiowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten%2F6089198001%2F)

Despite Iowa not going to an up-tempo game, with "injuries" like these, they couldn't up-tempo the next play if they wanted to. This write-up is from the Des Moines Register's and Iowa City Press-Citizen's website "Hawk Central":
Here were the three main beefs that Iowa fans had:
(https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2021/10/12/iowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten/6089198001/)It’s worth mentioning here that Ferentz’s son-in-law, Tyler Barnes, was the director of player personnel at Vanderbilt during James Franklin’s three years as coach there. Barnes is Iowa’s recruiting director now; Franklin coaches Penn State. (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2021/10/12/iowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten/6089198001/)
(https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2021/10/12/iowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten/6089198001/)
 “There are two people in our building who have been places where ‘scuba’ and ‘turtle’ were the code words. So, it goes on,” Ferentz said. “We don’t coach it. Haven’t really been exposed to it. But our fans thought they smelled a rat, I guess. I don’t know. They responded the way they responded."  (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2021/10/12/iowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten/6089198001/)

*** (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2021/10/12/iowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten/6089198001/)
“Our fans aren’t stupid. They’re watching, they know what’s going on,” Ferentz said. “I’ve been here 23 years. I think that’s only the second time we’ve seen that kind of stuff going on.”
It is a safe bet that the other game Ferentz was referencing was 2011 vs. Michigan State, when defensive tackle Jerel Worthy essentially admitted afterward (https://www.thegazette.com/2011/11/13/legit-or-not-spartans-timing-draws-reaction/) that he and other Spartans were going down to get a free timeout and slow Iowa’s momentum.
Terry Roberts replaces Riley Moss; Tyler Linderbaum for Heisman? (hawkcentral.com) (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/columnists/chad-leistikow/2021/10/12/iowa-football-terry-roberts-ready-replace-riley-moss-injury-tyler-linderbaum-heisman-trophy-big-ten/6089198001/)
Timing of the allegedly feigned injuries now looks a bit more suspicious after reading this article, and viewing the video. If anybody has other video of the players who shuttled back in after allegedly feigned injuries, I would like to see it. I initially agreed with Franklin, and now I am not so sure. Nepotism at high paying jobs on the football staff exists in Iowa City. So not all is well.



Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2021, 08:28:46 PM
As Hurry Up and Wait, solely to prevent substitutions, has increased in use, and decreased the watchability of the sport both from a tactical and viewership standpoint.  I'm fine with any defensive tactics to stop it, up to and including hiding the game ball
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on October 13, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
I wonder if Kirk Ferentz is thinking of retiring after this season,  otherwise he would never poke the bull with comments like that.    Even if he knows for sure that PSU was faking injuries, why say anything?   
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: iahawk15 on October 13, 2021, 08:49:24 PM
https://twitter.com/JSWarno/status/1448421840209207301?t=TV-WpUnbjTzW5jaJEiQZbQ&s=19
Mustipher was the first PSU injury of the game and not booed, IIRC. I could look into it, but I don't care that much. It seems Franklin doesn't care about the details much, either, using his injury to further gaslight the situation.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on October 13, 2021, 09:53:14 PM
I wonder if Kirk Ferentz is thinking of retiring after this season,  otherwise he would never poke the bull with comments like that.    Even if he knows for sure that PSU was faking injuries, why say anything? 
Ferentz is not contemplating retirement. It is obvious from the video rather than celebrating a good offensive play he was ticked, and still ticked about this on Tuesday, but I don't know why this would go into a press conference. Perhaps he expects to play Penn State in the CCG and is warning the referees now, to flag feigned injuries for unsportsmanlike conduct because Iowa may go up-tempo? 
I am not trying to be funny, but it is puzzling. I just don't understand what part of Iowa's game this is disrupting. Momentum after good offensive plays, which are so few in # for this team, must factor into his thinking.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: LittlePig on October 14, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
Mustipher was the first PSU injury of the game and not booed, IIRC. I could look into it, but I don't care that much. It seems Franklin doesn't care about the details much, either, using his injury to further gaslight the situation.
I have heard contradicting versions of whether Mustipher was booed, he was the first PSU player hurt at 13:12 in the 1Q. So I just played my recording of the game to check.

You can hear a small smattering of boos while Mustipher was on the ground, but not its not as loud as the boos later in the game. This is probably why there is confusion on whether he was booed or not. 

But I am told by people who went to the game that the boos were much louder.  And it wasn't just boos for injured PSU players.  There were boos when the wind was blowing the ball off the tee on the opening PSU kickoff!  Iowa fans were booing early and often and many times it was just an over-reaction before any pattern was established. Now maybe later on, there were those 3 injuries that were questionable,  but its still not obvious to me that PSU was faking injuries, even if the Iowa coaches think so.  The fact that Iowa coaches are feeding into this behavior by fans is embarrassing as an Iowa fan.  But I understand the fans were fired up in what was the biggest game at Kinnick since 1985,  so I can cut them some slack, but normally I expect better from Iowa fans.

Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Hawkinole on October 14, 2021, 10:39:05 AM
The fact that Iowa coaches are feeding into this behavior by fans is embarrassing as an Iowa fan.  But I understand the fans were fired up in what was the biggest game at Kinnick since 1985,  so I can cut them some slack, but normally I expect better from Iowa fans.
Back in the 1960s and 70s (when Iowa was generally bad at football), and I think in the 80s, the PA announcer  Rev. Bob Holzhammer (sp?) would ask the crowd to give a warm welcome the opposing team as they ran on the field, and not everybody, but many would applaud. With no opponents, there would be no Iowa football.
When I go to a game I still applaud the opposing team running onto the field.
Civility has been declining for decades.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: iahawk15 on October 14, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
I have heard contradicting versions of whether Mustipher was booed, he was the first PSU player hurt at 13:12 in the 1Q. So I just played my recording of the game to check.

You can hear a small smattering of boos while Mustipher was on the ground, but not its not as loud as the boos later in the game. This is probably why there is confusion on whether he was booed or not. 

But I am told by people who went to the game that the boos were much louder.  And it wasn't just boos for injured PSU players.  There were boos when the wind was blowing the ball off the tee on the opening PSU kickoff!  Iowa fans were booing early and often and many times it was just an over-reaction before any pattern was established. Now maybe later on, there were those 3 injuries that were questionable,  but its still not obvious to me that PSU was faking injuries, even if the Iowa coaches think so.  The fact that Iowa coaches are feeding into this behavior by fans is embarrassing as an Iowa fan.  But I understand the fans were fired up in what was the biggest game at Kinnick since 1985,  so I can cut them some slack, but normally I expect better from Iowa fans.


I'm certainly not a fan of LeVar Woods' actions on the sidelines, but my identity is not so wrapped up in Iowa football to be personally embarrassed. I have not and would not boo an opposing player, coach, team, or official for any reason so I don't feel accountable for others that chose to do so.

For whatever reason, something about fanaticism (sports at any level, politics, anything) gives our brains permission to turn off logic and run on pure emotion. That leads to a lot of stupid shit, of varying degrees. It creates a divisive culture, allowing us to vilify an entire group of people over the actions of a few.

Apparently, a PSU fan tweeted that he hoped all the kids in the Children Hospital died within the week. Does he represent all PSU fans? Obviously not. Nor are all Iowa fans represented by the few that found said PSU fan's LinkedIn account and tried to get him fired.

But what I find most tiresome about fanaticism is the willingness to pour over minutiae to find any nugget that can be used to attack, to vilify, to divide. The overreactions, the grandstanding, the intellectual dishonesty; it almost makes junior high drama seem palatable.

I've been pruning my sports consumption tree for a long time, and I'm considering chopping the damn thing down to take up fishing and golf full time. I'm only 42, but apparently already old and cranky. Get off my lawn.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 14, 2021, 08:21:40 PM
golf may or may not help

good luck
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 15, 2021, 01:02:50 PM

*GAME OF THE WEEK*
Purdue Boilermakers (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa Hawkeyes (3-0, 6-0)
3:30 - Iowa City, IA - ABC
Everyone knows how great Iowa is, and even when you manage to scrape together some yards on them, they turn you over.  Best case scenario, you don't let them house you, and at least make Spencer Petras and an inept run attack score the points themselves.  But who is that right behind Iowa in scoring defense in conference games?  That would be the Boilers, perhaps the most underrated defense in the conference.  But before your think this is going to be an old school Big Ten run the ball-play defense, game, neither team can run the ball a lick.  That has been a perpetual problem for Purdue under Brohm, so it's no surprise to see them sitting dead last in the conference at just 2.8 ypc.  They've only scored 2 rushing touchdowns, nobody else in the conference has less than 7.  But right above them, at 13th in the Big Ten is Iowa, at just 3.2 ypc.  This certainly isn't surprising, considering how many turnovers they've created, and how many points they outright score themselves, but Iowa has the fewest yards per point in the nation at just 10.1.  So you match those stats up, and it's hard to figure out how one team is ranked #2 in the nation, and the other team is fighting to get bowl eligible.  It's all turnovers.  I know those are fluky, but we are halfway into the season, and we've sort of reached a point where you are what you are.  Iowa is leading the nation in takeaways with 20, and Purdue is dead last with 2.  Both lines are a bit of a mess in run blocking, but even behind a better line, I'm not sure Purdue has a running back that scares me.  Every time I see Tyler Goodson, I am impressed as hell.  He should be one of the three or four best backs in the conference, but his line ranks in the bottom 10 nationally in standard yards, and stuff rate, which is when the running back is hit at or behind the line of scrimmage.  If the running games do in fact neutralize each other, and suddenly the turnover margin is a wash, I like Jake O'Connell more than Spencer Petras.  So if this was in West Lafayette, and you could erase the intangibles, I might pick Purdue to pull the upset.  But this just feels like one of those magic seasons, like I enjoyed in 2015, where every bounce goes your way, and I don't see that happening at home.  Iowa is again +3 or more in turnovers, and get the points when the opportunity presents itself.
IOWA 31, PURDUE 6

Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 15, 2021, 01:30:14 PM
I think this game comes down to turnovers, obviously, but there's one more statistical area that I think may become incredibly important--3rd down conversion percentage. 

Offensively Iowa is abysmal on 3rd down (92nd nationally) but defensively good (32nd nationally) at getting their opponent off the field. Offensively Purdue is competent on 3rd down (45th nationally) and even better defensively (27th nationally) at getting their opponent off the field. 

I think third down conversions can be a somewhat "noisy" stat week-to-week, but it's what sustains drives and leads to points. 

If Purdue can have a good day on third down while Iowa doesn't, and keep from coughing the ball up to Iowa, they can make this close. 

But that may not be likely.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 15, 2021, 02:13:11 PM
I think this game comes down to turnovers, obviously, but there's one more statistical area that I think may become incredibly important--3rd down conversion percentage.

Offensively Iowa is abysmal on 3rd down (92nd nationally) but defensively good (32nd nationally) at getting their opponent off the field. Offensively Purdue is competent on 3rd down (45th nationally) and even better defensively (27th nationally) at getting their opponent off the field.

I think third down conversions can be a somewhat "noisy" stat week-to-week, but it's what sustains drives and leads to points.

If Purdue can have a good day on third down while Iowa doesn't, and keep from coughing the ball up to Iowa, they can make this close.

But that may not be likely.
Listing to Warren Sharp's podcast has made me hate that stat.  Although, also MSU is terrible at it this year.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 16, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
this just feels like a game Iowa loses. Idk why. Call me crazy.

called it.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 16, 2021, 06:15:44 PM
You're crazy
*AHEM*
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 16, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
Careful counsel the Ouija Boards/Tarot Cards are coming out.Kirk's due for a clinker
Ahem
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 16, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
Think they Said O'Connel was 9/10 on 3rd downs,that's money
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 16, 2021, 07:00:19 PM
ELA's prediction was a little off this time around. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 16, 2021, 08:13:30 PM
ELA's prediction was a little off this time around.
Not that far off the final score, just reversed.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2021, 08:15:30 PM
Congrats bwar! 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 16, 2021, 08:18:42 PM
My plan (not making an effort to watch like occurred in the 2018 OSU game heading to a Purdue win) worried out... I didn't get home and in front of the TV until the start of the 4th. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on October 16, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Chicken
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: grillrat on October 17, 2021, 06:16:59 PM
ELA's prediction was a little off this time around.
ELA has always sucked at picking Purdue games.  I believe he's 0'fer on the year so far.
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 17, 2021, 11:02:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UJBLHxq.jpg)
(https://twitter.com/bryonhoulgrave)
Bryon Houlgrave


In the most badass moment of the game, Purdue offensive lineman Greg Long pours a can of
@budlight (https://twitter.com/budlight)
over his face after a fan tossed the beer onto the field in
@BoilerFootball (https://twitter.com/BoilerFootball)
's 24-7 win over No. 2 Iowa today in Iowa City.



Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 18, 2021, 09:50:25 AM
surprised it wasn't Busch lite
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on October 18, 2021, 10:11:15 AM
How many here actually thought Iowa was the #2 team in the country?
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 18, 2021, 10:24:22 AM
not I
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 18, 2021, 10:58:28 AM
Well, hey... Iowa maintained their streak of not allowing more than 24 points in a game. 

So they got that going for them, which is nice.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 3-2) at #2 Iowa (3-0, 6-0) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 18, 2021, 03:19:40 PM
And much like 10-20-2018 -- when I was in Denver on a weekend getaway and didn't even care about watching that game because I knew Purdue wasn't going to be competitive, I'm planning my Saturday around other things than watching this game. Hopefully it turns out the same.
I don't know if someone already beat me to this, but your Alma Mater needs you to stop watching their football games!  
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 18, 2021, 03:21:42 PM
I don't know if someone already beat me to this, but your Alma Mater needs you to stop watching their football games! 
I'll try to do that in the future against teams ranked #2... Works so far ;-) 
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 18, 2021, 03:21:54 PM
Well, hey... Iowa maintained their streak of not allowing more than 24 points in a game.

So they got that going for them, which is nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWcRqPesws
Title: Re: Purdue (2-1, 4-2) at #2 Iowa (3-1, 6-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 18, 2021, 03:23:22 PM
Not that far off the final score, just reversed.
It was a typo, I meant to pick Purdue :)