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Topic: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game

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Hoss

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2018, 11:50:16 AM »
Where did "zero chance of being competitive against FBS competition" come from? That is silly hyperbole. 

Lets be clear: the wheels were never ON last season. Out of the gate, that team had to make a redzone stand in the waning seconds to beat  Arkansas State. Even if it were possible to make some terrible pre-Christmas bowl game by retaining a chunk of that regime, it wasn't worth it. We need to reboot, and be recruiting to the system we're rolling with.
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« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2018, 11:51:31 AM »
Quote from: Hoss on October 02, 2018, 11:50:16 AM
Where did "zero chance of being competitive against FBS competition" come from? That is silly hyperbole.
have you met Brutus?
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2018, 11:54:30 AM »
We have penalty issues for years...we were consistently one of the most-flagged programs in both the Big 12 and BIG since 2008. Its particularly bad right now, but we had a few seasons under Bo where we were close to 10 flags per game on the season...hopefully the staff can clean this up and bring the average down. 
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« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2018, 12:06:35 PM »
I get the optimism, and the desire to back your guy. But the Rich Rod comparisons seem apt. Both had a system that dominated a depleted Big East/AAC. Both refused to alter that system in order to fit the talent that they had on the roster. 

The Huskers beat Purdue last year. Got their butts kicked this year. (Speaking of Purdue, Brohm stepped into a much worse situation, with a lot more success.) Nebraska beat the Illini last year. Probably not gonna happen this year. 

These players didn't pick Frost. Frost picked them. Running a system where they have no chance of having even a halfway decent season is not fair to the seniors that stuck with the program through thick and thin, imo.

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« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2018, 12:39:45 PM »
Brutus...     You're basic assumption that the program would have success under the old system is flawed.   The program was not getting better with another year.  Plus, this years schedule is tougher as well.     So even if Frost decided to win for the seniors, getting back to 4 wins vs say 2... it doesn't matter.   Best to rip the band aid off in this scenario and start over.   It's not like they went bowling last year or had 11 wins.   The scenarios are very different. 



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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2018, 12:59:51 PM »
UNL vs Purdue

Purdue:            2018   2017
Rushing Yards   188   199
Passing Yards    328   164
Total Yards         516  363
Ave Yd per Play  6.5   5.5
Penalty Yds       75     95
Turnovers         0      0

Nebraska:        2018    2017
Rushing Yards   259       40
Passing Yards   323       431
Total yards      582       471
Ave yd per play  7.6      6.1
Penalty yds        63      136
Turnovers         1         0


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« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2018, 01:04:47 PM »
so both teams increased their total yards by 65-70 year over year...  UNL outgained in both years in total and yards per play.   The difference is turnovers and penalties.   It would appear to me the stats back up the system change was not the difference in outcomes year over year. 
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« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2018, 01:13:12 PM »
The main difference between Frost and RR is a matter of culture matching, not personnel. Both walked into bad situations. But only at Michigan was RR instantly disliked by the administration, boosters and press. That as much as anything wrote Rich's fate. It didn't determine the first year, but it did influence the things that came after: buy-in, recruiting, the "we stretched 20 too many minutes per week" scandal, and his accelerated firing. So I'd be wary of any comparison between them that extends after year 1.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2018, 02:30:25 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 12:06:35 PM
The Huskers beat Purdue last year. Got their butts kicked this year. (Speaking of Purdue, Brohm stepped into a much worse situation, with a lot more success.) Nebraska beat the Illini last year. Probably not gonna happen this year.

These players didn't pick Frost. Frost picked them. Running a system where they have no chance of having even a halfway decent season is not fair to the seniors that stuck with the program through thick and thin, imo.

The Huskers kicked their own butts last Saturday, weren't over matched by the Boilers.  I think there's a better than decent chance the Huskers beat Illinois.
the only obvious personnel issue with Frost's offensive system is the O-line.  The offense has done well except for a trip to the Big house.
Martinez, Spielman, Morgan, and Ozigbo had very nice games despite the O-line woes.  31 first downs and 582 total yards isn't the issue.
It's the special teams gaffs, the terrible defense, and the penalties. 
Hiring Riley wasn't fair to the Seniors.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2018, 02:32:06 PM »
The comparison Brutus is trying to make isn't Frost 2018 RR; its to Hoke's first season, where he retained the skeleton of the RR offense, built around Denard Robinson.

Its a comparison that is flawed at its core, because it requires the assumption that retaining the offensive or defensive system of the predecessor provides some benefit as opposed to starting over. In neither case is that true for NU in 2018.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2018, 02:41:02 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 02:30:25 PM

Hiring Riley wasn't fair to the Seniors.
No argument there.
They really raked the fans over the coals with that one. 
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #81 on: October 02, 2018, 03:29:37 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 12:06:35 PM
(Speaking of Purdue, Brohm stepped into a much worse situation, with a lot more success.)

Brohm did step into a bad situation. But he had a few key areas of strength:
1) Linebackers. For whatever sins Hazell had, he recruited some good LBs.
2) Running backs. We had plenty of talent, plenty of depth.
3) Tight ends. They became critical in the passing game as our WR corps was weak.
4) QBs. Blough/Sindelar are both very talented. 
What hurt us going from 2017->18 has been the graduation of the linebackers as well as a number of other defensive starters. So our defense faltered while our offense has started to look like a Brohm offense should.
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« Reply #82 on: October 02, 2018, 11:27:23 PM »
The Huskers have suffered their first in-season roster departure of the 2018 season, with Tyjon Lindsey no longer on the team, an NU football spokesman confirmed on Tuesday night. He has requested and been granted his release.

The sophomore wide receiver's name disappeared from the official team roster on Tuesday. Coming four games into the season, the move could allow Lindsey to use the new redshirt rule to his benefit and transfer somewhere else while still maintaining three remaining years of eligibility.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2018, 05:12:16 AM »
That's a ball kick but if it's happening now it is (just is) best for everyone involved.
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