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Title: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 24, 2018, 01:35:58 PM
Way to start off with some bulletin board material (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2018/09/24/huskers-frost-on-purdue-we-get-a-game-that-we-can-win/37916955/), Scottie!


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"We've got a chance to get reset next week," Frost said. "This is a really good (Michigan) team we played. We get a game that we can win next week.

Pretty sure that some Purdue players are angry that they're 1-3 right now instead of 4-0, so this is going to be a battle of who wants it more.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 24, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
Purdue will prevail. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 24, 2018, 01:44:45 PM
ya UNL is at home but Purdue is/will be favored.They certainly didn't need any prodding.Whatever happened to what it is said/happens in the locker room stays there
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Hoss on September 24, 2018, 01:50:35 PM
I *think* we can keep their points down to a reasonable degree, because our front seven on D is better than their OL. We should be able to get after Blough. 

Our OL is atrocious though. We haven't played a good quarter of offense since the first half against Colorado, who didn't have a concrete idea of what we would be doing at kickoff, and I don;t expect that to change this week. 

Purdue 30
Nebraska 16
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 24, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
If that's what qualifies as bulletin board material, we as a society need to get better at insulting people's mamas and the like.   I'm not sure how saying you get a game you can win a game is supposed to trigger your opponent.

I think last year's 4th quarter sequence would be motivation enough for Purdue.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:02:33 PM
even with all the disappointment so far, I might attend this game.

Going to be playing golf in Omaha Sunday morning anyway.

Frost didn't say the Huskers were going to win, he didn't say Purdue sucks.  Maybe he should say some things to motivate his team.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 24, 2018, 02:04:32 PM
If that's what qualifies as bulletin board material, we as a society need to get better at insulting people's mamas and the like.   I'm not sure how saying you get a game you can win a game is supposed to trigger your opponent.
Well, it's certainly not a huge slight... Purdue is 1-3 with a bad loss to EMU. 
But it's clearly them saying that Purdue is "just Purdue". Michigan's a real football team. But Purdue is a half-step above the MAC, so Nebraska is just supposed to dominate?
It's like, you know y'all got beat by Troy, right? 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 02:09:18 PM
Purdue 27
Nebraska 19
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 24, 2018, 02:16:11 PM
How would Troy fare vs Eastern MI?
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 24, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
But it's clearly them saying that Purdue is "just Purdue". Michigan's a real football team. But Purdue is a half-step above the MAC, so Nebraska is just supposed to dominate?
Ya your team should want it anyway it's just I can see Steve Spurrier somewhere thinking damn why didn't I think of that
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:35:00 PM

But it's clearly them saying that Purdue is "just Purdue". Michigan's a real football team. But Purdue is a half-step above the MAC, so Nebraska is just supposed to dominate?

I certainly agree, but not with the bold part
I think perhaps, "Nebraska is supposed to be able to compete"
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 24, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
and yet Frost didn't even say dominate, or whoop, or handle, or anything.  He said they play an opponent and can win a football game.  Others would be choosing to interpret that as a slight against Purdue.    Perhaps Vegas is slighting Purdue with a -3 line?
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
I'd give the 3 right now
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 24, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
When our new Power Rankings come out it looks like Nebraska will be roughly tied for 12th/13th while Purdue will be in 9th so this isn't likely to have any impact on the B1GCG but it is huge for both teams' bowl hopes.  

For Nebraska:
The Huskers are in serious trouble.  They are 0-3 and it appears unlikely that they'll schedule a replacement for Akron so they would need to finish 6-2 to get to 6-5 and definite eligibility or 5-3 to get to 5-6 and possible eligibility.  Neither of those things are likely but finishing 6-1 or 5-2 after losing this game is even less likely so they have to win here to even have a plausible chance.  

For Purdue:  
Those three close early losses could come back to cost the Boilermakers a chance to go bowling.  They are 1-3 and need to finish 5-3 to get to 6-6 and definite eligibility or 4-4 to get to 5-7 and possible eligibility.  Those are definitely possible especially with Illinois and Minnesota still on the schedule but finishing 5-2 or 4-3 after losing this game would be very unlikely.  
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 02:54:11 PM
UNL has an Akron replacement scheduled. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 24, 2018, 03:06:52 PM
Bethune-Cookman is the end of October Akron replacement game.


In my rosy 5-7 season prediction for Nebraska, I did have this in the win column.   I can't say I feel that way anymore.   I'm not sure I would feel any differently even if Michigan had won 28-10.  
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 03:14:48 PM
Freshman quarterback Adrian Martinez will start against Purdue, Frost said. Martinez said Monday that his knee is feeling great.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 24, 2018, 03:32:41 PM
I certainly agree, but not with the bold part
I think perhaps, "Nebraska is supposed to be able to compete"
and yet Frost didn't even say dominate, or whoop, or handle, or anything.  He said they play an opponent and can win a football game.  Others would be choosing to interpret that as a slight against Purdue.    Perhaps Vegas is slighting Purdue with a -3 line?

I'm not saying he shouldn't talk up his team. I'm not even saying he should speak of Purdue like the Boilers are the second coming of Bama. 
But when you say "Michigan was a really good football team. We got a game we can win this week.", you're basically implying that the team you're about to face isn't good at all. 
That's just being a dick. 
And I hope Purdue shuts his mouth on the field. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 03:34:26 PM
some more bulletin board material...............

» Husker players showed a healthy respect for Purdue, who took NU to the wire in 2017 before losing 25-24. Gifford called Purdue quarterback David Blough — starting his fourth game against the Huskers — “a gamer” who “plays hard” like the rest of the Boilermakers. Farmer said the team is not taking Purdue lightly.

“This isn’t going to be a cupcake for us,” Farmer said. “This is going to be a real game. We’re going to have to frickin fight, but I think, at the end of the day, if we pull these things together, we’re going to have a really good day.”

» Purdue freshman receiver Rondale Moore  is a “mismatch nightmare,” Neal said. Moore leads the Big Ten in all-purpose yards and lines up all over the field. Neal said NU defenders have to identify where Moore is and, from there, “rally and tackle” Moore, who generally makes the first defender whiff.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 24, 2018, 03:39:51 PM
Fearless, that's what I'm talking about.

I expect Purdue players to treat this game the same way. We know y'all are 0-3, but we're not in a place to take ANY opponent lightly. 

I find it odd to see the message from the top seem much more dismissive. For example, this was Brohm's response:


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"I think that obviously he was talking after a loss that he didn't like very much," Brohm said. "So I get it. But no, I think everything that's said is heard, and our team needs to respond and understand that we've got to show up ready to play and this team will be licking their chops trying to get us."
He's basically saying we've gotta be ready to play, because we know they're going to be ready to play. 
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 03:44:37 PM
Brohm handled that very well

He was going to do everything he could to have his Boilers ready to go in Lincoln, this just gives him a little help.

In today's press conference Frost was giving Purdue the respect they deserve.  Obviously, Frost's seemingly disrespectful comment was during Saturday's post game presser.

doesn't excuse him from his comment....
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 24, 2018, 03:45:04 PM
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Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 24, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
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Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
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Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 24, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
UNL has an Akron replacement scheduled.  
My mistake, sorry I hadn't seen that.  That said, I'm not sure that it changes my prediction much.  If they don't beat Purdue at home this weekend I think that 5-7 would be unlikely and 6-6 would be nearly impossible.  
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: Entropy on September 24, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
agree...  your conclusions were valid.
Title: Re: Nebraska (0-3, 0-1) vs Purdue (1-3, 0-1) Game Week
Post by: MrNubbz on September 24, 2018, 04:11:54 PM
Records be damned this could shape up as the Big Ten GOTY.Specially since I nodded off the 2nd half of IA vs UW
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on September 25, 2018, 01:25:14 PM

Purdue Boilermakers (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska Cornhuskers (0-1, 0-3)
3:30 - Lincoln, NE - BTN
Purdue got that monkey off their back in a major way, with a decisive home win over what had been a red hot Boston College team.  Winning the game, even by the margin they did, was surprising, but what was shocking was how well the defense, which had been struggling, was able to shut down the Eagles' offense, which was just rolling over teams.  Granted, after seeing Wake Forest lay another egg on defense last week, leading to the firing of their defensive coordinator, maybe there was a little bit of fool's gold there.  But the Boiler defense was smothering.  They held BC to just 229 yards of total offense, forced 2 turnovers, and they only got to double digits in points with a garbage time touchdown against the backups in the final minute.  Anthony Brown had as bad a stat line as you'll see all season, 13-27 for 96 yards, a touchdown, 4 interceptions, and -22 rushing yards.  Purdue had a plan, stuff A.J. Dillon, and force Boston College to throw from behind.  The plan was obvious enough, but executing it was a taller task, with Dillon as tough a back to stop as there is in the nation.  They held him to just 59 yards on 19 carries, his worst game since his second game on campus, when he was still a backup.  It's a different animal this week, trying to shut down the mobile Adrian Martinez.  Michigan has the talent to make a lot of offensive lines look bad, but Nebraska's looks particularly undermanned right now.  Between passes and rushes, Martinez's plays totaled 10 yards on 22 plays.  The Huskers didn't top the 100 yard mark in total offense until there was 6:20 left in the game.  Turning the tide starts with doing a much better job controlling the trenches.  Martinez has the ability to turn a small hole into a big play, but he's not even getting that right now.  Right now, Frost's offense can't work with this line, and for the moment Andrew Bunch, who looks to be a better passer right now, may be the better option to just try and let the wideouts make a couple of plays.  But it's clear Nebraska isn't playing for the moment, and nobody is suggesting the prudent move is to pull Martinez.  Whatever game reps he gets now will be more valuable towards competing for conference championships in 2020 and beyond, than picking up an extra win in 2018.  But getting those extra bowl practices would do this team a world of good, and with trips remaining to Madison, Evanston, Columbus and Iowa City, it's clear that every home game is a must win to keep any such hopes alive.  While the Purdue pass defense showed up last week, passing on them, has been the way to beat them.  It wasn't just shutting down Dillon that announced their run defense was legit, they were already a top 5 run defense in the conference based on yards per carry.  Weird stat, Purdue has yet to collect a road win against any of the Big Ten newbies.  They are 1-7 in Happy Valley since Penn State joined the conference.  They are also 0-4 in Minneapolis since TCF Bank Stadium opened.  That makes them a combined 1-15 in the five newest conference venues.  I think they are due for 2-15.
PURDUE 31, NEBRASKA 24
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on September 25, 2018, 02:41:09 PM
call me crazy but I like Nebraska in this one. They are a desperate team right now. Desperate teams can be dangerous. They just got pantsed on national tv by Michigan. They need a win in the absolute worst way. Frost is a really good coach and Nebraska is a proud program. B1G home opener for them. Beating Purdue at home could be a real spring board for their season to get things turned around a little bit. I like Nebraska in the upset.
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 25, 2018, 05:10:00 PM
this is what I'm hoping for.....

we shall see
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on September 26, 2018, 09:08:34 AM
Any 3 point dog CAN WIN the game, and will win about 40% of the time.

I like Purdue in this one, perhaps because of their 3 close losses and the impressive win at BC.

Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 28, 2018, 08:18:12 PM
A familiar face at sporting events will make a stop at Memorial Stadium on Saturday.

Bill Murray, the actor known for his work on Saturday Night Live and through movies like Caddyshack, Ghostbusters and Stripes, will be joining Tom Osborne at Memorial Stadium on Saturday. Murray, who is in Omaha on Saturday performing at the Holland Center, will join Osborne in the former coach's suite at the stadium.
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on September 28, 2018, 08:19:26 PM
The BTN Tailgate show is airing Saturday morning from Lincoln before the Purdue-Nebraska game. Here’s what they’ve got planned:

Nebraska basketball head coach Tim Miles will appear live on set.
Jason Peter, a consensus All-American at defensive end for the 1997 national champion Huskers, will also visit the set.
“Spice versus” will feature Spice Adams pitted against Nebraska women’s golfer, Kate Smith.
Gerry DiNardo goes end zone-to-end zone with legendary Nebraska coach Tom Osborne, presented by GEICO.
“Loungin’ with Howard” featuring Stanley Morgan.
“Instant Legend” focusing on former Huskers quarterback and current head coach Scott Frost.
The show begins live at 9 a.m. CDT from the South Plaza of Pinnacle Bank Arena. Students and fans can enter the BTN Tailgate area beginning at 8 a.m.
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: jhetfield99 on September 29, 2018, 10:37:52 AM
Purdue wins 30-17.  I think we finally see a couple of trick plays click including a fake punt.  Key is Purdue getting up early in the 1st half again allowing the D to take more chances and be more aggressive as worked well last week.

I didn't realize that Purdue late 4th Q choke vs Neb was their only win in the last 10.  Makes that loss hurt even more.
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 07:54:55 PM
How's that crow taste, Scottie? 
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 11:38:49 PM
I doubt that was the problem for Nebraska.
Title: Re: Purdue (0-1, 1-3) at Nebraska (0-1, 0-3) Game Week
Post by: Cincydawg on September 30, 2018, 09:08:48 AM
Looks like a Big Rebuilding Job in Lincoln, far larger than I had realized.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 01, 2018, 12:10:30 PM
I am learning just how deluded many of our fans actually are…far more than I realized.  I am not talking about the Casual Fan, but the supposed Twitter Intelligencia that knows formation names and recruiting class rankings and stuff, but apparently has zero clue that football is actually played by humans and not capital letters.

Entropy and I were discussing how the volume of Nebraska-related internet traffic is way down this year. That may seem obvious- like “Duh…they suck”- but there’s more to it than that IMO. We have sucked, outright, for a while now. Since losing in OT at Wisconsin in October 2016, when NU was flirting with a Top 10 ranking, we dropped 4 of 6 to end that year, went  a disastrous 4-8 in 2017. There was plenty of internet traffic in those times…all incessant bitching and ranting, but there was plenty of it.

I think what we are seeing now is that most fans are hitting the metaphorical snooze button, and waiting to come back in a year (Or two) to see what Frost has accomplished. They trust him and support him, but they don’t watch the sausage being made.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on October 01, 2018, 12:37:00 PM
That's a fair take.  I know my Purdue pals which were over at our house for a party were like 'you seem to have moved on.'   For starters, I don't get apoplectic about college football anymore, haven't for a long time.    Moreover, it was apparent to me early in the Riley experiment, that this program was a long way from competing.   I still can't believe I was as generous to suggest a 5 win season this year.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 01, 2018, 01:03:25 PM
There is only so much abject failure and fan-on-fan crime that a person can take before you find better things to do. The games are terrible and the boards are a shitshow of intersectional warfare…thank God I have one kid that’s good in fall sports.

Nothing is going to change until this program gets stronger and faster players, period. The question is whether the staff is going to go Full JUCO this December/February is hopes of a quick fix, or if they have the patience and ability to build from the prep ranks.



Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 01:17:32 PM
The great coaches can adapt their system to the players on the roster. UFM inherited a 6-7 Tressel ball team and won the next 24 games. 

Were I a Nebraska fan, I'd find the square peg/round hole approach to be a tad concerning. He should at least be able to get as much out of this team as did Mike Riley. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 01, 2018, 01:39:29 PM
I agree with your point, although I don't think UFM pulled off quite the transition miracle you posit. Not only did Tressel recruit well overall, but he'd been using QBs like Smith, Pryor and Miller who's skill set could be integrated into Urban's offense. Scott has neither luxury. 

That said, I think the defensive staff has mismanaged their personnel at LB, and its costing them dearly. We have a SS that should be playing WLB, a WLB that should be playing ILB, and an ILB that should be filling water bottles. 

The offensive staff....I just don't think they have the OL to play with wide splits. That's a base tenant of Scott's offense, but man, if you can't block nothing else is going to work. Especially with an 18yo quarterback. For $5M a year, tweak the damn playbook to use tighter splits.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 01, 2018, 01:41:06 PM
FYI while I was being flippant about Frost eating crow, I would point out that this game was not actually particularly lopsided. The biggest killer for Nebraska was 11 penalties for 136 yards. Those penalties extended Purdue drives and stifled a few of their own drives, and without them this game is MUCH closer.

Looking at the play by play, I counted two specific penalties which extended Purdue drives on 3rd down where they wouldn't otherwise have converted, resulting in 10 Boilermaker points. That doesn't account for several of the other big penalties that occurred on 1st or 2nd down to move the chains as well. 

I think the outcome really came down to two issues: 

1) Penalties.
2) Nebraska couldn't generate defensive pressure.

In general, Nebraska played equal or slightly better statistically, but managed to shoot themselves in the foot at the worst times.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
The Nebraska fan base has annoyed me for over 10 yrs.   It's like sitting at a table of D's and R's listening to them defend or attack not based upon facts or a position, but which HC they supported.

It's been much easier watching from a distance these last few years.  

That said....   Frost can only adjust so much.   Meyer had guys who fit.  JH basically inherited a team that ran the same system (well, almost).   Frost suddenly can't redesign his system to fit big slow, but weak OL that were recruited to get in the way.  

What has been very discouraging has been the penalties.  So many dumb penalties.   They sustained 3 drives that resulted in 21 pts for Purdue.   Just frustrating..
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: MarqHusker on October 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
The penalties were crippling as noted.

Btw, you can ID a several  great coaches that came into a situation and year 1 is just as stinky or even worse then the old coach.  It's not dispositive of anything of course just the truth.   
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 01:49:11 PM
and UNL did the same vs CU.   That targeting penalty gave CU a first down instead of 4th and long.   just silly
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 01:55:07 PM
https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/junior-linebacker-honas-out-for-remainder-of-season/article_d7a74d04-c945-5077-8e71-43254d91c56e.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/junior-linebacker-honas-out-for-remainder-of-season/article_d7a74d04-c945-5077-8e71-43254d91c56e.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

well... on the bright side... they'll be able to redshirt him
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 01:57:28 PM
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Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
I mean even Hoke won 11 games in year one by running the Rich Rod offense.

Rich Rod tried the square peg/round hole thing and it was not quite this big of a mess, but it was close.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
We will see how it end.... .  But who had more to work with?  RR or Frost?  Michigan came off an 11-2 season and RR went 3-9.   UNL won 4 games last year.  

UNL has a talent problem, regardless of system.  4 years ago, with Bo being fired, you lost a class in recruiting.   Riley seemed to do well on paper, but man... the team is missing athletes.   UCF had more to work with according to some of the strength coaches.  

so far, this has been brutal.  
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
The great coaches can adapt their system to the players on the roster. UFM inherited a 6-7 Tressel ball team and won the next 24 games.

Were I a Nebraska fan, I'd find the square peg/round hole approach to be a tad concerning. He should at least be able to get as much out of this team as did Mike Riley.
UFM inherited 
QB rated No. 29 player in his class with starting experience
RB who was a 4-star, No. 227 player in his class
WRs were No. 113 and 286 in their classes (Devin Smith the lower rated one)
TE who was the No. 78 prospect in his class, though he probably never played quite to that level
OL was Nos. 113, 82, 199, 114, 418
DL was 188, 324, 80, 231, backed up by 49, 19 and 5. (Some of those backups are freshmen Urbs brought in) 
LB was 106, 786/272, 24
DB was 650 (Roby), 140, 102, 157

So the starting lineup included 18 top-300 kids. To have such a 6-7 team. (The real tressel ball limitation would've been the QB, and Miller kind of solved that)
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 01, 2018, 02:49:00 PM
I mean even Hoke won 11 games in year one by running the Rich Rod offense.

Rich Rod tried the square peg/round hole thing and it was not quite this big of a mess, but it was close.
Look at RR’s sched that year though. Opened with 5 straight home games. Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State at home.  No Penn State, no Russell Wilson-led Wisconsin. Lost @ Sparty and Iowa.

The next year they go to Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State…lost all three. Opened with Alabama at JerryWorld instead of Western Michigan at home. Finished 8-5.

Better than 0-4 for sure, but still.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 03:11:32 PM
UFM inherited
QB rated No. 29 player in his class with starting experience
RB who was a 4-star, No. 227 player in his class
WRs were No. 113 and 286 in their classes (Devin Smith the lower rated one)
TE who was the No. 78 prospect in his class, though he probably never played quite to that level
OL was Nos. 113, 82, 199, 114, 418
DL was 188, 324, 80, 231, backed up by 49, 19 and 5. (Some of those backups are freshmen Urbs brought in)
LB was 106, 786/272, 24
DB was 650 (Roby), 140, 102, 157

So the starting lineup included 18 top-300 kids. To have such a 6-7 team. (The real tressel ball limitation would've been the QB, and Miller kind of solved that)
I'm no recruitnik, but those numbers don't look all that impressive. Guys in the 200s? There was only like 120-some odd teams. OSU had to start their FB at MLB for most of the season, and the Defense was horrendous.
And Hoke isn't exactly John Heisman. Sure the schedule might have set up well, but that's not the reason that he won 11 games. He won 11 games because he ran the Rich Rod offense while shoring up the defense. He probably didn't love running that offense, but you play the cards you're dealt. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 03:30:51 PM
Hoke made the same play as Bo Pelini did his first year.. He kept the legacy offense his first year to help with the transition.  But look what happened in year 2 when he hired the guy from Bama:  They have a lighter OL at this point, smaller DB's and fast/agile QB's on the roster.  8 wins, then 7 wins and then 5..  At this point he's fired and JH inherits multiple years of recruits that align with his system.  

Bo did the same when he came to UNL.. keeping the OC around for 2 years to help with the transition.  He obviously had more success, but he also had an extra year to get the adjustments in place.  

Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 01, 2018, 03:39:08 PM
Sure the schedule might have set up well, but that's not the reason that he won 11 games. He won 11 games because he ran the Rich Rod offense while shoring up the defense. He probably didn't love running that offense, but you play the cards you're dealt.
Its probably more tempting to deal with running somebody else's offense with it scored 426 points the year before, and returned an all-conference candidate at QB. None of that applies to Frost. 
That said, cutting Points Allowed by 232 from the year before is probably where I'd settle focus on Hoke's initial success, outside of schedule. And they switched from a 33 front to the 4-3 when Mattison came in, so we're not really matching pegs and holes there...they just got rid of Greg Robinson, as many football teams have.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 03:39:16 PM
Look at RR’s sched that year though. Opened with 5 straight home games. Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State at home.  No Penn State, no Russell Wilson-led Wisconsin. Lost @ Sparty and Iowa.

The next year they go to Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State…lost all three. Opened with Alabama at JerryWorld instead of Western Michigan at home. Finished 8-5.

Better than 0-4 for sure, but still.

RR went 3-9 that first year...  Carr went 11-2 the year before.  it took RR 3 years to have a winning record at Michigan.  And really, that 4th year, his system worked very well.    The change doesn't happen overnight.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 01, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
Brutus... While UNL has an OC, Frost is very involved and pretty much the decision maker.    Hoke was a defensive guy before a HC.  Just like BP was at UNL.. a defensive guy.   Keeping the current offensive system is easier in that scenario than when you are the signal caller or scheme designer.  

So while I agree Hoke did the smart thing that first year with denard still around, I'm not sure he does it if he's an ex-OC. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 01, 2018, 04:22:08 PM
I'm no recruitnik, but those numbers don't look all that impressive. Guys in the 200s? There was only like 120-some odd teams. OSU had to start their FB at MLB for most of the season, and the Defense was horrendous.
In the 200s for the entire recruiting class, not for their position. I think generally the top 300 is usually considered to be the "4*" cutoff, so basically he had a team full of 4* players with probably the occasional 5* sprinkled in.
There was talent.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 01, 2018, 04:49:23 PM
RR went 3-9 that first year...  Carr went 11-2 the year before.  it took RR 3 years to have a winning record at Michigan.  And really, that 4th year, his system worked very well.    The change doesn't happen overnight.
That was supposed to be Hoke, not RR. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 05:05:55 PM
Yeah that's kind of the point. You don't want to emulate RichRod. Had he kept Llloyd's offense intact he may have been able to prevent Ryan Mallet and Justin Boren from transferring, and probably would have made a Bowl game or two before switching over to his preferred offense. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 01, 2018, 05:16:38 PM
The great coaches can adapt their system to the players on the roster. UFM inherited a 6-7 Tressel ball team and won the next 24 games.
I think it is important to put this in perspective.  That 2011 Ohio State team lost seven games:

I've said it before, but IMHO the 6-7 2011 Buckeyes and the 12-0 2012 Buckeyes were not NEARLY as different as the records indicate.  The 2011 team was REALLY unlucky and the 2012 team was REALLY lucky.  
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 05:22:32 PM
I'm not suggesting that Nebraska would win ten games by playing the system that these guys were recruited for. But they might take a small step forward and flirt with a bowl game. Get those much needed extra practices. 

Instead we have a gigantic step backwards that will likely result in record setting futility.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 07:41:37 PM
the offense is good enough to win games although the O-line is bad.  Bigger and stronger will help.  Almost one year of strength training has helped but hasn't been enough.

Martinez, Spielman, Morgan, and Ozibo aren't heisman contenders, but they can play.  Could use a TE or two.

the defense and special teams are horrible and tough to watch.  Most of this is due to players that are either too undisciplined or too stupid to play football.  Penalties and missed assignments have crippled those units.

apparently the D-line is bad as well.  No pass rush.  Those D-linemen need to be bigger and stronger, but good technique should get a QB hurry or hit  a few times a game.  7 sacks vs Colorado, one sack vs Purdue? 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 07:42:40 PM
also, Purdue is a pretty solid team.  Especially on offense.

Corngrats to the Boilers for a good road win.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 07:48:59 PM
I'm no recruitnik, but those numbers don't look all that impressive. Guys in the 200s? There was only like 120-some odd teams. OSU had to start their FB at MLB for most of the season, and the Defense was horrendous.

What bwarbiany said

Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 02, 2018, 09:27:54 AM
I'm not suggesting that Nebraska would win ten games by playing the system that these guys were recruited for. But they might take a small step forward and flirt with a bowl game. Get those much needed extra practices.

Instead we have a gigantic step backwards that will likely result in record setting futility.
As entropy said, circumstances matter. Do you come into a job as the HC/OC with of one of the nation’s best offenses in your back pocket, and toss that all aside in favor of a clunky pro-style attack- that had done nothing but sputter for three years, and was short on personnel at key positions- on the hopes that you might make a bowl game? No.

In that instance you might retain the defensive system in place…but seeing as how it was one of the worst in the nation and everybody in the state hated the DC, there’s probably not a whole lot to gain there either.

It’s a shitty situation, but its one that required years of poor decision-making to get into and will take years of good decision-making to get out of. If we had a decent degree of latent talent at hand, like Hoke and Meyer did when they took over, it would go more quickly. But we don’t...this is, literally, a rebuild project.

If we're lucky, in 5-6 years Scott might be able to get us to where Wisconsin is now. Then if he sticks around for another ten years, maybe something special happens. Lots of ifs in there. 

Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 02, 2018, 10:21:43 AM
This UNL team does not have the talent to go to a bowl game in the old system.  There was hope that the new system would provide enough wrinkles they could muscle in... at least by me.   I really thought they could hit 6 wins.   (and I get the locals were saying 9-10 wins...  they're still under the delusion that more puking and more lifting = more wins.   They don't remember what talent and a productive culture look like..)

Frost will need to get in his athletic lineman who can move in space.  Yes, he gives up size at times, but this system needs guys who can pull and run.   The OL will get smaller in weight, but more athletic.   He also needs skill players to match the YAC he wants.. especially at TE. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 10:32:29 AM
Last year they got off to a 4-4 start before the wheels came off. Who exactly did they lose that would result in them having zero chance of being even competitive against FBS cometition? 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
didn't lose too much from last year...  a cornerback and a safety graduated.  Biggest loss may have been the left tackle that declared for the draft as a junior

Pierson-El would have helped as a WR and return man, but not much

the change in systems on both sides of the ball caused a learning curve.  Players with good athletic ability are missing assignments and out of position.

and last year was 4 wins over Arky St., Rutgers, Illinois, and a miracle gift from Purdue in the last seconds
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 11:49:30 AM
In the wake of another flag-marred defeat Saturday, coach Scott Frost said the Huskers "look like one of the most undisciplined teams in the country."

The numbers bear out just how true that is.

Penalties haven't discriminated by unit or quarter through four games. The offense has been whistled for 18 infractions (138 yards), ahead of the defense (13 for 152) and special teams (11 for 97). The third quarter (13 for 127) has been NU's most whistled, while its least has been the first period (eight for 75).

Add it up, and Nebraska is tied with South Alabama for the most penalty yards per game (96.8). The Huskers' 10.5 flags per game is 129th of 130 NCAA Division I programs. Those totals were inflated following the team's 11 penalties for 136 yards Saturday against Purdue.

There is no one main offender. A whopping 26 players have been flagged at least once this season, with center Cole Conrad (three for 25 yards) the clubhouse leader. Personal fouls — 12 total, with eight on defense and two apiece on offense and special teams — are easily the most pervasive mistake, ahead of offensive holding (seven flags) and delay of game (five).

Last season, Nebraska finished 99th in average penalty yards (60.7) and 78th in average penalties (6.3). Thirty-three different Huskers were penalized. The top infractions were offensive holding (15), false starts (13) and personal fouls (13).

Also worth noting: Frost's undefeated UCF team last year was one of the nation's most penalized. The Knights committed 8.4 penalties per game (127th nationally) for 68.3 yards (117th).
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 02, 2018, 11:50:16 AM
Where did "zero chance of being competitive against FBS competition" come from? That is silly hyperbole. 

Lets be clear: the wheels were never ON last season. Out of the gate, that team had to make a redzone stand in the waning seconds to beat  Arkansas State. Even if it were possible to make some terrible pre-Christmas bowl game by retaining a chunk of that regime, it wasn't worth it. We need to reboot, and be recruiting to the system we're rolling with.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 11:51:31 AM
Where did "zero chance of being competitive against FBS competition" come from? That is silly hyperbole.
have you met Brutus?
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 02, 2018, 11:54:30 AM
We have penalty issues for years...we were consistently one of the most-flagged programs in both the Big 12 and BIG since 2008. Its particularly bad right now, but we had a few seasons under Bo where we were close to 10 flags per game on the season...hopefully the staff can clean this up and bring the average down. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 12:06:35 PM
I get the optimism, and the desire to back your guy. But the Rich Rod comparisons seem apt. Both had a system that dominated a depleted Big East/AAC. Both refused to alter that system in order to fit the talent that they had on the roster. 

The Huskers beat Purdue last year. Got their butts kicked this year. (Speaking of Purdue, Brohm stepped into a much worse situation, with a lot more success.) Nebraska beat the Illini last year. Probably not gonna happen this year. 

These players didn't pick Frost. Frost picked them. Running a system where they have no chance of having even a halfway decent season is not fair to the seniors that stuck with the program through thick and thin, imo.

Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 02, 2018, 12:39:45 PM
Brutus...     You're basic assumption that the program would have success under the old system is flawed.   The program was not getting better with another year.  Plus, this years schedule is tougher as well.     So even if Frost decided to win for the seniors, getting back to 4 wins vs say 2... it doesn't matter.   Best to rip the band aid off in this scenario and start over.   It's not like they went bowling last year or had 11 wins.   The scenarios are very different. 



Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 02, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
UNL vs Purdue

Purdue:            2018   2017
Rushing Yards   188   199
Passing Yards    328   164
Total Yards         516  363
Ave Yd per Play  6.5   5.5
Penalty Yds       75     95
Turnovers         0      0

Nebraska:        2018    2017
Rushing Yards   259       40
Passing Yards   323       431
Total yards      582       471
Ave yd per play  7.6      6.1
Penalty yds        63      136
Turnovers         1         0


Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Entropy on October 02, 2018, 01:04:47 PM
so both teams increased their total yards by 65-70 year over year...  UNL outgained in both years in total and yards per play.   The difference is turnovers and penalties.   It would appear to me the stats back up the system change was not the difference in outcomes year over year. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2018, 01:13:12 PM
The main difference between Frost and RR is a matter of culture matching, not personnel. Both walked into bad situations. But only at Michigan was RR instantly disliked by the administration, boosters and press. That as much as anything wrote Rich's fate. It didn't determine the first year, but it did influence the things that came after: buy-in, recruiting, the "we stretched 20 too many minutes per week" scandal, and his accelerated firing. So I'd be wary of any comparison between them that extends after year 1.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
The Huskers beat Purdue last year. Got their butts kicked this year. (Speaking of Purdue, Brohm stepped into a much worse situation, with a lot more success.) Nebraska beat the Illini last year. Probably not gonna happen this year.

These players didn't pick Frost. Frost picked them. Running a system where they have no chance of having even a halfway decent season is not fair to the seniors that stuck with the program through thick and thin, imo.

The Huskers kicked their own butts last Saturday, weren't over matched by the Boilers.  I think there's a better than decent chance the Huskers beat Illinois.
the only obvious personnel issue with Frost's offensive system is the O-line.  The offense has done well except for a trip to the Big house.
Martinez, Spielman, Morgan, and Ozigbo had very nice games despite the O-line woes.  31 first downs and 582 total yards isn't the issue.
It's the special teams gaffs, the terrible defense, and the penalties. 
Hiring Riley wasn't fair to the Seniors.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 02, 2018, 02:32:06 PM
The comparison Brutus is trying to make isn't Frost 2018 RR; its to Hoke's first season, where he retained the skeleton of the RR offense, built around Denard Robinson.

Its a comparison that is flawed at its core, because it requires the assumption that retaining the offensive or defensive system of the predecessor provides some benefit as opposed to starting over. In neither case is that true for NU in 2018.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 02:41:02 PM

Hiring Riley wasn't fair to the Seniors.
No argument there.
They really raked the fans over the coals with that one. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 02, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
(Speaking of Purdue, Brohm stepped into a much worse situation, with a lot more success.)

Brohm did step into a bad situation. But he had a few key areas of strength:
1) Linebackers. For whatever sins Hazell had, he recruited some good LBs.
2) Running backs. We had plenty of talent, plenty of depth.
3) Tight ends. They became critical in the passing game as our WR corps was weak.
4) QBs. Blough/Sindelar are both very talented. 
What hurt us going from 2017->18 has been the graduation of the linebackers as well as a number of other defensive starters. So our defense faltered while our offense has started to look like a Brohm offense should.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 11:27:23 PM
The Huskers have suffered their first in-season roster departure of the 2018 season, with Tyjon Lindsey no longer on the team, an NU football spokesman confirmed on Tuesday night. He has requested and been granted his release.

The sophomore wide receiver's name disappeared from the official team roster on Tuesday. Coming four games into the season, the move could allow Lindsey to use the new redshirt rule to his benefit and transfer somewhere else while still maintaining three remaining years of eligibility.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 03, 2018, 05:12:16 AM
That's a ball kick but if it's happening now it is (just is) best for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: Hoss on October 03, 2018, 10:16:59 AM
Meh. I think he's a good kid, but he had more fumbled punts than touchdowns...which was 1 fumbled punt. He might find success in C-USA or the MWC. 
Title: Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
Post by: FearlessF on October 03, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
good kids come in with 4 stars attached and huge expectations, when things don't fall their way sometimes a change is for the best.

Gotta love the new redshirt rule.  Great for the kid in this situation.

I wish him well