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Topic: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2018, 01:41:06 PM »
FYI while I was being flippant about Frost eating crow, I would point out that this game was not actually particularly lopsided. The biggest killer for Nebraska was 11 penalties for 136 yards. Those penalties extended Purdue drives and stifled a few of their own drives, and without them this game is MUCH closer.

Looking at the play by play, I counted two specific penalties which extended Purdue drives on 3rd down where they wouldn't otherwise have converted, resulting in 10 Boilermaker points. That doesn't account for several of the other big penalties that occurred on 1st or 2nd down to move the chains as well. 

I think the outcome really came down to two issues: 

1) Penalties.
2) Nebraska couldn't generate defensive pressure.

In general, Nebraska played equal or slightly better statistically, but managed to shoot themselves in the foot at the worst times.

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2018, 01:47:41 PM »
The Nebraska fan base has annoyed me for over 10 yrs.   It's like sitting at a table of D's and R's listening to them defend or attack not based upon facts or a position, but which HC they supported.

It's been much easier watching from a distance these last few years.  

That said....   Frost can only adjust so much.   Meyer had guys who fit.  JH basically inherited a team that ran the same system (well, almost).   Frost suddenly can't redesign his system to fit big slow, but weak OL that were recruited to get in the way.  

What has been very discouraging has been the penalties.  So many dumb penalties.   They sustained 3 drives that resulted in 21 pts for Purdue.   Just frustrating..
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2018, 01:48:52 PM »
The penalties were crippling as noted.

Btw, you can ID a several  great coaches that came into a situation and year 1 is just as stinky or even worse then the old coach.  It's not dispositive of anything of course just the truth.   

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2018, 01:49:11 PM »
and UNL did the same vs CU.   That targeting penalty gave CU a first down instead of 4th and long.   just silly


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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2018, 01:57:28 PM »

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2018, 02:08:35 PM »
I mean even Hoke won 11 games in year one by running the Rich Rod offense.

Rich Rod tried the square peg/round hole thing and it was not quite this big of a mess, but it was close.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2018, 02:27:47 PM »
We will see how it end.... .  But who had more to work with?  RR or Frost?  Michigan came off an 11-2 season and RR went 3-9.   UNL won 4 games last year.  

UNL has a talent problem, regardless of system.  4 years ago, with Bo being fired, you lost a class in recruiting.   Riley seemed to do well on paper, but man... the team is missing athletes.   UCF had more to work with according to some of the strength coaches.  

so far, this has been brutal.  
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2018, 02:41:30 PM »
The great coaches can adapt their system to the players on the roster. UFM inherited a 6-7 Tressel ball team and won the next 24 games.

Were I a Nebraska fan, I'd find the square peg/round hole approach to be a tad concerning. He should at least be able to get as much out of this team as did Mike Riley.
UFM inherited 
QB rated No. 29 player in his class with starting experience
RB who was a 4-star, No. 227 player in his class
WRs were No. 113 and 286 in their classes (Devin Smith the lower rated one)
TE who was the No. 78 prospect in his class, though he probably never played quite to that level
OL was Nos. 113, 82, 199, 114, 418
DL was 188, 324, 80, 231, backed up by 49, 19 and 5. (Some of those backups are freshmen Urbs brought in) 
LB was 106, 786/272, 24
DB was 650 (Roby), 140, 102, 157

So the starting lineup included 18 top-300 kids. To have such a 6-7 team. (The real tressel ball limitation would've been the QB, and Miller kind of solved that)

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2018, 02:49:00 PM »
I mean even Hoke won 11 games in year one by running the Rich Rod offense.

Rich Rod tried the square peg/round hole thing and it was not quite this big of a mess, but it was close.
Look at RR’s sched that year though. Opened with 5 straight home games. Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State at home.  No Penn State, no Russell Wilson-led Wisconsin. Lost @ Sparty and Iowa.

The next year they go to Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State…lost all three. Opened with Alabama at JerryWorld instead of Western Michigan at home. Finished 8-5.

Better than 0-4 for sure, but still.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2018, 03:11:32 PM »
UFM inherited
QB rated No. 29 player in his class with starting experience
RB who was a 4-star, No. 227 player in his class
WRs were No. 113 and 286 in their classes (Devin Smith the lower rated one)
TE who was the No. 78 prospect in his class, though he probably never played quite to that level
OL was Nos. 113, 82, 199, 114, 418
DL was 188, 324, 80, 231, backed up by 49, 19 and 5. (Some of those backups are freshmen Urbs brought in)
LB was 106, 786/272, 24
DB was 650 (Roby), 140, 102, 157

So the starting lineup included 18 top-300 kids. To have such a 6-7 team. (The real tressel ball limitation would've been the QB, and Miller kind of solved that)
I'm no recruitnik, but those numbers don't look all that impressive. Guys in the 200s? There was only like 120-some odd teams. OSU had to start their FB at MLB for most of the season, and the Defense was horrendous.
And Hoke isn't exactly John Heisman. Sure the schedule might have set up well, but that's not the reason that he won 11 games. He won 11 games because he ran the Rich Rod offense while shoring up the defense. He probably didn't love running that offense, but you play the cards you're dealt. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2018, 03:30:51 PM »
Hoke made the same play as Bo Pelini did his first year.. He kept the legacy offense his first year to help with the transition.  But look what happened in year 2 when he hired the guy from Bama:  They have a lighter OL at this point, smaller DB's and fast/agile QB's on the roster.  8 wins, then 7 wins and then 5..  At this point he's fired and JH inherits multiple years of recruits that align with his system.  

Bo did the same when he came to UNL.. keeping the OC around for 2 years to help with the transition.  He obviously had more success, but he also had an extra year to get the adjustments in place.  


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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2018, 03:39:08 PM »
Sure the schedule might have set up well, but that's not the reason that he won 11 games. He won 11 games because he ran the Rich Rod offense while shoring up the defense. He probably didn't love running that offense, but you play the cards you're dealt.
Its probably more tempting to deal with running somebody else's offense with it scored 426 points the year before, and returned an all-conference candidate at QB. None of that applies to Frost. 
That said, cutting Points Allowed by 232 from the year before is probably where I'd settle focus on Hoke's initial success, outside of schedule. And they switched from a 33 front to the 4-3 when Mattison came in, so we're not really matching pegs and holes there...they just got rid of Greg Robinson, as many football teams have.

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2018, 03:39:16 PM »
Look at RR’s sched that year though. Opened with 5 straight home games. Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State at home.  No Penn State, no Russell Wilson-led Wisconsin. Lost @ Sparty and Iowa.

The next year they go to Notre Dame, Nebraska and Ohio State…lost all three. Opened with Alabama at JerryWorld instead of Western Michigan at home. Finished 8-5.

Better than 0-4 for sure, but still.

RR went 3-9 that first year...  Carr went 11-2 the year before.  it took RR 3 years to have a winning record at Michigan.  And really, that 4th year, his system worked very well.    The change doesn't happen overnight.
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