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Topic: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2018, 03:43:29 PM »
Brutus... While UNL has an OC, Frost is very involved and pretty much the decision maker.    Hoke was a defensive guy before a HC.  Just like BP was at UNL.. a defensive guy.   Keeping the current offensive system is easier in that scenario than when you are the signal caller or scheme designer.  

So while I agree Hoke did the smart thing that first year with denard still around, I'm not sure he does it if he's an ex-OC. 

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2018, 04:22:08 PM »
I'm no recruitnik, but those numbers don't look all that impressive. Guys in the 200s? There was only like 120-some odd teams. OSU had to start their FB at MLB for most of the season, and the Defense was horrendous.
In the 200s for the entire recruiting class, not for their position. I think generally the top 300 is usually considered to be the "4*" cutoff, so basically he had a team full of 4* players with probably the occasional 5* sprinkled in.
There was talent.

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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2018, 04:49:23 PM »
RR went 3-9 that first year...  Carr went 11-2 the year before.  it took RR 3 years to have a winning record at Michigan.  And really, that 4th year, his system worked very well.    The change doesn't happen overnight.
That was supposed to be Hoke, not RR. 

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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2018, 05:05:55 PM »
Yeah that's kind of the point. You don't want to emulate RichRod. Had he kept Llloyd's offense intact he may have been able to prevent Ryan Mallet and Justin Boren from transferring, and probably would have made a Bowl game or two before switching over to his preferred offense. 
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« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2018, 05:16:38 PM »
The great coaches can adapt their system to the players on the roster. UFM inherited a 6-7 Tressel ball team and won the next 24 games.
I think it is important to put this in perspective.  That 2011 Ohio State team lost seven games:
  • One in OT (PU)
  • One by a FG (MSU)
  • Two by six points (PSU, M)
  • Two by seven points (UNL, UF)
  • One by more than one score (Miami)

I've said it before, but IMHO the 6-7 2011 Buckeyes and the 12-0 2012 Buckeyes were not NEARLY as different as the records indicate.  The 2011 team was REALLY unlucky and the 2012 team was REALLY lucky.  

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« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2018, 05:22:32 PM »
I'm not suggesting that Nebraska would win ten games by playing the system that these guys were recruited for. But they might take a small step forward and flirt with a bowl game. Get those much needed extra practices. 

Instead we have a gigantic step backwards that will likely result in record setting futility.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2018, 07:41:37 PM »
the offense is good enough to win games although the O-line is bad.  Bigger and stronger will help.  Almost one year of strength training has helped but hasn't been enough.

Martinez, Spielman, Morgan, and Ozibo aren't heisman contenders, but they can play.  Could use a TE or two.

the defense and special teams are horrible and tough to watch.  Most of this is due to players that are either too undisciplined or too stupid to play football.  Penalties and missed assignments have crippled those units.

apparently the D-line is bad as well.  No pass rush.  Those D-linemen need to be bigger and stronger, but good technique should get a QB hurry or hit  a few times a game.  7 sacks vs Colorado, one sack vs Purdue? 
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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2018, 07:42:40 PM »
also, Purdue is a pretty solid team.  Especially on offense.

Corngrats to the Boilers for a good road win.
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2018, 07:48:59 PM »
I'm no recruitnik, but those numbers don't look all that impressive. Guys in the 200s? There was only like 120-some odd teams. OSU had to start their FB at MLB for most of the season, and the Defense was horrendous.

What bwarbiany said


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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2018, 09:27:54 AM »
I'm not suggesting that Nebraska would win ten games by playing the system that these guys were recruited for. But they might take a small step forward and flirt with a bowl game. Get those much needed extra practices.

Instead we have a gigantic step backwards that will likely result in record setting futility.
As entropy said, circumstances matter. Do you come into a job as the HC/OC with of one of the nation’s best offenses in your back pocket, and toss that all aside in favor of a clunky pro-style attack- that had done nothing but sputter for three years, and was short on personnel at key positions- on the hopes that you might make a bowl game? No.

In that instance you might retain the defensive system in place…but seeing as how it was one of the worst in the nation and everybody in the state hated the DC, there’s probably not a whole lot to gain there either.

It’s a shitty situation, but its one that required years of poor decision-making to get into and will take years of good decision-making to get out of. If we had a decent degree of latent talent at hand, like Hoke and Meyer did when they took over, it would go more quickly. But we don’t...this is, literally, a rebuild project.

If we're lucky, in 5-6 years Scott might be able to get us to where Wisconsin is now. Then if he sticks around for another ten years, maybe something special happens. Lots of ifs in there. 


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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2018, 10:21:43 AM »
This UNL team does not have the talent to go to a bowl game in the old system.  There was hope that the new system would provide enough wrinkles they could muscle in... at least by me.   I really thought they could hit 6 wins.   (and I get the locals were saying 9-10 wins...  they're still under the delusion that more puking and more lifting = more wins.   They don't remember what talent and a productive culture look like..)

Frost will need to get in his athletic lineman who can move in space.  Yes, he gives up size at times, but this system needs guys who can pull and run.   The OL will get smaller in weight, but more athletic.   He also needs skill players to match the YAC he wants.. especially at TE. 

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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2018, 10:32:29 AM »
Last year they got off to a 4-4 start before the wheels came off. Who exactly did they lose that would result in them having zero chance of being even competitive against FBS cometition? 
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2018, 11:30:07 AM »
didn't lose too much from last year...  a cornerback and a safety graduated.  Biggest loss may have been the left tackle that declared for the draft as a junior

Pierson-El would have helped as a WR and return man, but not much

the change in systems on both sides of the ball caused a learning curve.  Players with good athletic ability are missing assignments and out of position.

and last year was 4 wins over Arky St., Rutgers, Illinois, and a miracle gift from Purdue in the last seconds
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Re: Purdue (1-1, 2-3) at Nebraska (0-2, 0-4) Post Game
« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2018, 11:49:30 AM »
In the wake of another flag-marred defeat Saturday, coach Scott Frost said the Huskers "look like one of the most undisciplined teams in the country."

The numbers bear out just how true that is.

Penalties haven't discriminated by unit or quarter through four games. The offense has been whistled for 18 infractions (138 yards), ahead of the defense (13 for 152) and special teams (11 for 97). The third quarter (13 for 127) has been NU's most whistled, while its least has been the first period (eight for 75).

Add it up, and Nebraska is tied with South Alabama for the most penalty yards per game (96.8). The Huskers' 10.5 flags per game is 129th of 130 NCAA Division I programs. Those totals were inflated following the team's 11 penalties for 136 yards Saturday against Purdue.

There is no one main offender. A whopping 26 players have been flagged at least once this season, with center Cole Conrad (three for 25 yards) the clubhouse leader. Personal fouls — 12 total, with eight on defense and two apiece on offense and special teams — are easily the most pervasive mistake, ahead of offensive holding (seven flags) and delay of game (five).

Last season, Nebraska finished 99th in average penalty yards (60.7) and 78th in average penalties (6.3). Thirty-three different Huskers were penalized. The top infractions were offensive holding (15), false starts (13) and personal fouls (13).

Also worth noting: Frost's undefeated UCF team last year was one of the nation's most penalized. The Knights committed 8.4 penalties per game (127th nationally) for 68.3 yards (117th).
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