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CWSooner

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2019, 05:01:59 PM »
I'm afraid if LSU loses to UGA in Atlanta, the Tigers will still get in, ahead of the XII and PAC champions.
That's probably what would happen.
The CFB universe would be rooting for LSU in that game.
Perhaps for the first and last time.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2019, 06:39:33 PM »
Not the entire CFB universe.  

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2019, 06:52:21 PM »
I honestly don’t think most CFB fans would care too much if 2 SEC teams made the field, as long as neither of the teams are Bama.

The Alabama fatigue is real, especially due to the multiple mulligans they’ve received over the past decade.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2019, 07:01:53 PM »
Could it be possible that the masses have Bama fatigue because the Tide took advantage of those mulligans, thus cancelling the opportunity for everyone to feel affirmed? 
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2019, 07:22:05 PM »
It’s a distinct possibility, for right or wrong.

For the record I don’t think Oklahoma State would have beaten LSU in 2011, and in 2017 Ohio State (a 2 loss champ at that) would not have beaten Georgia or Clemson, and already failed to beat Oklahoma at home early in the season. 

But that’s the limitation of a four team playoff.  Someone is going to get left out and the last spot or two have proven to be controversial selections quite often.

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2019, 07:28:00 PM »
Not the entire CFB universe.
You're right, CD.
Certainly not Dawg Nation.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2019, 07:45:09 PM »
And this is what we've been told is the committee's goal....yet there would still be an outcry. 
The outcry would be because you have to make a lot of assumptions to put a one loss non conference champion in over a one loss conference champ, or worse, multiple one loss CCG teams. The evidence of that team being one of the best is then purely speculative opinion.  

Winning a CCG is factual, and the committee claims it has significant value.     Otherwise, why play them...it just represents risk to a team that is in contention.  

The subjective route route doesn’t bother me as much as the charade that is played that pretends it’s not.   In the end, they just utilize their opinions to pick the four, and spin it how they choose.  
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2019, 07:47:20 PM »
the committee claims it has significant value

this is the problem
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2019, 10:29:34 PM »
For Notre Dame:

-Utah loses a regular season game.
-USC wins out and beats Oregon in the Pac 12 CCG.
-Ohio St wins out and beats UW in the CCG.
-Penn St loses its last two.
-Clemson loses to South Carolina and VT in the CCG.
-UGA loses to GT and LSU in the CCG.
-Baylor loses its last two but beats OU in the Big XII CCG.

Wisconsin’s scenario was half way plausible.  This one seems too “out there.”
You lost me at Penn State losing to Rutgers. 

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2019, 12:00:45 AM »
The outcry would be because you have to make a lot of assumptions to put a one loss non conference champion in over a one loss conference champ, or worse, multiple one loss CCG teams. The evidence of that team being one of the best is then purely speculative opinion. 

Winning a CCG is factual, and the committee claims it has significant value.    Otherwise, why play them $$$...it just represents risk to a team that is in contention. 

The subjective route route doesn’t bother me as much as the charade that is played that pretends it’s not.  In the end, they just utilize their opinions to pick the four, and spin it how they choose. 
Ehh, winning a conference can be a simple confluence of a good team having good fortune.  Look at Iowa this year.  They're a good team, sure.  But who did they draw from the East?  By luck of the draw, they have top 15 Michigan and top 10 Penn St.  Dammit.  Since Minnesota hasn't played Wisconsin yet, the argument could be made Iowa is the best team in the West.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but they could split Wisconsin and Minnesota, but wind up 3rd.  Ditto Michigan in the East - drawing Wisconsin and Iowa.  

If conference schedules were balanced, it would be a much bigger trump card for me.  But as diverse as same-conference, same-division schedules are with these huge conferences, I just don't give it all that much credence.  
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2019, 12:02:09 AM »
You lost me at Penn State losing to Rutgers.
UGA losing to GT would be just as nuts.  Year 1 post-option has been dreadful for the Jackets.
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2019, 04:10:39 AM »
Ehh, winning a conference can be a simple confluence of a good team having good fortune.  Look at Iowa this year.  They're a good team, sure.  But who did they draw from the East?  By luck of the draw, they have top 15 Michigan and top 10 Penn St.  Dammit.  Since Minnesota hasn't played Wisconsin yet, the argument could be made Iowa is the best team in the West.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but they could split Wisconsin and Minnesota, but wind up 3rd.  Ditto Michigan in the East - drawing Wisconsin and Iowa. 

If conference schedules were balanced, it would be a much bigger trump card for me.  But as diverse as same-conference, same-division schedules are with these huge conferences, I just don't give it all that much credence. 
I think the committee agrees with you.   Not necessarily a bad set of thoughts.   But they should just say that.  Oregon beating Utah in early December, after only having lost a game against a good Auburn team in game one, after leading the entire game - to me that says they are in top form and played well all year.  LSU, losing to Georgia in Early December, says to me they are not.   That should mean plenty. But if it doesn’t, that’s ok.....let’s just say so.   Why risk it if you have already concluded who should be in before those games are played.   
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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2019, 06:18:49 AM »
What's the worst team that can still get in if chaos ensues?
I know what you are looking for here, and that is correct:

It is not Michigan!

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Re: Probable Playoff Teams
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2019, 07:00:18 AM »
Ehh, winning a conference can be a simple confluence of a good team having good fortune.  Look at Iowa this year.  They're a good team, sure.  But who did they draw from the East?  By luck of the draw, they have top 15 Michigan and top 10 Penn St.  Dammit.  Since Minnesota hasn't played Wisconsin yet, the argument could be made Iowa is the best team in the West.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but they could split Wisconsin and Minnesota, but wind up 3rd.  Ditto Michigan in the East - drawing Wisconsin and Iowa. 

If conference schedules were balanced, it would be a much bigger trump card for me.  But as diverse as same-conference, same-division schedules are with these huge conferences, I just don't give it all that much credence. 
I largely agree with this.  Theoretically, a team can go undefeated in a round robin in its own division and yet not win the division.  That’s not ideal.

 

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