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Cincydawg · « **Reply #154 on:** November 21, 2018, 07:03:32 AM »

Now, in self driving cars we have a very objective metric by which we can assess the validity of the various sensors and algorithms. That's why they are being tested now, with humans as backups.

We'll get there, perhaps sooner than many expect, especially on freeways. The Cadillac CT6 system is already there on freeways.

But in that car if the driver takes his eyes off the road for any period of time, the system alerts and starts to cancel itself.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #155 on:** November 21, 2018, 07:06:50 AM »

Given however many people choose to make polls here, perhaps 20, probably less, we see that the polls differ, usually they vary more as you get lower in the rankings. Part of that is that humans are less concerned about who is ranked 25th, or 20th, than the top 5 or so. Part of it is difference of opinion, some is difference in knowledge. We're more familiar with teams in our conference, teams we just watched, recent history, etc. Is any one of us right and others less right?

If one of us spent three hours on this, are they apt to be more right than I who spends 5 minutes? Perhaps, perhaps not. We'll never know. That's why preseason I'm more interested in who appears to be most over ranked and under ranked. I had Miami in the latter and Florida in the former, decent guesses on my part. But, really just guesses.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #156 on:** November 21, 2018, 07:26:11 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 20, 2018, 11:57:02 PM

btw, the committee having Florida at 11 is nuts. Florida is nowhere near the 11th-best team in the country.

I think you’re falling victim to a certain fallicy. You’re imagining the 11th-best team in the country has to be a certain thing, a certain level of quality. And it doesn’t. It just has to be better than the batch of teams from 10-20 or so. And Florida might be because it’s a jumbled middle.
They’re 18in S&P, 21 in FEI becuase the Idaho game turned FCS, 15 in Massey, They’re lower in SRS and sagarin, 21 and 24 respectively. They’ve got one loss that makes sense, one against a team that’s good by the old measures, one that’s good by the new ones (Mizzou). In terms of wins, there’s one very good one (LSU) and one pretty good one (the numbers love MSU).
Since we’re not being lazy, let’s work it out. If UF isn’t close to 11, that means they’d be at best No. 18, probably in the 20s. Who is your list of better teams?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #157 on:** November 21, 2018, 07:28:11 AM »

As noted, once "we" get past about 10th, the remaining teams all have significant flaws on their record.

Kris60 · « **Reply #158 on:** November 21, 2018, 10:31:50 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on November 21, 2018, 07:00:52 AM

Which team below Florida is better?

A lot of teams LOOK over ranked until you check the alternatives who look no better.

We all have opinions. Computer algorithms are just complex human opinions, in general, adjusted by humans over time to make them appear to be "more reasonable", which means, more like human polls. I bet with time one could perfect an algorithm that would mimic the AP poll 90% or better.

And what would that accomplish?

And of course in football, you have the inherent problem of lack of syllogism.

I have Florida #16 in my rankings. Not that my opinion is the standard but I’m with OAM that of all the teams in the top 25 Florida is probably more over valued than any other team, imo.
I have WVU, Texas, Penn St, Washington, and Kentucky all ranked ahead of the Gators. Kentucky, with the same record, a head to head win, more wins over teams with winning records, and as many ranked wins being four spots below UF seems especially baffling to me.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #159 on:** November 21, 2018, 12:06:49 PM »

Solid logic. I don't disagree. UF and UK played Georgia about the same in my opinion.

FearlessF · « **Reply #160 on:** November 21, 2018, 12:42:31 PM »

Quote from: Kris60 on November 21, 2018, 10:31:50 AM

I have Florida #16 in my rankings. Not that my opinion is the standard but I’m with OAM that of all the teams in the top 25 Florida is probably more over valued than any other team, imo.

some would blame SEC bias

Cincydawg · « **Reply #161 on:** November 21, 2018, 12:43:46 PM »

The most obvious explanation would be helmet. That may not be the right explanation, but given the analysis above, it seems very plausible.

One might hope the committee looked deeper into things and didn't let helmet be too much of a factor, but perhaps they don't.

FearlessF · « **Reply #162 on:** November 21, 2018, 12:59:44 PM »

well, you can look deeply and then decide its very close and then use SEC or helmet bias to provide the tie breaker when other things are equal

they know, like we do, that no one ever really knows what team is better

Kris60 · « **Reply #163 on:** November 21, 2018, 01:02:02 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on November 21, 2018, 12:42:31 PM

some would blame SEC bias

I have no idea. Maybe. I don’t get too worked up if I rank a team in a particular slot and someone else ranks them a couple of spots differently. Most of the time I can see the logic of it even I don’t necessarily agree. But I have found where they have put Florida especially curious this year. But I also think they are over valuing LSU so I guess they are over valuing Florida’s win over them.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #164 on:** November 21, 2018, 01:06:52 PM »

If we're talking about UF being ranked ahead of UK, it could be helmet, but not SEC bias.

https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings

These four "polls" are pretty much the same anyway. The three quasi human polls have UF at 13 and the Committee at 11.

Eh.

FearlessF · « **Reply #165 on:** November 21, 2018, 01:54:39 PM »

yup, there's more good thought and logic behind these polls than Orangeman would like to believe

besides, they are simply polls - just subjective opinions

nothing to get too riled up about

Cincydawg · « **Reply #166 on:** November 21, 2018, 02:05:47 PM »

Obviously, "we here" tend to look into such matters most closely than most fans.

bamajoe · « **Reply #167 on:** November 21, 2018, 02:21:54 PM »

I am sorry but the current Kentucky team that just got hammered by Tennessee could not hold a candle to the Kentucky team of two months ago and having Florida above them in the standings is completely justified. Sometimes teams run out of steam. That is what happened to Kentucky.

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