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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2017, 10:57:07 AM »
I find it a bit interesting that the CFP committee releases preliminary "polls" (or rankings).  It obviously is fodder for discussion, fine, but the BBall folks don't do this obviously.  They COULD wait until all the data are in to release anything.

They did last year for the first time.  They released a top 16 in like mid-February.  I'd expect them to expand it this year since it gets people talking.
The weirder part to me isn't that they release pre-rankings, but that they release a top 25.  I don't get the purpose of that.  It would be like if the NCAA Basketball committee didn't just release a partial mock bracket beforehand, but they decided to go ahead and rank a top 200 teams.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2017, 11:25:20 AM »
UNC probably is a pair with UVA, just as OU is a pair with Oklahoma State, one won't go without the other, and the UNC/UVA pair think they run the ACC historically.  League expansions always surprise me so I can't predict what might happen obviously.

Imagine ND worked a "deal  deal" with the ACC where their games against say Stanford/USC/Navy "count" as ACC games, and if they are 7-1 or 8-0, they can play in the ACC CG if the other contender is 6-2 or lower, etc.  In return, the ACC gets some more dough, s slice of the NBC TV pie.

I don't think that is likely, but it is vaguely possible if ND wants access to a CG.

And that COULD in some years make the ACC CG rather more exciting, and perhaps even sell tickets.  It never seems to sell out.  Imagine this year having Clemson-ND for example.  Sold out.  I kinda like it.

I wish I had ponied up for ND-UGA tickets (now) but that $700 on SH was a bit of a bite.  I took the wife out to dinner instead.  A few times.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2017, 11:28:46 AM »
UNC probably is a pair with UVA, just as OU is a pair with Oklahoma State, one won't go without the other, and the UNC/UVA pair think they run the ACC historically.  League expansions always surprise me so I can't predict what might happen obviously.

Imagine ND worked a "deal  deal" with the ACC where their games against say Stanford/USC/Navy "count" as ACC games, and if they are 7-1 or 8-0, they can play in the ACC CG if the other contender is 6-2 or lower, etc.  In return, the ACC gets some more dough, s slice of the NBC TV pie.

I don't think that is likely, but it is vaguely possible if ND wants access to a CG.

And that COULD in some years make the ACC CG rather more exciting, and perhaps even sell tickets.  It never seems to sell out.  Imagine this year having Clemson-ND for example.  Sold out.  I kinda like it.

I wish I had ponied up for ND-UGA tickets (now) but that $700 on SH was a bit of a bite.  I took the wife out to dinner instead.  A few times.
Are ticket sales a problem for the ACC?

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« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2017, 12:09:16 PM »
HA! More expansion talk!

1) When Missouri begged for entrance, B1G was looking for 1 team only, and when the slam dunk Huskers came along Mizzo got regulated to bridesmaid.  Missouri showed their hand, felt they needed to make a move, and felt very fortunate to land in the SEC (thinking the B12 was gonna implode.)  

I think Missouri will make the decision that is best for them, I don't think they would actively campaign to leave the SEC like they did the B12. But if an offer is there from the B1G it would merit strong strong conversation.

Athletically, B1G is tops again in revenue (B1G 41-50 million depending on source, SEC is 34-40 million depending on source, so even best estimates for SEC and worse for B1G; the B1G still has a slight advantage.) and Nebraska and Illinois offer better rivals than anything they are getting in the SEC now.

Academically, B1G is head and shoulders above any other conference in Graduate Research, Missouri as an AAU member have shown graduate research is very important to them.

Logistically, Missouri would be the easiest to move. No long standing rivals, and no loss of media rights.


2) Now for Notre Dame, IF and only IF an 11-1 ND gets passed over for a 12-1 conference champ would the Domers discuss increasing conference participation (not join just increase.) I would guess ND would compromise a 6th game to the ACC with the huge caveat that if they have the same or less losses and a higher CFP ranking than one of the other participants in the ACC title game they would replace that lower ranked team. ACC title game suddenly just got a lot more interesting. ND would have the chance to have a marquee win at the end of the season, ACC would reduce the chance of having a lame duck champion, there would be a lot of hype.


3) Virginia Tech and Nebraska find themselves in a similar boat. AAU with the stroke of a pen declared Agriculture research to not be "competitive research" and didn't count towards AAU status. In the same year they also declared that research held "off site" would not count. UNL was including the medical research held at UN of Omaha as part of their total research portfolio. In one year, the 2 biggest forms of Academic research Nebraska did was not longer counted towards AAU membership, they lost membership and declared they are not interested in being part of the "prestigious group" any more. Along comes Va Tech, they applied to AAU and requested to have their medical research facility in Roanoke included. If it's incuded I think Nebraska has a legitimate complaint, if it's not included Virginia Tech is probably not granted acceptance. I think Big Ten Big Wigs are watching this closely on 2 fronts, they would love to have Nebraska back in the fold, and if Tech gets accepted they become a much more palatable candidate for expansion. I also believe that Va Tech, is the lowest hanging fruit in the ACC, and alot easier to get than say Delany's alma mater North Carolina would be.  
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« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2017, 12:40:38 PM »
I think Missouri will make the decision that is best for them, I don't think they would actively campaign to leave the SEC like they did the B12. But if an offer is there from the B1G it would merit strong strong conversation.


 and Nebraska and Illinois offer better rivals than anything they are getting in the SEC now.

 
#1 - slam dunk, wouldn't even be a conversation
#2 - don't forget that Iowa would also make a great rival for Mizzou
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #89 on: November 04, 2017, 09:51:57 PM »
Well, wiscy is the BIGs only chance now. 

Maybe the BIG overall will win some bowl games with it looking unlikely anyone is slated too high right now. 

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #90 on: November 04, 2017, 09:55:46 PM »
About the time "we" think we have it figured out, upsets happen and turn it upside down.

A 13-0 Wisconsin would be in the playoff, but that could be the only team.

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« Reply #91 on: November 04, 2017, 11:17:19 PM »
#1 - slam dunk, wouldn't even be a conversation
#2 - don't forget that Iowa would also make a great rival for Mizzou
Is there anything historical between Iowa and Missouri? Of course one would think border states in the same conference would develop a rivalry, but not sure it would be immediate. Nebraska and Illinois would Instant.
While in the B12, Kansas was Mizzo's biggest rival, but not sure that can be restored.

SEC has manufactured Arkansas, and South Carolina as their rivals. Having trouble buying the second one.
I think Nebraska was their 2nd biggest rival, and Illinois has been playing them in basketball for almost 40 years. It makes a lot of sense ot me if we are adding 2 teams that the Tigers get a call.

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« Reply #92 on: November 04, 2017, 11:24:15 PM »
About the time "we" think we have it figured out, upsets happen and turn it upside down.

A 13-0 Wisconsin would be in the playoff, but that could be the only team.
That's why undefeated is undefeated.  Even if you lack impressive wins, and even if we may not buy it, there is something to going 13 games without tripping up.

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« Reply #93 on: November 04, 2017, 11:28:46 PM »
About the time "we" think we have it figured out, upsets happen and turn it upside down.

A 13-0 Wisconsin would be in the playoff, but that could be the only team.
I almost want to say Go Big Red, but I would rather have OSU in the next 4 games, and have the B1G miss out on the playoffs. 

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« Reply #94 on: November 05, 2017, 12:22:36 AM »
UNC probably is a pair with UVA, just as OU is a pair with Oklahoma State, one won't go without the other, and the UNC/UVA pair think they run the ACC historically.  League expansions always surprise me so I can't predict what might happen obviously.

Imagine ND worked a "deal  deal" with the ACC where their games against say Stanford/USC/Navy "count" as ACC games, and if they are 7-1 or 8-0, they can play in the ACC CG if the other contender is 6-2 or lower, etc.  In return, the ACC gets some more dough, s slice of the NBC TV pie.

I don't think that is likely, but it is vaguely possible if ND wants access to a CG.

And that COULD in some years make the ACC CG rather more exciting, and perhaps even sell tickets.  It never seems to sell out.  Imagine this year having Clemson-ND for example.  Sold out.  I kinda like it.

I wish I had ponied up for ND-UGA tickets (now) but that $700 on SH was a bit of a bite.  I took the wife out to dinner instead.  A few times.
I don't think that OU is necessarily tied to Oklahoma State.  I think that if Oklahoma State stands to find a home in a power conference in the next round of realignment, then OU has a relatively free hand.  Many Sooner fans want to see OU in the SEC.  I don't.  I think I join the President of the University of Oklahoma in hoping that our future home is in the Big Ten, for academic reasons more than anything else.  The Sooner fans who want to see us in the SEC counter that if OU were to end up in the Big Ten, Oklahoma State might wind up in the SEC, and then use the cachet of being in the greatest conference in the history of the universe to become the dominant football program in the state.

My response to that is to ask how could anyone think that Oklahoma State could compete in the SEC.  Heck, they only managed to score 52 points on us today.
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« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2017, 06:18:06 AM »
I don't think that OU is necessarily tied to Oklahoma State.  I think that if Oklahoma State stands to find a home in a power conference in the next round of realignment, then OU has a relatively free hand.  Many Sooner fans want to see OU in the SEC.  I don't.  I think I join the President of the University of Oklahoma in hoping that our future home is in the Big Ten, for academic reasons more than anything else.  The Sooner fans who want to see us in the SEC counter that if OU were to end up in the Big Ten, Oklahoma State might wind up in the SEC, and then use the cachet of being in the greatest conference in the history of the universe to become the dominant football program in the state.

My response to that is to ask how could anyone think that Oklahoma State could compete in the SEC.  Heck, they only managed to score 52 points on us today.
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If we have to see another round of expansion...

As for OU in the Big Ten, I'd be all for it for a lot of reasons, not the least of which would be the renewal of a yearly game with the Huskers to end the season. That would be incredible.

Would OU want to bring Texas with?
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #96 on: November 05, 2017, 07:11:30 AM »
If Wisconsin wins out they’re in the playoffs. 
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« Reply #97 on: November 05, 2017, 07:31:51 AM »
I don't believe that and here is why:

They need a lot of help, being #9 right now and not likely to get above 8 this week. Miami will probably pass them this week.

If Bama and Georgia win out until the Dr. Pepper SEC championship and the game is close, they both get in before UW. The winner of the ACC is going to get in before UW. If ND wins out they will get in before UW. TCU or OU gets in before UW if they win out.

The PAC is probably out right now because they only real chance for them is Washington, and they still play at Stanford and at WSU. The should beat Utah.

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