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Topic: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2017, 08:46:44 PM »
No worries one of the Big Red's will thrash 'em.Get Coach Frost off on the right foot
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2017, 09:07:02 PM »
pretty sure the fish eaters would wind up in the east with their buddies, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and the Hoosiers

the west would be forced to take Iowa State, Mizzou, Kansas, or the Sooners
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2017, 09:18:37 PM »
pretty sure the fish eaters would wind up in the east with their buddies, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and the Hoosiers

the west would be forced to take Iowa State, Mizzou, Kansas, or the Sooners
Careful about saying Mizzou to the B1G west, that seems to ruffle feathers. (I think they would be an apt addition.)

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2017, 09:23:28 PM »
well, Mizzou would love it
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2017, 12:12:59 AM »
Announced CFP championship sites through 2024, including Indy in 2022

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #75 on: November 03, 2017, 07:18:18 AM »
Mizzou still seems like an outsider to me, but then, so does South Carolina.

I'm not as young as I used to be.


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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #76 on: November 03, 2017, 07:31:41 AM »
I find it a bit interesting that the CFP committee releases preliminary "polls" (or rankings).  It obviously is fodder for discussion, fine, but the BBall folks don't do this obviously.  They COULD wait until all the data are in to release anything.

"We" enjoy dissecting all their decisions and flip this team and that, but this first poll, or second or third, doesn't mean a whole lot beyond shedding a tiny bit of light on how they think (which can change with time).

I think 5 of the 12 previous top fours in this ranking finally made it, not even half obviously, so being in it is a potential distraction unless your team can handle it and no guarantee of anything at all, you still have to win.  The two top undefeated teams have a margin of error, one noncritical loss, if they win the CG.

But if the ranking had Clemson and Ohio State flipped in order, it really wouldn't matter.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2017, 08:04:33 AM »
I say let the Gold Helmet in ensuring them an ass beating.Thus having to join a conference - works for me
I do not think it would do that.  If they get in, without being in a conference, then they have no reason to join a conference.  What would give them a reason to join a conference is if they went 11-1 but got passed on CCG weekend by a couple of teams that won CCG to finish 12-1.  THAT would make it obvious to them that they needed to be in a conference.  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2017, 08:08:59 AM »
What are the possibilities that Notre Dame negotiates some kind of deal with the ACC to be included in their CG event under some circumstances without being in the conference?

They already are quasi-members in football.  That would be weird.  Money talks.

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2017, 08:20:50 AM »
pretty sure the fish eaters would wind up in the east with their buddies, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and the Hoosiers

the west would be forced to take Iowa State, Mizzou, Kansas, or the Sooners
Careful about saying Mizzou to the B1G west, that seems to ruffle feathers. (I think they would be an apt addition.)
ISU is never going to get a B1G invite.  The conference is really a TV network masquerading as a conference and they want to expand viewership.  Iowa State is from a small-population State and they aren't even the main team in that state.  

Kansas is more likely because at least they are #1 in their state but Kansas has a very small population (2.9M, 35th state).  

The Sooners are more likely because Oklahoma has a larger population (3.9M, 28th state) and because OU is an obviously much bigger brand than Kansas.  

Mizzou seems to make sense.  Missouri is adjacent to three current B1G states (IL, IA, NE) and has a much larger population then Kansas/Oklahoma/Iowa (6.1M, 18th state).  The thing that makes Mizzou seem unlikely is that they practically begged for an invite before they joined the SEC and the current B1G leadership completely ignored them.  

I still think that the Conference would rather expand East.  If they had any interest in expanding to the West then it would seem that Mizzou would have been invited when they begged for it a few years ago.  I still think it will be UNC and one of the VA schools (UVA or VaTech) but I could see them taking ND instead of UNC.  

Ultimately, I don't think ND makes any sense.  They have a certain brand/draw football wise but they don't "own" any media markets the way that most of our schools do.  Additionally, I do not think that ND has the academics to help the B1G's academic arm.  Now, any ND fans reading this will be astounded by that statement or perhaps think that I am nuts but hear me out:

Notre Dame is a great undergraduate school but the BIG money in academics (bigger than the sports/TV money even) isn't in being a good undergrad school.  The B1G money in academics is in graduate programs and research.  As an undergraduate school, Notre Dame would be one of the best in the B1G.  As a graduate/research institution Notre Dame would be dead last by a significant margin in the B1G.  I don't mean this to pick on ND, that just isn't their focus.  If the B1G wants to improve graduate/research academics (and they do) there is absolutely no contest between ND and any of the following:  UVA, VaTech, UNC, or even OU or Mizzou.  
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2017, 08:32:05 AM »
What are the possibilities that Notre Dame negotiates some kind of deal with the ACC to be included in their CG event under some circumstances without being in the conference?

They already are quasi-members in football.  That would be weird.  Money talks.
Currently the ACC plays eight conference games.  Notre Dame plays five ACC schools this year:
  • @BC
  • @UNC
  • vNCST
  • vWake
  • @Miami
Last year they played five:
  • vDook
  • vCuse
  • @NCST
  • vMiami
  • vVaTech
Next year they play five:
  • @Wake
  • @VaTech
  • vPitt
  • vFSU
  • vCuse
I'm pretty sure that part of their deal with the ACC is that they have to play five.  Maybe the ACC would allow them to be a "member" while only playing six or seven?  That seems to me to be the most likely possibility.  I'm not sure how it would work though because it would screw up some other teams schedules as well.  

Also, I'm not sure that ND would like that anyway because in that scenario a 1-loss ND would ALWAYS lose to a 1-loss anybody else because 7-1>6-1>5-1 (like Ohio State's loss to Michigan in 1982 despite both teams having one loss and Ohio State winning the H2H - because Michigan played nine games and went 8-1 while Ohio State played eight and went 7-1 and 8-1>7-1).  

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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2017, 10:36:52 AM »
No, I think they would but Notre Dame and Oklahoma in the West an move Purdue to the East.  This would make the two divisions more competitive. 
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2017, 10:44:55 AM »
So, if UNC was invited along with ND, ND would obviously be a west team!
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Re: Playoffs! Did someone say Playoffs?
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2017, 10:45:39 AM »
No, I think they would but Notre Dame and Oklahoma in the West an move Purdue to the East.  This would make the two divisions more competitive.
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