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Topic: Peach Bowl: #10 Florida 41, #7 Michigan 15

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2018, 06:06:56 PM »
On offense? 

I think Michigan is still rising on this side of the ball. The difference between 2017 and 2018 remains a massive improvement. That we're now a Top 25 S&P+ defense is hard to believe. And it's happened where it had to. At OL, WR and QB. You can thank Warriner, McElwain and Patterson for that. 

Especially at OL, despite the gains, there's still room to grow. And I bet they leap again under Warinner with these practices.

My main question for this Another Florida game (and for the future since they return almost everyone on offense) is about identity and stubbornness.

My theory is that, when Harbaugh arrived, we passed (and did so creatively) out of necessity despite that not being the long term plan, and eventually the coaches picked to favor the long term "Push Their Face In" plan. 
Of course, we all prefer the old plan. Because it seemed more well suited to punching above one's weight class. And that (Michigan's offense is not in the Heavyweight class) is essential in big games.
Never was this more obvious than versus OSU this year. That defense's back half is very flawed and TCU, UNL, Indiana, Purdue, and UMd all put as much on film. But Harbaugh clearly planned to win with identity rather than by exploiting any of those flaws. So we forced it against the strength of their defense. 
We scored plenty. Enough that you'd predict (with a normal D showing) we'd have won in Columbus. But it was still weak, underwhelming. Because had Harbaugh chose to ignore his offense's identity and instead match up versus OSU's weaknesses, Michigan had enough talent and OSU enough holes for another 3 TDs. But M never tested that idea. The approach wasn't to even try those pressure points.
Of course - With that showing from Don Brown, it'd have likely still come in a loss. But one closer to that 59-56 travesty of a game between OU/WVU.
What does this mean against Florida? I honestly don't know their defense enough to have a worthwhile opinion. But I don't expect Michigan to exceed 40 as they did after 2015, with the creative passing attack.
What does it mean for the future? That it's time for Harbaugh to stop play calling if he won't embrace more of his 2015-offense. If that is in the works, we'll know because Peo Hamilton will move on.

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2018, 07:47:25 PM »
Gary not playing

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2018, 07:54:20 PM »
More than Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin? Yeah, maybe.

Probably not more than Wisconsin, seeing as they are your fixed crossover for this six-year cycle. 
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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2018, 09:12:10 PM »
Probably not more than Wisconsin, seeing as they are your fixed crossover for this six-year cycle.
It was an embellishment, but being precise about it is also crazy: 
After this one, Michigan will have played UF 4 times since 2008 and UW only 6.

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2018, 09:14:56 PM »
Gary not playing
I still haven't come to terms with this. 
The brains of the matter is that this is a violent game and participating in any non-CFP bowl is probably a terrible decision for a rising draft choice. We all saw that happen to Jake Butt. Tragic. And yet the heart of the matter is that being on a team involves (not on paper but in spirit) a full commitment season by season. And this fails that.
In other words, I'm on his side, don't blame him but also don't like it.
Then again, I wrote that for a generic case. This one, I might feel even more on his side, since he's been playing all year with that serious shoulder injury.
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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2018, 09:36:26 PM »
Michigan should win easily.  
But you never know how the NFLers-to-be will play.  Gary is even sitting it out?  Hmmph.  
I'm not exactly pumped about this.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2018, 09:39:07 PM »
Between bowl selection and merit venturing ever farther apart aside the NY6, guys sitting out, and the new redshirting rule meaning we will see a bunch of random freshmen, it's getting harder and harder to care.

I used to love bowl games, and always defended them, but it's getting harder.  The freshman rule is good...for your team.  If MSU gives true freshman QB Theo Day a series, I'll be interested.  If Oregon throws a freshman QB in there, I'll care as much as a Lions preseason game.

Confidence pools used to help hold interest, but it's hard to pick games when you don't know who is playing anymore, or now, how the coaches will play it.  Will they play to win, or play to get some freshmen some experience going into next year


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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2018, 09:48:31 PM »
Gary not playing
Shocking. Not.
Don’t know if he played all season. Seriously. Kid mailed it in all damn year. Announced he was going pro 15 mins after the OSU beatdown. A game in which he never showed up to play. Chase Winovich was banged up and still tried to give it his all. Can’t remember a #1 overall recruit disappointing so much. Said it before. I wouldn’t touch Gary with a 1st round pick if I was an NFL team. He’s talented but his heart/motor isn’t there. Not sure he loves football. He just happened to be freakishly big and athletic.
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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2018, 09:49:57 PM »
Don't be surprised to see FR Emory Jones at QB a lot.  Getting him reps against a real, live defense.  He may be the guy next year.  
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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 09:52:01 PM »
Shocking. Not.
Don’t know if he played all season. Can’t remember a #1 overall recruit disappointing so much.
Eh, he certainly didn't live up to the hype, but the #1 recruit the year before, Trenton Thompson just went undrafted last year.

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2018, 09:52:51 PM »
Don't be surprised to see FR Emory Jones at QB a lot.  Getting him reps against a real, live defense.  He may be the guy next year.  
So excited for the college version of the NFL Preseason.

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2018, 09:56:26 PM »
More than the opponent, I was hoping UF would play in the Fiesta.  I live like 3 miles from that stadium.  Oh well.  No interest in LSU vs UCF...there will be plenty of tickets available.


Didn't Wisconsin and Miami play in a bowl last year or the year before?  FFS
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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2018, 09:57:00 PM »
Eh, he certainly didn't live up to the hype, but the #1 recruit the year before, Trenton Thompson just went undrafted last year.
Trenton Thompson wasn’t as talented as Rashan or as highly coveted.
Rashan won The Opening MVP DL award as a sophomore in high school. To this day I think he’s still the only kid that was invited there 3 years in a row. He also won the Under Armour Bowl game MVP and lot of guys who covered it said he’s the best DL they’d ever seen. 247 ranks recruits all-time. Rashan is tied with Clowney for #1 in their rating system. Rashan is also the first and only recruit to be a unanimous #1 overall on all 4 of the internet ranking services- Rivals, 247, Scout, and ESPN.
He didn’t come close to living to the hype. Part of it was he was a rotational player on a loaded defensive line as a true freshman. He had a very solid sophomore season and looked prime for a breakout junior season. But his season this year was just flat out bad.

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Re: Peach Bowl: #7 Michigan (10-2) vs. #10 Florida (9-3)
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2018, 10:35:12 PM »
In other words, I'm on his side, don't blame him but also don't like it.
The Networks/corporate advertising/sport media created this monster and keeps extending the season.With this many teams/games and why risk it.IMO CFB will be brought to heel by 2 things players sitting it out and fans not filling the stands.Too many of the Network wonks and media rubes getting comped admission,travel expenses,room accomodations.Yet they expect fans to pay exorbitant amounts week after week following the team into an extended season.Newsflash it's not hoops where you can squeeze 3-4 games into a week if need be.Didn't Jake Butt insure himself before the Bowl game he got hurt in?
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