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FearlessF

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #5978 on: January 12, 2026, 08:49:18 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Hundreds Killed in Hajj Stampede (2006)
About one in four people in the world is Muslim, a demographic that includes more than a billion people. Each Muslim is required to visit Mecca, the Saudi Arabian city of Mohammed's birth, at least once in their lifetime. During the annual pilgrimage, or Hajj, Mecca bears an influx of millions of people. In 2006, during the final day of the requisite Stoning of the Devil ritual, some 350 people were crushed to death in the crowd.
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« Reply #5979 on: January 12, 2026, 06:16:11 PM »
Just heard on the News that the makers of Barbie are going to be more inclusive with the new autistic Barbie doll. If you're a kid playing with dolls would you think of vascilating back in forth between a doll with a disability and one that doesn't? Is there a string on the back of the doll that is pulled and it says something? This would seem more like work than play :017:
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« Reply #5980 on: January 13, 2026, 08:15:01 AM »
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Survivor of British Retreat from Kabul Reaches Jalalabad (1842)
During the First Anglo-Afghan War, a group of 4,500 British soldiers and 12,000 British civilians left Kabul for Jalalabad. Beset by murderous bands, their numbers quickly dwindled. A few were captured alive and later released, but army surgeon William Brydon was the sole person to escape the final ambush by Afghan tribesman and reach the British camp at Jalalabad that day. Part of Brydon's skull had been sheared off by a sword,
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« Reply #5981 on: January 13, 2026, 11:57:00 AM »
I hope I'm not being too contrarian by pointing this out, but I love the "beset by murderous bands" characterization of local residents protecting their homeland from European colonialists. I am the product of European colonialism, and I know we can't undo history, and some of the results of colonialism were, no doubt, positive. I like to think that I'm not a terrible blight on the world. But without knowing anything about Britain's incursions into Afghanistan, it would not surprise me to learn that these "murderous bands" were what I said above: merely local residents defending themselves from European invaders.

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« Reply #5982 on: January 13, 2026, 11:18:47 PM »
similar to native Americans
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« Reply #5983 on: January 14, 2026, 10:49:24 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

Huygens Probe Lands on Titan (2005)
It took the Cassini-Huygens spacecraft more than six years to reach Saturn. During the trip, the Huygens probe remained dormant, preserving its battery life for a landing on Saturn's largest moon. The only moon in the solar system known to have clouds and a dense atmosphere, Titan resembles Earth in many ways. It was not known whether the probe would land on solid ground or in an ocean. 
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« Reply #5984 on: January 14, 2026, 10:57:46 AM »
That's really cool.  I either never knew, or don't remember, that a probe had successfully landed on Titan.

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« Reply #5985 on: January 14, 2026, 12:12:40 PM »
similar to native Americans
Except that very few native populations successfully defended against colonialism. The Maori sort of did in New Zealand--better than most--and, I suspect there is a good argument that the Afghans did, too. Not sure that was a good outcome for Afghanistan moving forward into the modern age.

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« Reply #5986 on: January 14, 2026, 12:42:50 PM »
Except that very few native populations successfully defended against colonialism. The Maori sort of did in New Zealand--better than most--and, I suspect there is a good argument that the Afghans did, too. Not sure that was a good outcome for Afghanistan moving forward into the modern age.
This ties into something you said here:
some of the results of colonialism were, no doubt, positive.
If you look at this list of countries by GDP Per Capita, all of the following former British colonies are wealthier than the UK today:
  • Bermuda
  • United States
  • Cayman Islands
  • Hong Kong
  • Malta
  • Australia
  • Canada
A lot depends on what empire colonized a given area.  The British set up functional governments and economic systems and left places such as the above in pretty good shape.  That wasn't true of all empires, obviously.  Former Spanish and French colonies are not nearly so well off today.  


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« Reply #5987 on: January 14, 2026, 01:22:01 PM »
You left off Singapore and Hong Kong. :-)

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« Reply #5988 on: January 14, 2026, 01:43:19 PM »
Also, while there are many successful former British colonies, the average GDP for former British colonies is lower than the worldwide average, so it's more complicated than did the Brits colonize them. I'm sure it would be impossible to dive into this without a lot of time, and the willingness to take on politics--neither of which are available to me right now, but the difference in modern GDP between countries like Egypt and Jordan on the one hand, and Qatar and Kuwait on the other can probably be explained by oil wealth. But what about Israel, which has a GDP more like the latter, without the oil wealth? Similarly, the differences between Trinidad and Tobago, the Bahamas, and Barbados on the one hand, and Jamaica, Belize, and Guyana (or just a comparison of all of the former British colonies in the Caribbean) would be pretty interesting to see what went right and what went wrong that there is such a difference between them.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #5989 on: January 14, 2026, 01:55:08 PM »
That's really cool.  I either never knew, or don't remember, that a probe had successfully landed on Titan.
For some reason, the Huygens probe never received much attention from the press.  It was on the Cassini Saturn probe, and the Cassini probe orbited for many years and there were a lot of stories written about it, but few about the probe.  You can find pictures from Titan that are from the probe.  
I've always thought it was cool that the Russians landed several probes on Venus and there are pictures from the surface of Venus out there that aren't highly publicized either.  Nothing like what we see on Mars.  

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« Reply #5990 on: January 14, 2026, 02:48:50 PM »
You left off Singapore and Hong Kong. :-)
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I missed Singapore but I did include Hong Kong.  

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« Reply #5991 on: January 15, 2026, 08:04:39 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Otho Begins His 3-Month Reign as Roman Emperor (69 CE)
Otho and Roman Emperor Nero were once friends. Then, Otho's wife became Nero's mistress, and Nero dispatched Otho to the remote province of Lusitania. After patiently governing the province for a decade, Otho joined a revolt against the emperor in 68 CE. Nero committed suicide, and Otho took over. However, a rival soon challenged him for the throne. Just three months into his reign, Otho killed himself, presumably to avoid a civil war in his empire.
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