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jgvol

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #616 on: April 09, 2025, 12:26:13 PM »
I'll just add --- Irving is my favorite character, so I hope he returns.

Turturro is always great.

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« Reply #617 on: April 09, 2025, 12:33:08 PM »
I think I'll always remember him as the "very sneaky, sir" butler from Mr. Deeds.  

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« Reply #618 on: April 09, 2025, 01:26:39 PM »

b)  I don't think they would've introduced as much as they did about oIrving if they didn't intend on continuing the thread.  His character doesn't make a lot of sense if his story ends here and I have enough faith in the writers to think he'll be back.  Plus, I haven't heard anything about Turturro leaving the show.  But you're right, his last scenes in s2e9 could be taken to mean he's just riding off into the sunset and the way it played out, I don't fault anyone for wondering about it.

I agree with all that. Just aside from the storyline, John is more of a movie star than TV star, he didn't participate in the behind the scenes interviews that I can remember and didn't participate in promotional activities for S2 that I'm aware of. I'm just wondering how long he can commit to this project full time.

c)  I think Cobel said during the planning phase that Gemma's floor wouldn't affect oMark.  Only the regular severance floor will produce iMark.  What seems plausible to me is that most severed people are binary.....oPerson and iPerson, and that's what the birthing cabins are built for as well.  Gemma is a special case.  They're testing a lot of stuff on her which includes rooms that produce a multitude of different iGemma's, so the technology controlling her rooms can't be binary.  Thus, her floor may operate differently and so it would make sense that it doesn't affect Mark's chip the same way. 

Yes, there is one iMark and multiple iGemmas, but that's not my issue. The question is whether severance is activated on a per environment basis or everywhere a severance environment exists?

All the innies are activated on the severed floor AND the outdoor experience. We learned through Helena that Glasgow Block exists, allowing her to bypass severance activation in severance environments (S floor + outdoor experience). This block is controlled remotely, presumably via the control / security room.

Devon first mentioned taking oMark to the birthing cabin to Reghabi, who said, "that's not how it works." But it did work. Why?

I don't remember Cobel saying Mark wouldn't be affected on the testing floor, but if she did, that means either iMark is activated selectively (S floor, outdoor experience, birthing cabin, NOT testing floor rooms) or the Glasgow block was activated on him ONLY for the testing floor. Either one of these scenarios would require remote programming / override from the control room, which Cobel does not have access to at the time. So it's not plausible.

The only plausible explanation is that iMark is activated at BOTH the birthing cabin and Cold Harbor, or at neither, because he would not have been programmed for either ahead of time.

EDIT: I glossed over this:
"They're testing a lot of stuff on her which includes rooms that produce a multitude of different iGemma's, so the technology controlling her rooms can't be binary.  Thus, her floor may operate differently and so it would make sense that it doesn't affect Mark's chip the same way."

I guess I can understand that line of thought, but it requires testing floor rooms to be programmed completely differently than all other severance environments. Certainly possible. I guess we don't know enough about how / why multiple iGemmas are generated.

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EDIT:  I like your naming convention of iName and oName.  Clever, useful, simple, and I'm stealing it, as you can see.

This is straight from reddit. I can't take credit for it!

What do you think about the numbers MDR groups and files?  I've heard some theories that Lumon has the ability to alter perception, and the numbers are just how the innies perceive something much more complicated.  As in, maybe they're really seeing pictures of memories, or something like that.  They're clearly either memories or emotions, but we don't yet know why they appear to be groups of numbers, or exactly how it builds the severed personalities, or like you said, why they're good at it and other MDR groups haven't been.  iMark said in s1 when he was training Helly that some of the numbers may make her feel uncomfortable or even afraid.  Some people have theorized that while they only consciously see numbers, they may actually be looking at horrific memories, or something like that.

I only watched the last few episodes once, but I believe it's explained that numbers are emotions and they're boxed into the four tempers. We learn that Mark is working on building new versions of consciousness for Gemma, and it's important that he's working on her. But what are the other MDR's working on? Not their own outties, not loved ones that we're aware of. So building a random consciousness to be used in the future?

Along this thread, were both Gemma and Mark targeted by Lumon or is Gemma the priority? Why were they / she selected? Bloodwork? Psychological profile? Responding to recruiting material? Again, it's unclear how the rest of MDR aligns with the work Mark and Gemma are doing.
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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #619 on: April 09, 2025, 02:18:23 PM »
Personally I think the MDR is akin to the “glowing case” from Pulp Fiction. 

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« Reply #620 on: April 09, 2025, 03:10:10 PM »
I only watched the last few episodes once, but I believe it's explained that numbers are emotions and they're boxed into the four tempers.

Right, but I'm still not sure how that works.  How are a person's emotions mapped into a computer file, and why do the innies (and us) see them as numbers?  They have to stare at the numbers until they feel something.....how exactly are emotions being translated to numbers, and why?

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« Reply #621 on: April 09, 2025, 03:37:01 PM »
Right, but I'm still not sure how that works.  How are a person's emotions mapped into a computer file, and why do the innies (and us) see them as numbers?  They have to stare at the numbers until they feel something.....how exactly are emotions being translated to numbers, and why?
Yeah, that's clear as mud.

I assume the numbers are encryption, but what exactly is encrypted? Specific memories, hypothetical situations, general emotions? And if Lumon has the ability to map an emotion or memory into a file, why do they need humans to modify it? Is there another department building the file and MDR customizing it?

One could assume Mark is building a consciousness for iGemma that has stripped out both the positive and negative emotions of Cold Harbor's subject material. But iMark has no memory of that, oMark does. So, arguably, iMark would be no more efficient at building Cold Harbor than Dylan or Irving. The only reason of importance would be that they're possibly testing the efficacy of severance on Mark and Gemma at the same time, but that testing already occurred with Ms. Casey.

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« Reply #622 on: April 09, 2025, 04:10:20 PM »
Yeah, that's clear as mud.

I assume the numbers are encryption, but what exactly is encrypted? Specific memories, hypothetical situations, general emotions? And if Lumon has the ability to map an emotion or memory into a file, why do they need humans to modify it? Is there another department building the file and MDR customizing it?

One could assume Mark is building a consciousness for iGemma that has stripped out both the positive and negative emotions of Cold Harbor's subject material. But iMark has no memory of that, oMark does. So, arguably, iMark would be no more efficient at building Cold Harbor than Dylan or Irving. The only reason of importance would be that they're possibly testing the efficacy of severance on Mark and Gemma at the same time, but that testing already occurred with Ms. Casey.

Yeah, that's what gets me.  And wouldn't anybody be able to strip out emotions if they have access to her memories?  Not clear why it has to be Mark.  

Also, how are the encrypted memories/emotions interpreted?  Suppose memories are translated to numbers.  1)  How does MDR spot them such that they can be classified and grouped off?  2)  Why do it in the first place?  Their memories are severed.  Hypothetically, they could show iMark Gemma's terrible memories and he wouldn't recognize them or care.....he doesn't know her.  Unless it's because they're much more child-like than normal adults, and it's not psychologically safe to show them bad images/memories.  

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« Reply #623 on: April 13, 2025, 08:39:58 AM »


Steven Spielberg hadn’t even finished casting "1941" when he scribbled one name next to the part of Captain Wild Bill Kelso: John Belushi. It wasn’t a suggestion, it was a declaration. Belushi had just blown Hollywood open with "National Lampoon’s Animal House", and Spielberg, fresh off the success of "Jaws" and "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", wanted to harness that same volcanic energy. Producer Ned Tanen was initially skeptical. Belushi had never carried a film with such massive physical comedy demands, and he was juggling his chaotic schedule on "Saturday Night Live". But Spielberg insisted. “He’s the only man who can fly a plane and blow up a city block and still make it funny,” he told his team.

The first time Spielberg met Belushi about the role, the actor showed up wearing mirrored aviators, chomping a cigar, and pretending to shoot imaginary Zero fighters in the sky. He hadn’t even read the script. “I already am Kelso,” he told Spielberg. That one line sealed it. The next week, the studio signed him, and Belushi began prepping for the most unhinged role of his short but blazing career.

His arrival on set was no less theatrical. Belushi came barreling down the Warner Bros. lot riding a motorbike, in full flight jacket and goggles, screaming “INCOMING!” at the grips and camera operators. He was method without realizing it, existing in a constant state of Wild Bill Kelso. Spielberg quickly realized there was no need to rehearse Belushi in the traditional sense. Instead, he let him riff, wander, yell, crash through props, and come up with entire monologues that weren’t in the script.

One night, Belushi snuck onto the lot after hours and painted “JAPS KEEP OUT” on a fake submarine as a joke. The next morning, the crew found him asleep inside it. Spielberg laughed so hard he nearly called off that day's shoot, later telling a friend, “Belushi doesn’t act like Kelso. He is Kelso.” What wasn’t as funny to the production crew was Belushi’s unpredictable work schedule. Filming had to be coordinated with his grueling "SNL" tapings, and some nights he arrived straight from New York, bleary-eyed and twitching with caffeine. Still, once the cameras rolled, he was unstoppable.

His scenes in the film, whether crash-landing into buildings or accidentally destroying a service station, were mostly choreographed chaos. But the intensity came from Belushi’s physical commitment. He threw himself into walls. He climbed onto moving vehicles. He chewed through cigars like they were oxygen. In one take, he misjudged a rooftop landing and nearly fell two stories. When asked if he wanted to redo the scene with a stuntman, Belushi wiped the blood from his elbow and said, “You’ll never get that panic from a double.”

Spielberg allowed him more freedom than any other actor on set. That meant some days ran longer and wilder, but it also meant lightning in a bottle. Aykroyd later said, “We were all following the script. Belushi was setting fire to it.” Critics were divided about "1941", but even the harshest reviews praised Belushi’s mania. The New York Times described him as “an airborne wrecking ball with the soul of a vaudeville clown.”

Belushi said in an interview that he approached the character like “a guy who’s watched too many war movies and believes he’s in one.” He wasn’t trying to play a hero. He was trying to play a delusion. “That’s what makes Kelso funny. He’s dangerous because he believes everything he’s doing is for the flag. And the country’s more at risk because of him.”

Every frame he appeared in seemed moments away from explosion, both literally and comically. Spielberg later called Belushi’s performance “a controlled disaster. And that’s exactly what I wanted.” Belushi turned a side character into the loudest, wildest, and most unforgettable presence in the entire film.
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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #624 on: April 14, 2025, 05:19:36 AM »
I looked for movies on planes lately and found ... zilch to watch.  My wife was interested in Conclave, I think it's called, and we watched it on the boat.  It was "OK" I thought.

We rewatched Casablanca once too.

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« Reply #625 on: April 14, 2025, 09:36:29 AM »
@utee94 I think we're done talking about Severance.  Feel free to resume adding the appropriate amount of Longhorn arrogance to the thread :)

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« Reply #626 on: April 14, 2025, 09:38:51 AM »
We finished watching Presumed Innocent on Apple over the weekend, w/Jake Gyllenhal, Peter Saarsgard and Ruth Negga. 

I thought it was very good, although it's one of those stories where the main character is not particularly likable or sympathetic.  The real standout, though, was Ruth Negga.  I've seen her in Marvel's Agents of SHIELD and Preacher, but this is the best job by her I've seen by far.  

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« Reply #627 on: April 14, 2025, 10:03:31 AM »
We ended up watching Back In Action. Basic premise: two spies (Cameron Diaz & Jamie Foxx) are sleeping together and just before their final mission Diaz realizes she's pregnant. The mission goes awry so they both decide to simply "disappear" together and quit the business. Well, 15 years later their past catches up to them (and their two kids) and they have to go, well, back into action to get through it. 

Overall it's a dumb, cartoony spy violence, hackneyed plot, throwaway movie. But it was kind of funny and goofy and worth the 2 hours spent watching it on Netflix. 


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« Reply #628 on: April 14, 2025, 10:46:10 AM »
@utee94 I think we're done talking about Severance.  Feel free to resume adding the appropriate amount of Longhorn arrogance to the thread :)
Thanks.

We finished S1 over the weekend.  It's gotten interesting.

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« Reply #629 on: April 14, 2025, 12:04:08 PM »
Finished "Defending Jacob" on Apple last week.

Back from 2020  --- I was unaware of it's existence, but the wife came across it.

Pretty good.  It definitely leaves you with some questions, and WTF's.

 

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