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Gigem

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« Reply #560 on: March 24, 2025, 04:08:39 PM »
I absolutely loved Breaking Bad.  I didn't even start watching until like S4 or such.  Bryan Cranston's character was well done, in my opinion, and I loved how the family dynamics changed along the way.  I think the single best part about the show is how the last 2-3 episodes ended, where he basically ditched his whole "reasons why" and just went full on evil, but really you still know he held some back.  I agree that some of the holes in the plot got pretty thin, but overall the characters and directing were well done.  I really enjoy everything that Vince Gilligan does, including the BB Movie (El Camino) and some other stuff.  

I enjoyed Saul a lot as well, but I didn't really enjoy the ending and I thought it was kinda klunky at times.  That said, Bob Odenkirk is one of my favorite actors now.  I really enjoyed the film "Nobody", and I heard there was a sequel in the works.  

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« Reply #561 on: March 24, 2025, 04:15:46 PM »
You can't disagree with how I feel about something.  I said, I liked the first season, but I've simply lost interest in Season 2.  And I've already watched like 3-4 episodes.  I almost think I need to go back and re-watch S1, because either I don't remember enough of it that S2 isn't making sense, or it's just not well written. 
I might just go ahead and re-watch S1, and then give S2 another shot.  I've found that my attention is not up to snuff to go more than 3-4 months between seasons anymore and remember any given detail. 
Yeah I've stopped watching many shows just due to the 1-2 year gap from season to season that now seems to be the norm.

Back when a season was 26-32 episodes and ran from September to May with only a few-month break, it was a lot less work to stay engaged.  But now, unless it's something I REALLY like and am willing to binge prior seasons to catch up, I'm probably just going to stop watching if the layoff is more than 3-5 months.  Which is just about everything, these days. 

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Re: OT - TV shows and Movies
« Reply #562 on: March 24, 2025, 05:29:39 PM »
Yeah I've stopped watching many shows just due to the 1-2 year gap from season to season that now seems to be the norm.

Back when a season was 26-32 episodes and ran from September to May with only a few-month break, it was a lot less work to stay engaged.  But now, unless it's something I REALLY like and am willing to binge prior seasons to catch up, I'm probably just going to stop watching if the layoff is more than 3-5 months.  Which is just about everything, these days.

That's why I write my own synopses of seasons of shows I like.  I write a couple pages detailing the characters and what's going on with them, then read it quickly before firing up another season.  Works well, does take some effort.  

One of the good things about the "prestige" shows of the last 20ish years which have between 8 and 13 episodes is they are way better if a binge happens.  Those old network shows that had 22-26 eps per season were the tv version of what the music industry did to albums.....fill of worthless filler and crap episodes.  It's harder to notice when you watch one per week, but if you go through a bunch of them at a time, it's glaring.  

A few of them made it work every single week.  Most didn't.  Off the top of my head, Person of Interest had full network seasons but managed to make almost all the episodes really good.  (There were some definite filler eps in s1, though.)

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« Reply #563 on: March 24, 2025, 05:35:12 PM »
You can't disagree with how I feel about something.  I said, I liked the first season, but I've simply lost interest in Season 2.  And I've already watched like 3-4 episodes.  I almost think I need to go back and re-watch S1, because either I don't remember enough of it that S2 isn't making sense, or it's just not well written. 
I might just go ahead and re-watch S1, and then give S2 another shot.  I've found that my attention is not up to snuff to go more than 3-4 months between seasons anymore and remember any given detail. 

I don't know what else I could disagree with.

I can't disagree with facts about something, only your opinions of it.  

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« Reply #564 on: March 24, 2025, 05:53:15 PM »
That's why I write my own synopses of seasons of shows I like.  I write a couple pages detailing the characters and what's going on with them, then read it quickly before firing up another season.  Works well, does take some effort. 

One of the good things about the "prestige" shows of the last 20ish years which have between 8 and 13 episodes is they are way better if a binge happens.  Those old network shows that had 22-26 eps per season were the tv version of what the music industry did to albums.....fill of worthless filler and crap episodes.  It's harder to notice when you watch one per week, but if you go through a bunch of them at a time, it's glaring. 

A few of them made it work every single week.  Most didn't.  Off the top of my head, Person of Interest had full network seasons but managed to make almost all the episodes really good.  (There were some definite filler eps in s1, though.)
Yeah writing a synopsis is way more effort than I'm going to put into watching television.

And I think there are plenty of "old-style" shows that had great episodes week after week.  Star Trek The Next Generation comes to mind as an old 26-episode-per-year-and-3-month-break style of show that was not only consistent in quality of writing, direction, scripts, and acting, but also featured extremely detailed and high-budget SFX for its time.  X-Files is another that comes to mind.

Sure, those are examples of very high-quality shows and not all of them were like that, but then again, I'd say a majority of short-season huge-waiting-gap 6-to-10-episode shows being produced by the content providers like Netflix and Prime, aren't particularly good, either.  So the modern short-season-long-gap type shows haven't isolated and distilled some previously unattainable recipe for success, either.  There is good and bad, just as before.

The main difference is that previously I could remember the show, with only a 3-month gap.  Now, when I have to wait 12-24 months, I often lose interest and move along.

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« Reply #565 on: March 24, 2025, 06:59:21 PM »
Uhh…what kind of dork do you have to be to write yourself a book report on a tv show…for yourself ?  lol, I find that really funny. 🤣

You got a lot of time on your hands bud ! 

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I write a couple pages detailing the characters and what's going on with them, then read it quickly before firing up another season.  Works well, does take some effort.  

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« Reply #566 on: March 25, 2025, 10:37:44 AM »
Uhh…what kind of dork do you have to be to write yourself a book report on a tv show…for yourself ?  lol, I find that really funny. 🤣

You got a lot of time on your hands bud !

The kind of dork who doesn't remember tv shows very well.  I remember books in pretty good detail, but tv shows and movies.....just don't stick with me, even when I really enjoy them.  Not sure why.  

Yes, I had a lot of time on my hands in the 2010's.  

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« Reply #567 on: March 25, 2025, 10:53:45 AM »
Yeah writing a synopsis is way more effort than I'm going to put into watching television.

And I think there are plenty of "old-style" shows that had great episodes week after week.  Star Trek The Next Generation comes to mind as an old 26-episode-per-year-and-3-month-break style of show that was not only consistent in quality of writing, direction, scripts, and acting, but also featured extremely detailed and high-budget SFX for its time.  X-Files is another that comes to mind.

Sure, those are examples of very high-quality shows and not all of them were like that, but then again, I'd say a majority of short-season huge-waiting-gap 6-to-10-episode shows being produced by the content providers like Netflix and Prime, aren't particularly good, either.  So the modern short-season-long-gap type shows haven't isolated and distilled some previously unattainable recipe for success, either.  There is good and bad, just as before.

The main difference is that previously I could remember the show, with only a 3-month gap.  Now, when I have to wait 12-24 months, I often lose interest and move along.

Well, I'm obviously only talking about the shows we'd consider "good" or else there's no point in discussion what impact the format has, because nobody cares and nobody's watching it.  Good point about ST:TNG, and it raises a new point about the more prevalent overall story arcs in today's shows vs. the "episode-of-the-week" of shows like TNG back in that era.  Many non-sitcoms now have abandoned the episode of the week style and lean into a connected, larger narrative.  If you missed an episode of TNG, it didn't matter.  If you miss an episode of Stranger Things, it matters.  That old format opened the door for some cool excursions into oddball ideas to explore without getting outside the show's ethos.  It's harder to do that now, when every show is supposed to be following a central story.  

So those long-form shows now that follow a central story are ones that get stuck with slow episodes, or filler.  A show like TNG didn't really have filler, by definition, since there was no main story to cling to.  However, ST:DS9 moved into the long-narrative-arc format, and had the usual network 22ish seasons, and while there was definite filler episodes, it managed to make them interesting nevertheless.  (I know a lot of fans didn't like the darker, less Roddenberry vision of the future that DS9 introduced, but while they have a point, it was still a great show imo.)  

I don't mind a tight, 8-episode story, and while it sucks to wait so long for another season, that is not a strike against the actual quality of the show.  I also don't mind a 22-episode season, if it's great.  As you point out, there have been those shows.  But it's not incompatible with saying they tend to have more filler.  

I tend not to lose interest in long gaps with good shows, but I certainly understand the frustration of not remembering as much as you want to by the time it comes around.  There's a reason I had to do my own reviews to jog my memory o.O!  My recurring viewership tends to operate more on what I think about the show than the gaps between episodes.  If I don't watch Stranger Things again, it's because I haven't really enjoyed it since s2, not because it's been gone for a few years.  

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« Reply #568 on: March 25, 2025, 10:59:14 AM »
The kind of dork who doesn't remember tv shows very well.  I remember books in pretty good detail, but tv shows and movies.....just don't stick with me, even when I really enjoy them.  Not sure why. 

Yes, I had a lot of time on my hands in the 2010's. 
I'm wondering if George RR Martin will ever release another of the GoT books. If he does, I'll be hard pressed to remember who everyone is, and I read the books in ~2019, 8 years after the last book in the series was released. 

I definitely understand the need to create a synopsis of a series if you know the layoff between seasons is going to be long. I felt that way after we watched the end of the first half of the last season of Yellowstone. There was almost a year gap between the halves of the season. My wife and I both went into the 2nd half of that season thinking "wait, what exactly happened at the end of last season?"

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« Reply #569 on: March 25, 2025, 10:59:30 AM »
I'm in the middle of Silo s2, and I'm kind of just watching out of morbid fascination now.  Just to see how a show with such a cool premise which had such a banger of a first episode can get so mid.

At this point they killed all the best characters, and the dialog-writing and much of the acting is not that great. 

We cut on Apple TV to get the new Severance season, so I figured I watch Silo while we've got it, but it is increasingly disappointing. 

Man, what a great first episode it had.  And what a bait-and-switch it was.  Though I've been told that does follow the books....the first characters don't wind up being the main characters.  

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« Reply #570 on: March 25, 2025, 11:13:14 AM »
I sorta kind of like Silo S2, but I binge watched the seasons b2b. My main issue with S2 is just how dark everything is. Not the story, the lighting. Every scene is dark and dismal. 

It only stays roughly true to the books. IMO, and I just read all 3 books, the first book is good, the 2nd and 3rd seemed kinda lazy. Lazy in that I didn’t find the premise believable. The underlying story was interesting, but the mechanics were clunky. 

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« Reply #571 on: March 25, 2025, 11:24:55 AM »
It only stays roughly true to the books. IMO, and I just read all 3 books, the first book is good, the 2nd and 3rd seemed kinda lazy. Lazy in that I didn’t find the premise believable. The underlying story was interesting, but the mechanics were clunky.

Well, that describes the show pretty well, imo.  

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« Reply #572 on: March 25, 2025, 12:24:09 PM »
Well, that describes the show pretty well, imo. 
I did find the initial premise intriguing. People live in an underground bunker for generations. They have no contact with the outside world. They don’t have any information about the outside world, not even what stars are or what happened to drive them underground. They only know that anyone being sent outside dies, but before they do they clean the camera, giving everybody else a clear view of the grim world outside. Some volunteer to do it, because they don’t wish to live in the silo anymore. Some are punished and sent outside. 

Any information about the outside world from the “ before times “ is forbidden and called a relic. 

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« Reply #573 on: March 25, 2025, 12:45:00 PM »
I've watched most of Silo season 1 and liked it.  But early on,  my i s c & a aggie wife got into it and now I have to wait for her to watch episodes, and she can't stay focused on any 1 show for very long, so we end up going weeks and weeks without getting back to something.

I'm about to just watch all of it without her, and then when she finally suggests we get back to it, just pretend I haven't already seen it...


 

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