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Topic: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska

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utee94

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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2022, 02:13:21 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 02:12:11 PM
well, there's a large number of UT-Austin graduates out wandering about

they can't ALL be stupid, but many Aggies might disagree
Sure, but...


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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2022, 03:07:45 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 01:25:55 PM
People who don't understand nuance or matchups are certainly surprised when such things happen.  People who only approach things superficially are surprised when such things happen. Stupid people are surprised when such things happen. 
Are you for real?  I don't care if it's an all-star team, if a super-talented team has underachieved enough to go 7-4 vs an unremarkable schedule, no, you should not expect them to beat a defending NC (and future NC) that is 10-1.  

Thank you for exemplifying what subjectivity means.  It's hilarious.
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2022, 03:13:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 26, 2022, 03:07:45 PM
Are you for real?  I don't care if it's an all-star team, if a super-talented team has underachieved enough to go 7-4 vs an unremarkable schedule, no, you should not expect them to beat a defending NC (and future NC) that is 10-1. 

Thank you for exemplifying what subjectivity means.  It's hilarious.

Lulz.
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2022, 03:26:34 PM »
well, yer both laughing, so that's good!
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2022, 03:49:46 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 03:26:34 PM
well, yer both laughing, so that's good!
LoL.

I am too. @OrangeAfroMan and @utee94 are talking past each other. Note that utee never said that anyone should have expected UT-96 to beat Nebraska, he merely said that:
"nobody should be surprised that a team as talented as 96 Texas could win that game"

I get that and I think OAM should too. Texas had lots of talent in 1996 as utee elaborated above. They were a typical "high-ceiling/low-floor" team. They were capable of playing really good football like when they obliterated middling OkSU and aTm. Additionally, they had a couple close losses to good teams (by a FG to ND and by four to Colorado). However, they were also capable of REALLY bad football like getting blown out by Virginia and losing to one of the worst Sooner squads of all time.

The win over Nebraska shouldn't have been expected but it also wasn't all that shocking. 
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2022, 03:58:06 PM »
If it wasn't surprising, then why is it so famous?  Why does everyone remember it?  Texas was a 21 point underdog!!! 
utee would agree with me if Texas wasn't the team involved. 
A 21-point dog beats the 2-time defending NCs, yeah, that's pretty damn surprising!!!!
The fact this is even a conversation is nuts.
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2022, 04:16:58 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 26, 2022, 01:14:18 PM
Yes, everyone should be surprised when a 7-4 team beats a 10-1 team, especially when it's for a conference title and a possible NC. 
This is performative obstinance. 

On the one hand, most upsets are to a degree surprising. On the other, in the long term, little should surprise us about an individual outcome in college football. 
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2022, 04:29:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 26, 2022, 03:58:06 PM
If it wasn't surprising, then why is it so famous?  Why does everyone remember it?  Texas was a 21 point underdog!!! 
utee would agree with me if Texas wasn't the team involved. 
A 21-point dog beats the 2-time defending NCs, yeah, that's pretty damn surprising!!!!
The fact this is even a conversation is nuts.
what was the line for the 96 arizona st game?
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2022, 06:49:48 PM »
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Reading articles about that game - shocking, crazy, etc......same as a 21-point underdog winning.  How is this even a conversation?!???
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2022, 06:51:20 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on July 26, 2022, 04:16:58 PM
This is performative obstinance.

On the one hand, most upsets are to a degree surprising. On the other, in the long term, little should surprise us about an individual outcome in college football.
This is sad - you guys are belaboring the point because it's me, not because my argument is wrong.  It's the only explanation I can come up with.
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2022, 06:55:05 PM »
I remember putting $100 on the 93 Huskers as 17 point dogs to Charlie Ward's Seminoles in the 94 Orange bowl

Huskers were the better team that night and should have won

vegas is just out for $$$
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2022, 06:56:37 PM »
And Vegas gladly took your money.
Planning a retirement strategy based on 17 and 21-point underdog betting??
Didn't think so.
Man, you just must be really bored or something.  This is such a stupid hill to die on.  
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2022, 07:00:14 PM »
the Skers covered, I won some cash

It's not my fight, I was surprised at the 96 game in Tempe
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Re: OT Tourney (Elite 8) - 1991 Florida State vs. 1996 Nebraska
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2022, 07:40:50 PM »
Well, I guess we made a scientific discovery today:  22 points is the cutoff of being surprised by an upset vs not being surprised.  
Good to know.
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