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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on July 26, 2022, 10:11:15 AM
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The resumes:
1991 Florida State (11-2)
- Preseason #1, won first 10 games until losing to #2 Miami in Wide Right I
- Lost the following week at #5 Florida
- Beat #9 Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl for their third win over a top 10 team, beating #3 Michigan and #10 Syracuse earlier in the season
- All-Americans: CB Terrell Buckley (unanimous), LB Marvin Jones (consensus), QB Casey Weldon, RB Amp Lee
1996 Nebraska (11-2)
- Shut out in Week 2 by #17 Arizona State, to snap 26 game overall winning streak, and 37 game regular season, dating back to November 14, 1992
- Beat #16 Kansas State by 36, and #5 Colorado
- Upset by Texas in the inaugural Big XII Championship Game
- Beat #10 Virginia Tech 41-21 in the Orange Bowl
- #9 S&P+ team of the 90s
- All-Americans: OC Aaron Taylor (consensus), DE Grant Wistrom (consensus), OG Chris Dishman, DE Jared Tomich
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I'm going with the Seminoles here.
I think I said this last time this Nebraska team was under consideration but I believe that 1996 Nebraska is somewhat overrated based on chronological proximity to really great Nebraska teams that won NC's in 1994, 1995, and 1997. The 1996 team was not the equal of those.
1996 Nebraska lost badly to a team that finished #4 and by 10 to a team that finished 8-5 and barely ranked. 1991 FSU lost by a combined six points to that year's NC and a team that finished #7.
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I went FSU, but by mid-season the 96 Huskers were very close to the 97 team
starting a new QB in Tempe and being very overconfident was a disaster
the Longhorn upset is unexplained unless you believe in which-craft and curses
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I went FSU, but by mid-season the 96 Huskers were very close to the 97 team
starting a new QB in Tempe and being very overconfident was a disaster
the Longhorn upset is unexplained unless you believe in which-craft and curses
'96 Longhorns were an extremely talented team, but just had very... "uneven"... coaching. Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams in the same backfield, that's no joke.
Mackovic got that B12 CCG right. He got a lot of other things wrong.
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the 4th down pass was right because it worked
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the 4th down pass was right because it worked
Outgaining the Huskers 503 yards to 398 yards is what worked.
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seemed like 100 of it was that derned 4th down pass
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seemed like 100 of it was that derned 4th down pass
It was a decent percentage of 100 yards, for sure.
And I'm not saying that 96 Texas was most assuredly better than 96 NU (despite the H2H win), I'm just saying that nobody should be surprised that a team as talented as 96 Texas could win that game, as long as the coaches did a better-than-usual job. Which they did.
As you say, the 96 Huskers were firing on all cylinders by the end of the year, and Texas still managed to beat them. That was a seriously talented Texas team that, every now and then, had some not-horrible coaching to go alongside.
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It was a decent percentage of 100 yards, for sure.
And I'm not saying that 96 Texas was most assuredly better than 96 NU (despite the H2H win), I'm just saying that nobody should be surprised that a team as talented as 96 Texas could win that game, as long as the coaches did a better-than-usual job. Which they did.
Yes, everyone should be surprised when a 7-4 team beats a 10-1 team, especially when it's for a conference title and a possible NC.
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I'm certain Osborne tried to get the message across to his players that Texas was very talented and capable of beating them. I doubt they listened
The team in Tempe earlier in the season was talented as well, going on to finish #4 after giving the Buckeyes all they wanted in the Rose. But, ranked #17 to begin the season
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Yes, everyone should be surprised when a 7-4 team beats a 10-1 team, especially when it's for a conference title and a possible NC.
People who don't understand nuance or matchups are certainly surprised when such things happen. People who only approach things superficially are surprised when such things happen. Stupid people are surprised when such things happen.
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not everyone????
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not everyone????
I'm trying not to assume that EVERYONE is stupid. Although perhaps that's just wishful thinking...
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well, there's a large number of UT-Austin graduates out wandering about
they can't ALL be stupid, but many Aggies might disagree
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well, there's a large number of UT-Austin graduates out wandering about
they can't ALL be stupid, but many Aggies might disagree
Sure, but...
(https://i.imgur.com/6scx0gr.png)
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People who don't understand nuance or matchups are certainly surprised when such things happen. People who only approach things superficially are surprised when such things happen. Stupid people are surprised when such things happen.
Are you for real? I don't care if it's an all-star team, if a super-talented team has underachieved enough to go 7-4 vs an unremarkable schedule, no, you should not expect them to beat a defending NC (and future NC) that is 10-1.
Thank you for exemplifying what subjectivity means. It's hilarious.
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Are you for real? I don't care if it's an all-star team, if a super-talented team has underachieved enough to go 7-4 vs an unremarkable schedule, no, you should not expect them to beat a defending NC (and future NC) that is 10-1.
Thank you for exemplifying what subjectivity means. It's hilarious.
Lulz.
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well, yer both laughing, so that's good!
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well, yer both laughing, so that's good!
LoL.
I am too. @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) and @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) are talking past each other. Note that utee never said that anyone should have expected UT-96 to beat Nebraska, he merely said that:
"nobody should be surprised that a team as talented as 96 Texas could win that game"
I get that and I think OAM should too. Texas had lots of talent in 1996 as utee elaborated above. They were a typical "high-ceiling/low-floor" team. They were capable of playing really good football like when they obliterated middling OkSU and aTm. Additionally, they had a couple close losses to good teams (by a FG to ND and by four to Colorado). However, they were also capable of REALLY bad football like getting blown out by Virginia and losing to one of the worst Sooner squads of all time.
The win over Nebraska shouldn't have been expected but it also wasn't all that shocking.
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If it wasn't surprising, then why is it so famous? Why does everyone remember it? Texas was a 21 point underdog!!!
utee would agree with me if Texas wasn't the team involved.
A 21-point dog beats the 2-time defending NCs, yeah, that's pretty damn surprising!!!!
The fact this is even a conversation is nuts.
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Yes, everyone should be surprised when a 7-4 team beats a 10-1 team, especially when it's for a conference title and a possible NC.
This is performative obstinance.
On the one hand, most upsets are to a degree surprising. On the other, in the long term, little should surprise us about an individual outcome in college football.
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If it wasn't surprising, then why is it so famous? Why does everyone remember it? Texas was a 21 point underdog!!!
utee would agree with me if Texas wasn't the team involved.
A 21-point dog beats the 2-time defending NCs, yeah, that's pretty damn surprising!!!!
The fact this is even a conversation is nuts.
what was the line for the 96 arizona st game?
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Reading articles about that game - shocking, crazy, etc......same as a 21-point underdog winning. How is this even a conversation?!???
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This is performative obstinance.
On the one hand, most upsets are to a degree surprising. On the other, in the long term, little should surprise us about an individual outcome in college football.
This is sad - you guys are belaboring the point because it's me, not because my argument is wrong. It's the only explanation I can come up with.
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I remember putting $100 on the 93 Huskers as 17 point dogs to Charlie Ward's Seminoles in the 94 Orange bowl
Huskers were the better team that night and should have won
vegas is just out for $$$
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And Vegas gladly took your money.
Planning a retirement strategy based on 17 and 21-point underdog betting??
Didn't think so.
Man, you just must be really bored or something. This is such a stupid hill to die on.
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the Skers covered, I won some cash
It's not my fight, I was surprised at the 96 game in Tempe
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Well, I guess we made a scientific discovery today: 22 points is the cutoff of being surprised by an upset vs not being surprised.
Good to know.
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Well, I guess we made a scientific discovery today: 22 points is the cutoff of being surprised by an upset vs not being surprised.
Good to know.
Is it surprising that a 13-1 team could lose to a 9-4 team?
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Should everyone watch UM-Appy State and '98 MSU-OSU for research purposes
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Is it surprising that a 13-1 team could lose to a 9-4 team?
Yes, shocking!
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This is an issue of "can lose" vs actually losing.
Upsets happen. That seems to be the concerted point being made by all of my besties here. No shit. But each individual upset is an unlikely event.
Like being struck by lightning. Or getting in a car accident. Or your school winning a NC. Each of these happens, but when it happens to you, it's surprising because it's unlikely.
If we wanted to go further, we could say getting in a car accident is like a 10-point underdog winning. Your school winning a NC (if it's a top-15 all-time program) is like an 18-point dog winning, and being struck by lightning is like a 30-point dog winning.
The point is that "something that happens sometimes" is different than "that something happened this time" or "that something happened to me."
Again, no matter how many people have the time to kill to pile on, this is a truly obscure point to try to disagree with me on. I'm not wrong. A 21-point underdog team, no matter how talented, surprised everyone by beating Nebraska that day. Obviously.
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Best decision to turn down a free ticket of my life. That XII game. I had some serious project to do for school.
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So sad I turned down a ticket to that game. I was working in Newport Beach and trying to finish up the fab equipment installation and testing before Christmas. I'd been flying home every home game weekend and figured I'd hit my travel limit.
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Should everyone watch UM-Appy State
Sure, why not!
https://youtu.be/sOF6-GScIGo
Should everyone watch '98 MSU-OSU for research purposes
Oh God please no!
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I didn't turn down a free ticket, but had two different groups driving down that wanted me to go along.
I had a 2 year old and one on the way. I was also traveling for work and thought it best to stay home that weekend.
I figured there be plenty more opportunities
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Again, no matter how many people have the time to kill to pile on, this is a truly obscure point to try to disagree with me on. I'm not wrong. A 21-point underdog team, no matter how talented, surprised everyone by beating Nebraska that day. Obviously.
well, maybe not everyone
as Utee pointed out, there are stoopid people out there
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well, maybe not everyone
as Utee pointed out, there are stoopid people out there
Sure. Any yahoo that was surprised by it. :)