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SuperMario

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2018, 01:56:16 AM »
Decent article from Andy Staples:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/01/26/michigan-state-mark-dantonio-tom-izzo-espn-report

I thought the last two paragraphs were spot on. As Staples noted, it’s important to recognize that the OTL report was not definitive.

ELA - keep your head up. While the Nassar situation is likely not common, it’s difficult for me to believe that the culture of covering up for athletes is solely an MSU problem. This could have happened and likely does happen at many institutions.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2018, 05:15:03 AM »
This is the same as the sexual harassment thing - it happens EVERYWHERE.  Nassar's the bad guy, he's the big story, going to jail with fire and brimstone from the judge........he just happens to be one that got caught.

MSU is guilty of doing what too many places are doing, too.  Hopefully for them, they're not made the example of and hopefully more Nassars are exposed and going forward, the vacuum in which his filthy ilk works in is eliminated everywhere.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2018, 09:00:46 AM »
Quote from: ELA on January 27, 2018, 06:03:56 PM
MSU has a major culture problem.  Is it just as bad anywhere else you dug? ...The DOE has them on heightened monitoring due to campus wide issues.  That's what bothers me.  That I don't want to wear my MSU pullover to run errands.  That I don't know what the client who walks into my office thinks when they see my MSU diploma.  You want blood, you want to fire the coaches, go for it.  If they are a symptom of the problem, that solves nothing.  MSU has to fix the problem, starting at the top down, and fortunately, that's where they've started.
The good news, in the sense of fandom and educational associations with MSU, is that the masses forget and move on from these scandals quickly. The only time I ever hear hostilities about Penn St is from my Michigan fan relatives who bring it up because don't like Penn St anyway, and that whole fallout was only 6 years ago.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2018, 08:48:14 AM »
Institutions like MSU have procedures to handle allegations of sexual assault.  If Izzo and Dantonio followed them and did not try to cover anything up they're fine.  Only want to see those who deserve to have their lives ruined get it.  Innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #102 on: January 29, 2018, 09:02:17 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on January 29, 2018, 08:48:14 AM
Institutions like MSU have procedures to handle allegations of sexual assault.  If Izzo and Dantonio followed them and did not try to cover anything up they're fine.  Only want to see those who deserve to have their lives ruined get it.  Innocent until proven guilty.
Yeah, I'm cringing at the people ready to bury them, and the MSU fans who are already supporting them.  I don't really get any take right now, other than "lets take a look at this."  I think the OTL report has major, major flaws, but there's way too much smoke for anyone to be out publicly supporting either of them right now either.
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« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2018, 09:42:03 AM »
My understanding is that OTL got the lion's share of its information from the legwork done by the Indianapolis Star.  OTL just put it together more for a national delivery.

It's not unlike the work done by the Harrisburg Patriot News, who 'broke' the Sandusky scandal wide open (and Ganim won the Pullitzer Prize for).

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« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2018, 09:45:57 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on January 29, 2018, 08:48:14 AM
Institutions like MSU have procedures to handle allegations of sexual assault.  If Izzo and Dantonio followed them and did not try to cover anything up they're fine.  Only want to see those who deserve to have their lives ruined get it.  Innocent until proven guilty.
Joe Paterno, to the letter of law and procedure, did exactly this at Penn State.  Who here is ready to retroactively give Paterno a pass based on a statement like this?  I'm not myself.
That said, I also gave Paterno the benefit of innocence until guilt proven and came to my own conclusion he was 'guilty' of not having done more than he was capable of doing, even if he did follow procedure and protocol.  I have a feeling I'll come to the same conclusion with Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio.  
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2018, 09:50:32 AM »
Quote from: ELA on January 29, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Yeah, I'm cringing at the people ready to bury them, and the MSU fans who are already supporting them.  I don't really get any take right now, other than "lets take a look at this."  I think the OTL report has major, major flaws, but there's way too much smoke for anyone to be out publicly supporting either of them right now either.
So did the Freeh report and look at the fallout from that?  
On a whole, I find it Interesting the narrative that's evolving about this as opposed to what it was 5-6 years ago with Penn State.  Being a Penn State fan is a very interesting (and unfortunate) place to be watching this unfold.  
Maybe we learned something from that situation to take a deep breath and let the facts come out before we as a society pass judgment bearing pitchforks and torches.  Those who needed to be punished ultimately were (Curley, Shutlz and Spanier), but in the court of public opinion they never received due process; they were guilty the day Sandusky was taken in to custody.  
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2018, 12:33:31 PM »
For the extreme punishment crowd:

1) Plenty of governments have tried; it doesn't work;

2) Sure puts a lot of faith in the government to get prosecutions right. That's one of the things that led to the rebellion from Britain. It's an American tradition to distrust the government, but it's funny, the same people who don't trust authorities in one circumstance, often believe its our patriotic duty to support the authorities in another.

It feels good to say, but the devil is in the details. And I suspect you don't really mean it, but it still bugs me to read it.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2018, 01:47:42 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on January 29, 2018, 12:33:31 PM
For the extreme punishment crowd:

1) Plenty of governments have tried; it doesn't work;
Extreme punishments (hand severing for stealing, death for drug moving) don't work because of the psychological nature of crime. Crime, especially as it gets more severe, is at heart a narcisstic act. Those committing murder hardly think to look into the legal blowback; the thought process never gets that far because they genuinely believe they cannot be caught. The prospect of the death penalty is limited as a preventative affect.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2018, 04:06:45 PM »
No surprise, but the AGs investigation is starting with

1.)the gymnastics coach

2.) the Dean of the School of Ortho, and 

3.) the MSU doctor and former co-worker of Nassar who apparently removed certain files at Nassar's request, and was told by Nassar of USA Gymnastics investigation of him, and didn't report this fact to MSU

Those are the three that seem most unable to escape some level of prosecution, so start there, see what they'll give up in exchange for leniency.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2018, 05:50:14 PM »
MSU interim President says school plans to hire a new AD in the next 24 to 48 hours.

Not sure how I feel about that.  I get that you need someone in charge for something like this, and given the nature it probably shouldn't (for optics) be someone on the inside, but this job is going to extend beyond these issues, and that seems incredibly fast to conduct any sort of legitimate search.
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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #110 on: January 30, 2018, 11:18:22 AM »
FWIW, Travis Walton's statement

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #111 on: January 30, 2018, 01:23:57 PM »
It's always amazing what a creative PR type and a lawyer can draft up, when put in a room together.


I hate it when I am talking to a woman in a bar and she just randomly throws a drink in my face unprovoked. I usually walk out right away. Happens all the time.


And maybe not an employee, but:

 it was Coach Izzo who stepped in and made Travis an offer he couldn’t refuse. “I was nine hours short of graduation,” Walton says. “Coach Izzo encouraged me to return to MSU, work with him as a student assistant coach, and earn my degree.”
Walton moved into Izzo’s basement and spent the year completing his degree, learning the art of coaching
http://www.limaohio.com/sports/281851/tom-izzos-coaching-dna-runs-deep-in-travis-walton
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