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Topic: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers

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medinabuckeye1

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OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« on: October 22, 2020, 01:56:33 AM »
If you have never experienced this disease within your family, consider yourself very fortunate. 

They call it the long goodbye and it is. It is losing someone in slow motion. I've been watching my dad slip away for better than a decade. I know plenty of guys who have lost their dads and I'm not envious of them. @847badgerfan talked about his experience with that a while back.  I'm now in this bizarre in between where my dad is still physically with us but for all practical purposes, I've already lost him.

I've been watching Ohio State football games with my dad since the Michigan State game on September 13, 1975 when I was just a few months old (Ohio State won 21-0). He took me to my first Ohio State game. He and my brother and I watched the Buckeyes play in all 14 B1G stadiums plus the Rose Bowl. Some of you met him on some of those trips.

Saturday afternoon he and my brother and I are going to watch the Nebraska game together. My brother and I will talk about meeting @FearlessF in Lincoln back in 2011 but dad won't remember that.

Unfortunately, Saturday will probably be the last time I get to watch an Ohio State game with my dad. His disease has progressed to the point where my mom can't handle it and she fired the home health aids that my brother and I arranged for (don't get me started on that mess) so dad is about to be moved into a memory care unit at an assisted living facility. 

Even in pre-COVID times this is a big event but it is even bigger in this pandemic. We can't go there to watch games with him and if we "check him out" for a game he has to quarantine for 14 days.

I don't want this to be a thread of everyone feeling sorry for Medina, but I consider you my friends and I have some advice for anyone who finds themselves heading down this road with a family member. 

First:
When you start to think that maybe they shouldn't be driving anymore, you probably should have taken their keys a long time ago.

I'm not going to sugar coat this, taking dad's license was a horrible experience. My dad was the kind of guy who swore maybe once a year. I heard him swear more when we took away his license than I did the whole time I was growing up and I deserved those.

With that said, the difficulty of taking his license away was nothing compared to how horrible I would have felt if he had run someone over after I knew he shouldn't have been driving. Don't put yourself in that position. 

Second:
The person suffering from dementia/alzheimers just doesn't see their limitations. The best example I have is that not long after we took his license I took him to an appointment with his Cardiologist. While in the waiting room he was ranting and raving about not being allowed to drive. It was BAD. He had his coat in one hand and the hanger in the other and he literally could not figure out how to get the coat on the hanger. He interrupted himself in mid-sentence of raving about not being able to drive to hand me the coat and hanger and say "here, you do this" then kept on raving about not being able to drive. 

I'm not laughing at my dad here, but the situation was hilarious. I just looked at him thinking " you can't operate a coat hanger and you think I should put you behind the wheel of an 8,500 gvwr truck that we plow snow with?" I didn't actually say that to him, obviously. 

Third:
You have to learn to deflect and divert. This also, as a practical matter, involves lying to the patient. For years every time I visited dad would tell me that he needed me to help him get his John Deer garden tractor set up with the plow/mower and it took me a while to learn that the best way to handle it was to tell him that my brother and I would do it "next weekend".  "Next weekend" never came because it wasn't safe for him to operate that machine. 

Fourth:
Fake keys. I got this idea from my neighbor. If they obsess about wanting keys for house/car/whatever go get a handful of blanks and give them those.

Fifth:
Most important, enjoy every day that you have with them. 

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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2020, 05:12:48 AM »
Well written Medina.  And accurate. 

My Dad was my dude. That guy taught me how to fish, play golf, be successful in business, play football, baseball, basketball.  He taught me how to Treat people with generosity and respect and dignity, especially women.   He taught me how to run a business and the guy never took a nap in his life. If there was a crack in the driveway he poured the cement. If mom wanted a new deck built in the backyard he dug the holes, put in the posts and build the deck.  And on and on.

His Parkinson’s, which brought on dementia, slowly took him away and killed him but by the end it was is if only his body was there anyway. It was extremely painful to watch.

I’m thankful every day for what he gave me and the 80 years he graced this place. 
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2020, 06:53:12 AM »
Damn, that's rough. I feel for you Medina (and HB).

Honestly, I don't know what is worse. A long, slow death or a massive heart attack (my dad) going fast.

Not having a chance to say goodbye still sits with me, 8 years later. So I don't know.
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2020, 07:31:40 AM »
Damn, that's rough. I feel for you Medina (and HB).

Honestly, I don't know what is worse. A long, slow death or a massive heart attack (my dad) going fast.

Not having a chance to say goodbye still sits with me, 8 years later. So I don't know.
My mother unfortunately ended up in it's grips.And she was sharp as a tack,and a kind soul and a I shook my fist at the heavens many times for it.I'd rather exit quickly,good luck MB make sure there are no obstacles he could trip/fall on or from.The condition complicates that problem
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2020, 08:45:42 AM »
I had an Uncle that passed away from this about a month ago. His wife was my father's sister, so not a blood uncle but one by marriage. 

His was pretty quick. About 5 years ago it was becoming noticeable. He'd ask you what you had to eat about five minutes after you just got done telling him about it. Fast forward a few years, and he doesn't even recognize his own children. My aunt also has an adult daughter that lives with her due to mental incompetency. So they made quite the trio. My 80 year old aunt would have to drive them both around and order their food at a restaurant. She had to do all of the thinking for all three of them. 

There was a certain card game that he liked, he remembered how to play it all the way up until the bitter end, and he really had a great time playing it. He would start cracking jokes and interacting on a fairly normal level again. So I recommend trying this. Break out the Uno cards or whatever game they might like, and see if they can still play. If it works, you won't regret it. 

My Aunt never put him into a care facility. She wouldn't hear of it. It was admirable, but might have led to an earlier demise as he eventually fell down the stairs a few months back and only lived about six weeks after that. But he got to die at home surrounded by loved ones. We just buried him last week. 
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2020, 08:47:09 AM »
Very familiar scenario Medina w my Mom's Dad, especially the driving.   He ended up, legally speaking, at least, stealing a car.  I remember tracking him down, we knew it was him, going over curbs, etc.  He threatened anybody who got in his way by getting in their faces. 

My Mom tells us all the time,  don't come see me if/ when she gets like this.   Whats the point.  Don't!  

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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2020, 08:48:26 AM »
Medina,

I really appreciate you meeting with me on your trip to Lincoln back then.  Moments and memories like those are what life is all about.

I don't think there's a "better" way to lose someone, quickly or slowly.  Maybe better for some people that deal with loss differently.

Hang in there!
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2020, 09:15:17 AM »
Very familiar scenario Medina w my Mom's Dad, especially the driving.  He ended up, legally speaking, at least, stealing a car.  I remember tracking him down, we knew it was him, going over curbs, etc.  He threatened anybody who got in his way by getting in their faces.

My Mom tells us all the time,  don't come see me if/ when she gets like this.  Whats the point.  Don't! 
My mother does this too. I think she does it with a little gallows humor, but it's likely closer than we'd like to admit. 

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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2020, 09:24:41 AM »
Having lost both parents and missing them dearly, I advise to spend as much time as you can with them while they are here and able.

My buddy lost his dad recently to this same thing. The man was a shell of himself, but he was still kind. He was in the harbor every weekend until he couldn't, and even though he couldn't remember much, he always remembered his neighbors at the harbor (me and Mrs. 847 particularly, and some others). 

When he no longer could, he was in memory care. He passed in March (not Covid). My buddy is a saint for giving his dad 3 really good years after the wife passed.
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2020, 09:34:13 AM »
I don't want this to be a thread of everyone feeling sorry for Medina, but I consider you my friends and I have some advice for anyone who finds themselves heading down this road with a family member.
 
I read this, and my heart damn near broke. 

Many moons ago, I talked to a college professor about loss (a person I'd been very friendly with a few years earlier died at 22) wondering what a dope like me could write on a card to a family that just lost a kid. Her advice was that it didn't really matter what I wrote, it just mattered that you said something at all.

Saying sorry, offering prayers, all of that is just an imprecise way to emotionally buttress someone. I won't do it here, but just know, and I hope I speak for everyone here, when I say we want to, in whatever small ways we can, buttress you emotionally, spiritually and in other ways. 

I watched the kind of thing your describing secondhand through 13-year-old eyes. My grandma had lived alone for probably a decade and a half after my grandfather died. She was fiercely independent and held a job helping out at a library. It had many of the same hallmarks. An intense battle over the car until the DMV revoked a licence because of bad vision (and there was an incident or two before the car was taken). That moment when family realized that behavior we'd written off as quirky personality change was a sign of something else. 

She never ended up in a place. She was deteriorating, but change is so gradual than no one really thought it all the way through until right near the end or after. Her two kids burned through vacation days, got grandkids up early so a friend could take them to school, in an effort to be de facto live-in caregivers for the last 4-6 months. They didn't know it was the last six months at the time, but we all just trudged forward doing what needed to happen day by day. 

In my limited experience, I've only been close to cases where the person in that spot is alone, which is a whole different dynamic. It seems like not being alone robs the whole situation of a certain clarity, and I can't begin to imagine that. I know this will probably be something I deal with. My parents tell me they've accepted the likelihood of ending up in a home, but I know when the day comes, the reason they have to go will rob them of that perspective. Anyway, may God keep you and yours through this. 

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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2020, 09:54:50 AM »
Great post BaB.

And yes, you speak for all of us.
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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2020, 10:15:28 AM »
Thanks for posting (the OP) with the very useful advice.  My mom faded but it was due to atherosclerosis, and she lived to 93.  She was in a home for the last 3 years after my dad passed (at 93).  I was not very close to my dad, especially later in life.  I was probably less close to my mom than is typical.  My parents were very reserved and unemotional about just about anything.  I don't think they knew how to interact with someone else emotionally.

My wife greatly fears this happening to her.  She wants out, she says, if she gets bad.  And of course none of us want anything like this to happen to us, but something likely will.  You can pass quickly or not, and the not can be bad.

I don't think about it much frankly.  I try and be positive about life.  I no longer have parents or uncles and aunts for whom this is a possible issue.


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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2020, 10:40:13 AM »
I lost my grandmother to Alzheimer's. The hardest part for me was to see my family fight over how to manage her end of life and her meager possessions.

Condolences Medina.

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Re: OT: Dementia/Alzheimers
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2020, 10:58:40 AM »
My grandfather (dad's side) had Alzheimers. It had started out as little things, but it started getting worse after about a year or two.  He "retired" from engineering to become a farmer in NC (while I was living in California), but I spent a couple of months out there one summer helping work the farm.  I remember that one day he had to go run an errand and there was a phone call at the house that I answered.  The phone call was from a church member who was double checking as to whether my grandfather was ready to speak at the funeral that day.  When my grandfather returned home, I forgot to tell him about the call for about 20 minutes, and he nearly screamed at me (which he had NEVER done before) for not telling him sooner.  I was probably about 14 at the time, and I didn't realize till years later that he wasn't mad at me, he was mad at himself, because he had forgotten that his best friend of 10 years had died four days before.

Unfortunately, he suffered a stroke shortly after that.  It was downhill quickly from there.  I visited him in the hospital a few times, but he was just a shell of the man I remember.  He could barely speak, and I don't think he ever recognized me (though he still knew my dad).  What was interesting is that he could still sing.  He still remembered the tunes and words for songs that he had sung with his shipmates from the Merchant Marines back in WW2.  He also apparently remembered how to swear like a sailor too (which I had never heard him do before then).

The worst were his "good" days.  Some days, he would have enough cognizance to realize where he was, and what he had lost.  Those are the days that he would cry and be nearly inconsolable.  His "bad" days were better because at least he was a little happy.

My grandmother was a registered nurse, so she would spend at least 5 hours a day at the memory care unit with him (and then still ran the farm).  Sadly, about 6 months after my grandfather entered the facility, she had a massive coronary that killed her in her sleep.  So I have seen both sides of the "is it better to go fast or slow" spectrum.  If I had to give a preference, I think fast is better.  It's more of a shock up front, but in the long run, it's easier to greave and move on.  "Fortunately", my grandfather passed only a couple of months after that.

I know that my father shares my opinion on this.  Going out like that is one of the things he fears more than anything.  He has already specifically told me that if the options on the table are to live like my grandfather for a year or to pull the plug, I am to pull the plug.

I am very much hoping to never have to make that decision.

 

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