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Topic: OT - Books

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #308 on: July 16, 2026, 10:58:12 AM »
Never read it. 

Potentially, a major problem for me was we got no sci-fi assignments.  If they'd have been giving us some Asimov, Heinlein, Card, or people like that, I'd have eaten it up. 

As it was, I did it eat up, on my own time.  I just didn't get to do book reports, take tests, and do class discussions about them.  Probably for the best.  Those troglodytes wouldn't have understood them anyway. 
Oddly, my junior year English teacher actually assigned us some Ayn Rand. It was just Anthem, pretty much no more than a short story (Amazon says 68 pages in print). 

In retrospect, I can't imagine how he got an Ayn Rand book approved for students through the public school system bureaucracy. 

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« Reply #309 on: July 16, 2026, 11:03:08 AM »
Oddly, my junior year English teacher actually assigned us some Ayn Rand. It was just Anthem, pretty much no more than a short story (Amazon says 68 pages in print).

In retrospect, I can't imagine how he got an Ayn Rand book approved for students through the public school system bureaucracy.

Man, down here in Texico Atlas Shrugged was on the required reading list.

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« Reply #310 on: July 16, 2026, 11:07:17 AM »
Oddly, my junior year English teacher actually assigned us some Ayn Rand. It was just Anthem, pretty much no more than a short story (Amazon says 68 pages in print).

In retrospect, I can't imagine how he got an Ayn Rand book approved for students through the public school system bureaucracy.

I can't give my full thoughts on that without crossing a line I probably shouldn't, but IMO Ayn Rand's Anthem novella should be required reading.  It contains ideas that are part of Western civilization cultural cannon, and as such, should be taught.  Now, there's a lot of context and personal commentary I'd add to that, but here I'll just say I think it's the right move to include that book.  

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« Reply #311 on: July 16, 2026, 11:51:11 AM »
Man, down here in Texico Atlas Shrugged was on the required reading list.
Eh. I don't believe that for a second... What high school student is going to read an 1100-page novel where the first 600 or so are slow, boring, character development before things even get interesting? 

I think Atlas is an important book for many reasons, but it's a pretty terrible novel. I feel like it could have been done in about 2/3 the page count, and would have been better for it. 

I can't give my full thoughts on that without crossing a line I probably shouldn't, but IMO Ayn Rand's Anthem novella should be required reading.  It contains ideas that are part of Western civilization cultural cannon, and as such, should be taught.  Now, there's a lot of context and personal commentary I'd add to that, but here I'll just say I think it's the right move to include that book. 
Agreed... And the only thing I'll say on top of that is that there are probably a lot of people who wouldn't agree with the ideas in Atlas Shrugged, but as with anything, often it's a useful read so you at least know what is driving the people with whom you disagree with. 

It's why I took the philosophy class in college, Classic and Contemporary Marxism. It's not that I was then, nor planned to become, a Marxist. But it's best to understand what others think...

To bring it back to books, as part of that class we read Ursula K Le Guin's The Dispossessed. Which was honestly a pretty good book. 

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« Reply #312 on: July 16, 2026, 12:25:46 PM »
The Dispossessed was a good book, but I think I like Left hand of darkness better.  Of course both were award winning books for her. 

I have read Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead and Anthem, while I have some definite Objectivistic leanings, I am not a fan of her writings. 

One of the good things of going to a large university, even back in the late 70s, early 80s, Ohio State had a Science fiction literature class.  At that time, I was pretty narrow in my sci-fi/fantasy reading, Tolkien, Asimov, Bradbury, Heinlein. The class introduced me to authors like LeGuin, Pashin, Purnelle, Niven

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« Reply #313 on: July 16, 2026, 01:25:42 PM »
Eh. I don't believe that for a second... What high school student is going to read an 1100-page novel where the first 600 or so are slow, boring, character development before things even get interesting?
I don't disagree with the second part this quote, but all I can say is, it was definitely on my required reading list in high school.  My school had very advanced AP classes with quite rigorous academic requirements.  Atlas Shrugged wasn't even the longest book on the reading list, that distinction belonged to Tolstoy's War and Peace.

Overall I liked the book but it was definitely a slog and the 50-page soliloquy from John Galt didn't help things along.  

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #314 on: July 16, 2026, 01:29:08 PM »
I don't remember reading many books in high school. Great Gatsby maybe?

Of course, I'm not one to read (or even open) books. Never have been.

The bookstore at UW used to love my trade-in books.
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