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Title: OT - Books
Post by: nuwildcat on July 29, 2017, 08:50:59 PM
I'm about 2/3 through John Wooley's Wes Craven: The man and his nightmares


- fascinating read for anyone who likes Craven or the horror genre in general


- the details surrounding A Nightmare on Elm Street were particularly thorough and I'd imagine the Scream franchise will be given just as exhaustive a treatment when I get to it


btw, here are a few Wes Craven fun facts that may come in handy if you're ever on Jeopardy!


- he was born and raised in Cleveland (O-H!)

- he went to Wheaton College for undergrad and Johns Hopkins for his master's degree


- his 2nd marriage to Mimi ended when she reportedly had an affair with .... Sharon Stone (yep, that Sharon Stone)  ???
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 30, 2017, 12:29:36 PM
- he went to Wheaton College for undergrad and Johns Hopkins for his master's degree

Yeah, that'd cause nightmares lol...

(I grew up in Wheaton)
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Post by: Geolion91 on July 31, 2017, 10:06:06 AM
For anyone that enjoys WWII books, these true stories by Adam Makos are pretty good.  I've read both "A Higher Call" and "Devotion"  "Devotion" is really about the Korean War, rather than WWII, but it isn't really about the war, anyway.

http://adammakos.com/books.html (http://adammakos.com/books.html)
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Post by: nuwildcat on July 31, 2017, 08:13:21 PM
Yeah, that'd cause nightmares lol...

(I grew up in Wheaton)

Craven apparently wasn't crazy about Wheaton either

- along that line, IIRC (from an early chapter) he self-published an anti-religion magazine / pamphlet that was distributed on campus .... which the powers-that-be @ the Christian institution promptly banned  :96:
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 01, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
Reading The Glass Castle by Jeannette Walls - an excellent memoir of her nomadic upbringing through ups and downs of Battle Mountain NV, Phoenix AZ, Welch WV, and eventually New York NY. Her parents irresponsibility, especially her Dad's runaway alcoholism, can be unsettling to read; I hear the movie for this book came out this year.
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Post by: PSUinNC on August 01, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
"Discover Your True North", a book on leadership. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 01, 2017, 04:27:24 PM
I think I said this on the old board, but if you're into sci-fi, there are two series that I've read recently that are REALLY good.

The Three Body Problem (https://www.amazon.com/Three-Body-Problem-Remembrance-Earths-Past-ebook/dp/B00IQO403K/) by Cixin Liu
Red Mars (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Mars-Trilogy-Book-ebook/dp/B000QCS914/) by Kim Stanley Robinson


Both links are book one of their respective trilogies.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 01, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
I recently finished Retreat from Gettysburg (https://www.amazon.com/Retreat-Gettysburg-Logistics-Pennsylvania-Campaign/dp/0807872091) by Kent Masterson Brown. 


I thought it was fascinating but I need to insert a warning here.  It is basically a book about logistics and there are a LOT of details in this book.  If you want to know everything there is to know about Lee's Retreat from Gettysburg and Meade's pursuit of same, read this book.  If you want a light introduction to the subject, this book is NOT for you. 


I was mostly interested in Meade's pursuit of Lee's army after the battle because many people, starting with President Lincoln, have criticized Meade for failing to crush or capture Lee's entire army.  This book made clear to me that this is not as valid of a criticism as I once thought.  In fact, Meade had many of the same problems that Lee had.  Mead's army had suffered harrowing losses at Gettysburg and was low on supplies of everything (food, ammunition, shoes, etc).  Additionally, Lee handled the retreat skillfully and made it very difficult for Meade to determine his intentions let alone foil them. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2017, 04:38:04 PM
At least Wheaton is no longer dry...

I'm still reading/cooking my way through  Mastering the Art of French Cooking by Julia Child.

I remember that one movie when that chick made it through that book in 2 hours or something. Bitch. I can't cook that fast.
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Post by: MrNubbz on August 01, 2017, 05:27:58 PM
I was mostly interested in Meade's pursuit of Lee's army after the battle because many people, starting with President Lincoln, have criticized Meade for failing to crush or capture Lee's entire army.  This book made clear to me that this is not as valid of a criticism as I once thought.  In fact, Meade had many of the same problems that Lee had.  Mead's army had suffered harrowing losses at Gettysburg and was low on supplies of everything (food, ammunition, shoes, etc).  Additionally, Lee handled the retreat skillfully and made it very difficult for Meade to determine his intentions let alone foil them. 

Exactly Lincoln watched as McClellan/Burnside/Hooker had almost lost the war.Meade was a topographical engineer who agreed with his subordinates that Cemetery Ridge was an ideal spot to dig in.Gettysburg was 3 horrific days not one.Calling his generals out was one thing.Chastising Meade after Gettyburg was one of the very few bonehead moves by Lincoln.It didn't help that the biggest lying A-Hole of them all - Dan Sickles got most of his brigade killed/wounded by ignoring orders.He was a political appointee and no field soldier.After getting his leg blown off he returned to D.C. and started spreading all kinds of falsehoods.How he(Sickles) was a major player in the victory(bullshit)I read that a month earlier he tried claiming his unit killed Stonewall Jackson(total bullshit).Before the war he was acquitted after using temporary insanity as a legal defense for the first time in United States history.He killed his wife's lover as I recall was the son of Francis Scott Key
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Post by: MrNubbz on August 01, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
I just finished - We Who are Alive & Remain:untold stories from the Band Of Brothers.Basically 23 contributions from soldiers who where left out of Stephen Ambrose's Band of Brothers & the HBO Documentary mini -series.Fairly interesting with different perspectives on war in the ETO in WWII from one of the premier fighting units
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Post by: MarqHusker on August 01, 2017, 05:52:03 PM
As an aside, the Civil War suffers from recency bias in the face of WW II, when it comes to contemporary comprehension.  Nothing can really be done about that, given the advantages WW II has over the Civil War.  The fact that we still have veterans,  not to mention documentation out the wazoo in the form of video, audio and other media.

That isn't to say the Civil War (its history) is w/o its supporters, on the contrary,  it is unbelievable the volume of material which exists which chronicles nearly every conceivable angle of the war.   I just find the war underappreciated in a general sense for how destructive and life altering it was for our country.
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Post by: EastAthens on August 01, 2017, 09:02:03 PM
I would say the South has suffered from losing that war and 75% of Southern wealth until this day.  After Jim Crow was finally, at long last lifted, and the South started using our entire population, instead of using 55% to hold down 45%,  the South started to prosper but we still are low on the numbers we should be high on, like college graduates. and high on numbers we should be  low on, like poverty rates, high school drop-out rates, etc.


Actually it was  not the war that caused this, it was slavery itself. There was no capacity to absorb several million poor, uneducated people into our system.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
Anyone ever been to the Carnton house in Franklin?
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Post by: UT-Erin03 on August 02, 2017, 01:58:20 PM

The past year I've been reading more escape-fantasy books rather than nonfiction/memoirs.   Although I do have a hard copy of Flyboys on my coffee table at the recommendation of my retired-army-father-in-law.   Hopefully I can give that a read before I see him again at Christmas so I can return it read, rather than unread.


But, my most recently completed novel was The Night Circus by Erin Morgenstern.  Probably not considered a masterpiece, but it was great for building imagery with a good plot that wasn't overly predictable.  I could totally see it being made into a movie, but maybe that's because it did a good job of making me visualize the scenes as I willingly tried to escape from a mundane day by reading this & avoiding real-life politics and news events.


Haven't decided if I want to go straight into Flyboys next, or the next in queue on my Kindle is All The Light We Cannot See , which may be a better warm up as far as historical books go.
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Post by: PSUinNC on August 02, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
I would say the South has suffered from losing that war and 75% of Southern wealth until this day.  After Jim Crow was finally, at long last lifted, and the South started using our entire population, instead of using 55% to hold down 45%,  the South started to prosper but we still are low on the numbers we should be high on, like college graduates. and high on numbers we should be  low on, like poverty rates, high school drop-out rates, etc.


Actually it was  not the war that caused this, it was slavery itself. There was no capacity to absorb several million poor, uneducated people into our system.

I think air conditioning has led to the south rising as much as anything (and I'm not saying that in a joking manner). 
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Post by: Geolion91 on August 03, 2017, 12:18:16 PM
Living in Tennessee, I can say it is much more tolerable than it would have been without A/C.
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Post by: EastAthens on August 03, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
This  (http://macromarketmusings.blogspot.com/2015/03/do-air-conditioners-explain-rise-of.html)is an interesting perspective about ac and the South.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 05, 2017, 09:33:11 AM
British Author Kazuo Ishiguro announced as this year's Nobel Prize winner for Literature.

Having read two of his novels, his bestselling novels - Remains Of The Day & Never Let Me Go - they more so come across as very very British rather than globally appealing, which the award committee usually looks for. Both novels very much worth the read.
Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: nuwildcat on October 18, 2017, 11:27:07 PM
Just finished Searching for Bobby Fischer by Fred Waitzkin

- chronicles the rise of Fred's 7-year old chess prodigy son, Josh

- fascinating read

- btw, this book was turned into a great Paramount-produced movie of the same name ... features Laurence Fishburne as a park-dwelling chess hustler and Ben Kingsley as an intense chess coach

- fun fact: during an exhibition, an 11-year old Josh drew a game with then-world chess champion Garry Kasparov  :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: Cincydawg on October 19, 2017, 07:52:24 AM
Just bought August 1914, by Solzenitsn, which I probably can't spell right.  Haven't started.

Am rereading "The Mote in God's Eye", had not read in ages, and don't think it's nearly as good as I thought when I was 15 or whatever.  Not bad, but nothing special.

I have read everything Bernard Cornwell has even had published.  I went back to read "Pillars of the Earth" a few months back and ended up stopping because the writing did not compare well IMHO with that of Cornwell.

"Playing for Pizza" by Grisham is a must quick read for ANY football fan.  Along the same lines are "Miracle on the 17th Green" and "Miracle at Augusta", all great quick reads.  The latter two are by Patterson, who seems to write a book every couple of weeks, lately cowriting.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 19, 2017, 04:43:53 PM
I've recently been reading the books of the Childe Cycle series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childe_Cycle) by Gordon Dickson. Interesting stuff. I'm on "The Final Encyclopedia" right now, and as I near the end of the published works, I'm really starting to get upset that the final book was never finished before Dickson died...
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Post by: Cincydawg on October 19, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
Dickson's books were "interesting" and unique, I thought, but one thing about most sci fi is that it provides the opportunity to be interesting and unique.

I'd have a hard time finding many similarities in books by Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, et al. in general.
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Post by: MarqHusker on October 19, 2017, 11:16:17 PM
I've returned to 'DeadBall Era' book mode, some really good ones this late summer/fall on The Pitch that Killed (Ray Chapman getting beaned by Carl Mays, and dying after a game in 1920), and biographies on Urban Shocker and one of baseball's original superstars, Napoleon Lajoie.   

I keep putting off finishing 'Is Administrative Law Unlawful?' by Phillip Hamburger, which is outstanding, makes me so angry (as a lawyer), as he tears down so much of what is so wrong with administrative law in this country), and is also incredibly researched (a bear to get through).  I heard he's published a much more accessible pamphlet of sorts on the subject recently.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on October 20, 2017, 09:30:29 AM
Reading Night Soldiers, the first in a long series of Alan Furst's historical WWII spy novels. So far nothing of the usual cat and mouse capers; it's a thorough submerging of its characters into the developing spy networks of the time (mid-1930s). Anyone who has spent time in Europe will appreciate how atmospherically Furst writes the winding settings of life along the eastern Danube, the Spanish Civil War, and underground Paris pre-Nazi invasion.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 20, 2017, 11:39:07 AM
I think air conditioning has led to the south rising as much as anything (and I'm not saying that in a joking manner).
I agree with this.  It isn't the only reason but it is certainly a big part of it.  
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 20, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
Just bought August 1914, by Solzenitsn, which I probably can't spell right.  Haven't started.
Let me know how it is.  Tannenberg is a highly underappreciated battle.  The Germans won, of course, but in the meantime they old Prussian Elite had become nervous due to the Russian hordes invading their homeland.  That nervousness probably ended up costing Germany their best (and probably only) chance to win WWI.  Short version:

When the Prussian Elites raised alarm over the Russian invasion of East Prussia the issue became such that the Imperial General Staff had to respond.  Their response was to transfer an entire army from the Western Front to the Eastern Front to meet the threat.  

Unfortunately for the Germans, this transferred Army was in transit (W->E) when the decisive actions against the Russians occurred in East Prussia and again in transit (E->W) when the Battle of the Marne stopped the German advance into France on the Marne river.  

Notably, the German army that was withdrawn from the Western Front due to the apparent threat in the East was taken from the exact spot where the French discovered and attacked a large gap in the German line.  Had it not been for the Russian invasion of East Prussia these troops would never have been taken off of the Western Front and it is entirely possible that France would have been knocked out of WWI.  Given that Tsarist Russia subsequently collapsed it is entirely possible that this could have dramatically altered the outcome of WWI.  

Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August is a great read about the diplomatic attempts to avoid the war and the early days of WWI.  

WWI is fascinating to me, moreso than WWII.  The technological changes during WWI were, IMHO, even more immense than during WWII.  Look at aircraft, for example.  In the fall of 1914 when the war started the aircraft mostly looked pretty much like the Wright Brother's original flying machine.  They were mostly wood and cloth bi-planes with almost no armor or armament.  By the fall of 1918 there were some very modern-looking all metal monoplanes with substantial armor and armament.  Similarly, on the ground at the beginning of the war Cavalry was a major weapon and rifles were similar to the ones used by the armies of Napoleon and his enemies a century earlier.  By the end of the war there were tanks and machine guns.  

The cultural changes brought on by WWI were also immense.  At the beginning troops in Austria Hungry answered to an Emperor, troops in Russia answered to a Tsar, troops in Germany answered to a Kaiser.  The families of the Emperor, Tsar, and Kaiser had ruled at least parts of their respective lands for centuries.  When the dust settled after WWI the Tsar and his family were all dead and Russia was ruled by a Politburo.  The Austro-Hungarian Emperor died during the war (he was over 80 when it started) and at the end of the war the empire was dissolved into many pieces and his successor lived out his post-war life in Madeira in exile.  The Kaiser fled Germany at the end of the war and lived out his days as an exile in the Netherlands.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on October 20, 2017, 02:00:55 PM
WW I rifles were all fast loading with cartridges fashioned usually after the Mauser, and they were rifles.  The Napoleonic era weapons were muskets, unrifled, and slow loading in the main.  The British had some Rifle Companies but their rifles were even slower to load.  The bolt action was a significant advance in rapidity of fire as was the cartridge.

Other advances were of course in rifled artillery where the French 75 was a breakthrough type weapon and the Germans built monsters like the "Paris Gun", use of railroads (also seen in the US Civil War), entrenchments in the battlefield seldom used in the Napoleonic Wars, and of course poison gas.  And of course naval ships were considerably advanced over 1814.

The Germans at that time were undisputed masters in the field of chemistry.  They had invested the Haber process which meant their explosives were no longer dependent on mining of saltpeter etc.  And they devised use of agents like chlorine and mustard "gas" and phosgene.  The nerve agents did not come along until the mid-1930s from insecticide research, also led by the Germans (and not used in WW 2 by the Germans).

The northern belt of France was pretty much demolished in WW One, including the Champagne region, which led to the strategy in 1940 of fighting the next war defensively and in Belgium.  That didn't work out so well.



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Post by: nuwildcat on November 04, 2017, 06:11:56 AM
I've really been into K-Pop music lately and thought I should learn more about the genre

To that end, I just finished reading The Birth of Korean Cool by Euny Hong

It delves not only into music but also the various facets that have made South Korea a great rags-to-riches story both at home and eventually on 6 continents:

TV dramas, movies, video games, Samsung and even kimchi .... yep, the fermented cabbage

I actually have 2 more Korean pop culture-related books but for variety's sake will read something else next

btw, a not-so-fun fact I didn't know before:

due to the extraordinarily stressful struggle for perfection everyone strives for, South Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world  ~???
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 06, 2017, 02:22:42 PM
You have some strange interests, @nuwildcat (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=28)  :86:

That said, kimchi rocks.

Back on topic, I'm going to start reading Game of Thrones soon, and will also read The Gunslinger (the first book in Stephen King's "The Dark Tower" series that spurred the movie of the same name).
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Post by: nuwildcat on November 08, 2017, 03:20:15 AM
You have some strange interests, @nuwildcat (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=28)  :86:

That said, kimchi rocks.

Back on topic, I'm going to start reading Game of Thrones soon, and will also read The Gunslinger (the first book in Stephen King's "The Dark Tower" series that spurred the movie of the same name).

What can I say, I'm a sucker for hella catchy melodies!

Actually, I may need help
- I'm waiting to get sick of the 12 K-Pop songs I've been listening to ad nauseam 
- it's been over 2 months and I still love (or at least kinda sorta like) 'em ~???
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Post by: Geolion91 on November 08, 2017, 08:03:58 AM
Currently reading "All Quiet on the Western Front"  It has really drawn me into the conditions of trench warfare in WWI.  Also recently read "The Time Machine", by H. G. Wells.
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Post by: nuwildcat on November 19, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Any Dave Barry fans here?

He's been my favorite humor writer since undergrad

Anyway, I just finished Best. State. Ever: A Florida man defends his homeland

Pretty damn funny as per usual
- this time, Barry takes the reader on a virtual tour of the places and people that make Florida a uniquely goofy-ass place

Definitely recommended for those who already like him and his style
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Post by: CWSooner on November 19, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
Let me know how it is.  Tannenberg is a highly underappreciated battle.  The Germans won, of course, but in the meantime they old Prussian Elite had become nervous due to the Russian hordes invading their homeland.  That nervousness probably ended up costing Germany their best (and probably only) chance to win WWI.  Short version:

When the Prussian Elites raised alarm over the Russian invasion of East Prussia the issue became such that the Imperial General Staff had to respond.  Their response was to transfer an entire army from the Western Front to the Eastern Front to meet the threat.  

Unfortunately for the Germans, this transferred Army was in transit (W->E) when the decisive actions against the Russians occurred in East Prussia and again in transit (E->W) when the Battle of the Marne stopped the German advance into France on the Marne river.  

Notably, the German army that was withdrawn from the Western Front due to the apparent threat in the East was taken from the exact spot where the French discovered and attacked a large gap in the German line.  Had it not been for the Russian invasion of East Prussia these troops would never have been taken off of the Western Front and it is entirely possible that France would have been knocked out of WWI.  Given that Tsarist Russia subsequently collapsed it is entirely possible that this could have dramatically altered the outcome of WWI.  

Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August is a great read about the diplomatic attempts to avoid the war and the early days of WWI.  

WWI is fascinating to me, moreso than WWII.  The technological changes during WWI were, IMHO, even more immense than during WWII.  Look at aircraft, for example.  In the fall of 1914 when the war started the aircraft mostly looked pretty much like the Wright Brother's original flying machine.  They were mostly wood and cloth bi-planes with almost no armor or armament.  By the fall of 1918 there were some very modern-looking all metal monoplanes with substantial armor and armament.  Similarly, on the ground at the beginning of the war Cavalry was a major weapon and rifles were similar to the ones used by the armies of Napoleon and his enemies a century earlier.  By the end of the war there were tanks and machine guns.  

The cultural changes brought on by WWI were also immense.  At the beginning troops in Austria Hungry answered to an Emperor, troops in Russia answered to a Tsar, troops in Germany answered to a Kaiser.  The families of the Emperor, Tsar, and Kaiser had ruled at least parts of their respective lands for centuries.  When the dust settled after WWI the Tsar and his family were all dead and Russia was ruled by a Politburo.  The Austro-Hungarian Emperor died during the war (he was over 80 when it started) and at the end of the war the empire was dissolved into many pieces and his successor lived out his post-war life in Madeira in exile.  The Kaiser fled Germany at the end of the war and lived out his days as an exile in the Netherlands.  
WW I rifles were all fast loading with cartridges fashioned usually after the Mauser, and they were rifles.  The Napoleonic era weapons were muskets, unrifled, and slow loading in the main.  The British had some Rifle Companies but their rifles were even slower to load.  The bolt action was a significant advance in rapidity of fire as was the cartridge.

Other advances were of course in rifled artillery where the French 75 was a breakthrough type weapon and the Germans built monsters like the "Paris Gun", use of railroads (also seen in the US Civil War), entrenchments in the battlefield seldom used in the Napoleonic Wars, and of course poison gas.  And of course naval ships were considerably advanced over 1814.

The Germans at that time were undisputed masters in the field of chemistry.  They had invested the Haber process which meant their explosives were no longer dependent on mining of saltpeter etc.  And they devised use of agents like chlorine and mustard "gas" and phosgene.  The nerve agents did not come along until the mid-1930s from insecticide research, also led by the Germans (and not used in WW 2 by the Germans).

The northern belt of France was pretty much demolished in WW One, including the Champagne region, which led to the strategy in 1940 of fighting the next war defensively and in Belgium.  That didn't work out so well.
One of the interesting things about WWI was the extent to which the military establishments of the European powers had failed to learn lessons from the American Civil War.  The ACW demonstrated how the advent of rifles (with their much-longer range than muskets) expanded the killing zone out in front of defending infantry.  This--combined with defenders improving their positions with trenches and/or abatis made it much more difficult for frontal attacks to succeed.  No longer could smooth-bore artillery move close enough to defending infantry to use their anti-personnel ammunition, Napoleon-style--the horses drawing the guns were too easy for rifle-armed defenders to hit.

And rifles themselves improved.  The standard ones were essentially rebarrelled muskets, with reduced bore.  They were muzzle-loaders, just like Napoleonic-era muskets, with paper cartridges that soldiers had to tear open with their teeth, pour the powder down the bore, then push the patch and the Minie ball down with a ramrod.  By the end of the war there were many units equipped with breech-loading rifles and carbines, and even some repeating, metallic-cartridge rifles.

So defending armies went to ground, entrenched, and put up barricades, and attacking armies usually lost.  Cavalry moved to the margins of the battlefield, being used for reconnaissance and security missions, and occasionally in economy-of-force roles, such as Buford's division on Day 1 of Gettysburg, but virtually never in frontal charges except against other cavalry (Custer's fight against elements of Stuart's command east of Union lines at Gettysburg on Day 3 is a good example) or disorganized, scattered, or retreating infantry.

The bayonet became less important.  There was some prevalent humor that the only bayonet wounds delivered were in the backs of soldiers who were already breaking.  Bayonets didn't become useless, but because the killing zone of defensive positions had so increased in depth, bayonet charges seldom reached their objectives.

All of this was there for the European armies to learn, but they mostly didn't.  They wrote off the lessons of the ACW as the product of mass, poorly trained armies fighting under the command of amateur generals.  They had to experience the horrible offensives of 1915 before they learned the truth.
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Post by: nuwildcat on December 08, 2017, 04:31:34 AM
I just finished Pure Dynamite, an autobiography by Tom Billington (aka 'The Dynamite Kid', member of the old school wrestling tag team British Bulldogs)

Quite eye-opening and candid .... perhaps unsurprising given it wasn't published by the WWE (which tends to have watered-down, tame, formulaic crap such as those by Rey Mysterio, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, etc.)

The only exceptions to this were the WWE-published books by Mick Foley (aka 'Mankind')
- his were amazing 'cuz he's such a gifted writer

That said, THE very best wrestling-related autobiography is Hitman: My real life in the cartoon world of wrestling by Bret 'the Hitman' Hart
- this along with Andre Agassi's Open are easily the best sports autobiographies I've read ... highly recommended if you're remotely interested in either genre or person
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Post by: Geolion91 on December 08, 2017, 12:14:43 PM
Any Dave Barry fans here?

He's been my favorite humor writer since undergrad

Anyway, I just finished Best. State. Ever: A Florida man defends his homeland

Pretty damn funny as per usual
- this time, Barry takes the reader on a virtual tour of the places and people that make Florida a uniquely goofy-ass place

Definitely recommended for those who already like him and his style
I love Dave Barry.  I haven't read anything of his for quite awhile.  I need to go see what he has that I haven't read yet.
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Post by: nuwildcat on December 08, 2017, 06:28:16 PM
I love Dave Barry.  I haven't read anything of his for quite awhile.  I need to go see what he has that I haven't read yet.
He's been the model of consistency ever since I discovered him

That said, I'm not crazy about his fiction (read Tricky business when it came out [his 1st novel] and it was meh at best ... have no desire to read any others)
I definitely much prefer his simple observations about the world around him
btw, his weekly Miami Herald column appeared in the Sunday paper here in Chicago as well
- I miss those
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Post by: nuwildcat on December 21, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
Just finished Blaine Harden's Escape from Camp 14

It's a biography about Shin Dong-hyuk, the only person born and raised in a North Korean political prison camp known to have escaped.

Easily one of the most disturbing titles I've ever read but also one of the most enlightening.

Learning about the horrific conditions and human right atrocities in NK is hella uncomfortable but I still highly recommend this book.  
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Post by: huskerdinie on December 24, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
As an aside, the Civil War suffers from recency bias in the face of WW II, when it comes to contemporary comprehension.  Nothing can really be done about that, given the advantages WW II has over the Civil War.  The fact that we still have veterans,  not to mention documentation out the wazoo in the form of video, audio and other media.

That isn't to say the Civil War (its history) is w/o its supporters, on the contrary,  it is unbelievable the volume of material which exists which chronicles nearly every conceivable angle of the war.   I just find the war underappreciated in a general sense for how destructive and life altering it was for our country.
speaking of Civil War books, I have a ton of Civil War, Custer's Last Stand / Battlefield, etc books that were in my father's library at home and when he passed away six years ago, I inherited all of them along with all our genealogy work he and I had done over the past twenty years.  I have downsized and moved to a much smaller place, so I need to find a home for them.  I had thought of donating to the Lincoln library system, or the State Historical Society, but the society probably won't take them cause of not being specific to Nebraska history.  So.....

If you (or anyone else on this board) are interested, I would be happy to give them to someone who has an interest in that era.  PM me for more info if interested.  
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Post by: TyphonInc on January 18, 2018, 12:43:56 PM
I've started reading Parenting from the Inside Out By Daniel J. Siegel, M.D.

It's an interesting read on how we were raised leads to how we are going to raise our own children, and being aware of that can lead to making better, more enjoyable decisions.

Good Stuff.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 01:18:04 PM
I'm currently slogging through Tolstoy's War and Peace. It's plodding, but a somewhat interesting take on Russia's involvement in the Napoleonic Wars and the life of the Russian aristocracy. I give it about two stars.
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Post by: Entropy on January 18, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
I recently read The Dog Stars by Peter Heller.    I enjoyed it.  Similar to the Road, but not as depressing.   Quick read too, so it was perfect for a vacation.

from amazon:

Hig somehow survived the flu pandemic that killed everyone he knows. Now his wife is gone, his friends are dead, and he lives in the hangar of a small abandoned airport with his dog, Jasper, and a mercurial, gun-toting misanthrope named Bangley.
 
But when a random transmission beams through the radio of his 1956 Cessna, the voice ignites a hope deep inside him that a better life exists outside their tightly controlled perimeter. Risking everything, he flies past his point of no return and follows its static-broken trail, only to find something that is both better and worse than anything he could ever hope for.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2018, 03:20:32 PM
I'm currently slogging through Tolstoy's War and Peace. It's plodding, but a somewhat interesting take on Russia's involvement in the Napoleonic Wars and the life of the Russian aristocracy. I give it about two stars.
Hated it. I feel like it's an inside joke for people who slogged through it to ask other people to read it to share their misery.
At no point in that book did I care about what happened to any particular character. At no point was there any discernible central conflict that was built towards or overcome.
It would be like reading the combined biographies of the middle management layer at GE. They all think they're important [and in their own way they are], but from the outside nobody actually particularly cares what they do because their contribution to anything is only tangential to the overall arc of the corporation.
Only, we're supposed to care for some reason. Because it's 1100 pages and about the Russian aristocracy? 
No, it's a slog. It's a terrible book, start to finish. Stop now, because if you're expecting it to improve, you're going to be disappointed.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 18, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
One of the interesting things about WWI was the extent to which the military establishments of the European powers had failed to learn lessons from the American Civil War.  The ACW demonstrated how the advent of rifles (with their much-longer range than muskets) expanded the killing zone out in front of defending infantry.  This--combined with defenders improving their positions with trenches and/or abatis made it much more difficult for frontal attacks to succeed.  No longer could smooth-bore artillery move close enough to defending infantry to use their anti-personnel ammunition, Napoleon-style--the horses drawing the guns were too easy for rifle-armed defenders to hit.

And rifles themselves improved.  The standard ones were essentially rebarrelled muskets, with reduced bore.  They were muzzle-loaders, just like Napoleonic-era muskets, with paper cartridges that soldiers had to tear open with their teeth, pour the powder down the bore, then push the patch and the Minie ball down with a ramrod.  By the end of the war there were many units equipped with breech-loading rifles and carbines, and even some repeating, metallic-cartridge rifles.

So defending armies went to ground, entrenched, and put up barricades, and attacking armies usually lost.  Cavalry moved to the margins of the battlefield, being used for reconnaissance and security missions, and occasionally in economy-of-force roles, such as Buford's division on Day 1 of Gettysburg, but virtually never in frontal charges except against other cavalry (Custer's fight against elements of Stuart's command east of Union lines at Gettysburg on Day 3 is a good example) or disorganized, scattered, or retreating infantry.

The bayonet became less important.  There was some prevalent humor that the only bayonet wounds delivered were in the backs of soldiers who were already breaking.  Bayonets didn't become useless, but because the killing zone of defensive positions had so increased in depth, bayonet charges seldom reached their objectives.

All of this was there for the European armies to learn, but they mostly didn't.  They wrote off the lessons of the ACW as the product of mass, poorly trained armies fighting under the command of amateur generals.  They had to experience the horrible offensives of 1915 before they learned the truth.
That is truly amazing.  In retrospect, the battles toward the end of the ACW very much resembled the trench warfare of WWI.  On top of that, most of the European powers had military observers operating near the ACW battles so they *SHOULD* have learned those lessons and they *SHOULD* have seen trench warfare coming.  
I think the thing that blinded the Europeans to this was that there were two European wars fought after the ACW where trenches were not an issue:
Neither of these two wars lasted long enough for trenches and attrition-based warfare to become terribly relevant.  
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2018, 03:58:33 PM
Enjoying The Big Roads: (Untold story of the engineers......who created America's superhighways) by E. Swift.   As with train travel, I'm fascinated by the U.S. Interstate system.    This book is great on gory details before the Federal Highway Act, which of course (Ike) Eisenhower always ends up receiving credit for, when in truth the whole design and planning had been a work in progress for decades, thanks to some tireless engineers, innovators and pioneers.   Great back stories on these people.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
And then along game the machine gun. If the repeating and rifled rifle transformed the battlefield, the machine gun overwhelmed it.

And to think that 60 years after the charge of the light brigade, the cavalry began the Great War still riding horses.
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And as to Tolstoy, I'm currently on 1121 of 1453 pages. It's too late to stop now. I nearly did between the Napoleonic wars as his focus on the characters' personal lives and constant discussion of their feelings was intensely boring. I generally agree with you: I don't care much about the characters. I'm mostly interested in Tolstoy's characterization of the French invasion. From time to time I'm interested in his individualist/existential philosophy. I've seen that War and Peace has many times been called "one of the greatest novels ever written." That is absurd, although I do have a friend/neighbor who swears it is his favorite. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
Yep. You got stuck in the same thing I did.

"I don't care, but I'm too far along NOT to finish."

I was so unhappy with the book that I sort-of reviewed it (http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2011/02/21/war-and-peace/)... 
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2018, 05:14:57 PM
I like reading Russian history, but have stayed far away from War & Peace, no thanks.    The history of the Kremlin was remarkably good (Red Fortress) as was the history of Siberia, the exhile part (The House of the Dead, Siberian Exile Under the Tsars).   Still a grind at times.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 18, 2018, 05:20:39 PM
Yep. You got stuck in the same thing I did.

"I don't care, but I'm too far along NOT to finish."

I was so unhappy with the book that I sort-of reviewed it (http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2011/02/21/war-and-peace/)...
I liked your review.  One of the things that I find difficult with Russian literature is remembering the names.  It seems like they are all odd, they all have about 40 letters, and they all sound somewhat alike when I pronounce them in my head.  The problem this creates for me is that I can never seem to remember which character is which such that I end up spending an inordinate amount of time trying to figure that out.  Honestly, it would be at least 80% easier for me if the translators simply replaced the Russian names with Americanized English names that are familiar to me.  
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
My problem with classic Russian literature is that it punishes the reader with the same fatalism it espouses. Read this because you are supposed to, and suffer the same mind-numbing drudgery the novelist attempts to elicit as the cause and result of so much of [classic] Russian society's ills. 

I'm reading War and Peace largely because I was complaining to my neighbor about what a slog Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment was (the Tell Tale Heart, just a lot longer and made as boring as possible--and ok, with sort of a tale of redemption at the end). His reaction was to agree, then to suggest War and Peace as the antidote (it is his favorite novel!).

And thus the punishment continues. I've had several people tell me I should really read Anna Karenina for good Tolstoy and the Brothers Karamazov for good Dostoyevsky, but I'm thinking fool me once...
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 18, 2018, 06:33:49 PM
I'm currently slogging through Tolstoy's War and Peace. It's plodding, but a somewhat interesting take on Russia's involvement in the Napoleonic Wars and the life of the Russian aristocracy. I give it about two stars.
Good on you for slogging through on your own. My slogging was captained by a Literature professor my SR year. Would've never read all 1400 pages if not required by a class. Either way a tough haul to include the literal weight of the novel.

As for the novel's grand status, IMO it stands mostly because of its sheer ambition which is successfully executed in parallel with its exposition on the history of the time. From a reading standpoint Andrei, Natasha, Helene, and Pierre are strong characters in a literary sense, with memorable key scenes (i.e. Helene in the theater, Andrei's tree, and Napolea's intro in the tub) but the towering volume of the text renders many scenes forgettable. 

As for Tolstoy's existential Philosophy, he was heavily influenced and moved by Arthur Schopenhauer's philosophical opus "The World as Will and Representation," which is one of the seeds of Existentialism and a great influence on his more famous academic successors such as Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, and Hegel. (I think he was professor of all three.)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 06:40:18 PM
And, regarding your *sort of review,* it strikes that the view of war as necessity is fatalist, too [edit, I realize you are exploring that view and to some degree taking issue with it]: there are plenty of examples of problems solved without the kind of large scale violence Heinlein and others nod to. Also, that kind of view is often used to excuse mass bloodshed as a necessity. I suppose Tolstoy would argue the Great War (WWI) was a necessity to free Europe of its prior bonds, which, presumably leads to the Second World War to deal with the problems the Treaty of Versailles caused. Was it really necessary to kill, what, 90 million(?) people because the old monarchs couldn't check their egos? If so, yikes.

But it does remind me of a conversation I had with someone recently that is obliquely relevant to the end of the Russian monarchy. Some people (and often libertarians) like to say, "the market will solve the problem." That is essentially a universal truth if what you mean by market is kind of a social Darwinism. The problem is the market's solution is usually disruptive. For the taxi drivers of the world, it's ridesharing and you nod your head and think, ok, so that's a dirsruption for the cab driver, but good for me. Hooray for the market solution.

But for the aristocracy, absolute reliance on the "market solution" led to the guillotine and the Bolsheviks, neither of which is particularly attractive. "The Glorious Revolution" wasn't so glorious for the English monarchy. The lure of traditional liberal democracy is the idea that through the consent and participation of the governed, we can solve problems without resorting to large-scale bloodshed. Since the Civil War, the U.S. largely has solved domestic issues that way. India provides a pretty good example of even national rule changing as a result of liberal democratic values and process.

This is not to suggest that change in liberal democracy is easy or painless, only that you don't have to kill millions of people to get it. However, it only works if the people consent and participate, which requires that they have some ownership in it and believe it is to their advantage to do so. One of the more interesting facets to that is how property rights factor in. Things to keep you up at night.

On a interstate level, the proliferation of interstate trade, which can give countries a real stake in the stability of other countries, has some potential to pacify international relations. Indeed, the world has been a safer place since WW2 as "western" countries were united by trade. Again, the flow and distribution of capital are critical--and things to keep you up at night.

I suppose I'm trending way too far into politics here, but whatever.  :-)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
As for the novel's grand status, IMO it stands mostly because of its sheer ambition which is successfully executed in parallel with its exposition on the history of the time. From a reading standpoint Andrei, Natasha, Helene, and Pierre are strong characters in a literary sense, with memorable key scenes (i.e. Helene in the theater, Andrei's tree, and Napolea's intro in the tub) but the towering volume of the text renders many scenes forgettable.
I will concede that at the outset, I was intrigued to learn what would happen to these characters (and others). But good lord, by the middle of the period between the wars JUST GET TO THE POINT ALREADY!!!!
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Post by: MaximumSam on January 18, 2018, 07:04:10 PM
Speaking of long book, I started Pillars of the Earth a few days ago.  I'm enjoying it, though still working to find good reading spots in the new house.  I realized we have a distinct lack of lamps.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2018, 08:02:26 PM
I'm reading War and Peace largely because I was complaining to my neighbor about what a slog Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment was (the Tell Tale Heart, just a lot longer and made as boring as possible--and ok, with sort of a tale of redemption at the end). His reaction was to agree, then to suggest War and Peace as the antidote (it is his favorite novel!).
I actually enjoyed Crime and Punishment more. I thought it was more of a page-turner, i.e. pulp literature, so I don't think it necessarily has earned particular accolades. But it was an entertaining read, and held my interest.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2018, 08:07:37 PM
And, regarding your *sort of review,* 
To be honest, upon re-reading it I'm not entirely even sure where my head was at that point... I know I was delving deeply into currency issues during that period, I think we were kinda into (and then out of) the Arab Spring, and I'm not entirely sure what else was going on. 
I still do think that the the world is changing at a rate that society is simply not ready for due to the internet. I'm not sure if something is going to "break" in such a fatalistic sense as I might have said then, but I'm also not sure it's not going to happen. I still feel that we're on the precipice of something, and we haven't quite figured out how to deal with it.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 18, 2018, 08:41:58 PM
speaking of Civil War books, I have a ton of Civil War, Custer's Last Stand / Battlefield, etc books that were in my father's library at home and when he passed away six years ago, I inherited all of them along with all our genealogy work he and I had done over the past twenty years.  I have downsized and moved to a much smaller place, so I need to find a home for them.  I had thought of donating to the Lincoln library system, or the State Historical Society, but the society probably won't take them cause of not being specific to Nebraska history.  So.....

If you (or anyone else on this board) are interested, I would be happy to give them to someone who has an interest in that era.  PM me for more info if interested. 
If you can't find a good home for them, find a used bookstore and sell/donate them there.  They'll end up in a better place than a dumpster.  That's what I've done with a lot of my old books, including some I never got around to reading.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 18, 2018, 08:47:01 PM
That is truly amazing.  In retrospect, the battles toward the end of the ACW very much resembled the trench warfare of WWI.  On top of that, most of the European powers had military observers operating near the ACW battles so they *SHOULD* have learned those lessons and they *SHOULD* have seen trench warfare coming.
I think the thing that blinded the Europeans to this was that there were two European wars fought after the ACW where trenches were not an issue:
  • The Austro-Prussian war was fought in 1866 and only lasted barely over a month.  Prussia absolutely routed Austria and annexed most of what would become Germany.  
  • The Franco-Prussian war was fought in 1870-71 and only lasted half a year.  The Prussians absolutely routed the French and united most German-speaking people to form the German Empire and the furthest extent of German territorial control (other than temporary wartime control during WWI and WWII).  
Neither of these two wars lasted long enough for trenches and attrition-based warfare to become terribly relevant.
Yes.  Those two short wars, smallish by the standards of both the ACW and the 1914 collision of the armies, fooled 'em.
But there was still snobbery reference the ACW.  The attitude was, "What have the grubby Americans done that could possibly be of any value to us?"
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Post by: CWSooner on January 18, 2018, 08:51:36 PM
Has anyone here read Moby-Dick?  I haven't, and probably never will, but I recently read an interesting interpretation of it on the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge.

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The novel has also been read as being critical of the contemporary literary and philosophical movement Transcendentalism, attacking the thought of leading Transcendentalist Ralph Waldo Emerson in particular. The life and death of Ahab has been read as an attack on Emerson's philosophy of self reliance, for one, in its destructive potential and potential justification for egoism. Richard Chase writes that for Melville, 'Death–spiritual, emotional, physical–is the price of self-reliance when it is pushed to the point of solipsism, where the world has no existence apart from the all-sufficient self.' In that regard, Chase sees Melville's art as antithetical to that of Emerson's thought, in that Melville '[points] up the dangers of an exaggerated self-regard, rather than, as [...] Emerson loved to do, [suggested] the vital possibilities of the self.' Newton Arvin further suggests that self-reliance was, for Melville, really the '[masquerade in kingly weeds of] a wild egoism, anarchic, irresponsible, and destructive.'
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 18, 2018, 09:14:19 PM
Sooner, my first thought (without reflecting on this too much) is that Melville's extensive days at sea in the late 1830s and early 1840s probably disillusioned his Emerson instilled beliefs in the infinite virtuosity of individualistic self-sufficiency.

If so, I don't think Melville was articulating a full rejection of self-sufficiency as an ideal or virtue, but rather indicating that self-sufficiency sure as hell has its limits and Ahab is what it looks like when those limits fail, not only for the individual but to those around him.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 19, 2018, 02:10:00 AM
I read Moby Dick two or three years ago. I don't recommend it. Could have made a good short story. It wasn't a good novel.

As for what Melville was critiquing, God only knows. Some of what he has to say about whaling is interesting, and the story--if compressed--could be a good one. As it is, not so much.

I don't know if Moby Dick was the result of it, but thank goodness authors are no longer paid by the word.

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Bwar: I think a lot about the changes in the world right now and the potential for global cataclysm. Not so much from phallus measuring contests with North Korea which I regard as a sideshow, despite all the breath wasted on it, but three things bother me: (1) competition for scarce resources, particularly energy; (2) climate changes that cause forced migration, rapid changes in available resources, and ensuing conflicts; and (3) bit-part allies of larger, globally important countries that drag them into wars for no good reason other than no one was willing to say, "wait, this doesn't make any sense" (see, e.g., World War I).

There is little doubt that we're seeing a change from the world order of the last 70 years (the Pax Americana). There are lots of reasons to worry about where it is headed, but I'm hoping that economic ties between the three currently most important powers, the US., the E.U., and China, continue to give us reasons to support stability, rather than getting into shooting wars because our allies do dumb things. But hope is not a method.

If I were the Russians, while I would appreciate getting access to the sea and middle eastern oil resources, and having a good laugh at the U.S.'s expense, while keeping western European prime ministers up at night, I would be more worried about the threat China poses to the south. There is a reason China is rapidly building its naval fleet, and it's not because capital ships are cool to look at.
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Post by: Geolion91 on January 19, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
Has anyone here read Moby-Dick?  I haven't, and probably never will, but I recently read an interesting interpretation of it on the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge.

I read it a looong time ago, when it hit the bestsellers list (jk).  I really don't remember a lot of the details, but I did enjoy it.
Often times, I think people go into these interpretations of novels so others can see how brilliant they are.  I believe most novels are written for the reader to enjoy a story.  Authors do often insert their ideology into the stories (i.e. "The Jungle"), but I doubt, in most cases, they were trying to make some deep philosophical point.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 19, 2018, 08:54:15 PM
Sooner, my first thought (without reflecting on this too much) is that Melville's extensive days at sea in the late 1830s and early 1840s probably disillusioned his Emerson instilled beliefs in the infinite virtuosity of individualistic self-sufficiency.

If so, I don't think Melville was articulating a full rejection of self-sufficiency as an ideal or virtue, but rather indicating that self-sufficiency sure as hell has its limits and Ahab is what it looks like when those limits fail, not only for the individual but to those around him.
Catsby:
Well, the review I quoted does say "the dangers of an exaggerated self-regard," which I think is pretty much what you are saying.
I think that the Melville's time at sea, as you mention, impressed on him the interconnectedness of us all.  If Melville was totally rejecting Emerson, perhaps he saw him as going beyond mere self-reliance into self-absorption.
I am reminded of the at the beginning of Patton, where the general speaks in an auditorium to his assembled troops.  His real lines got bowdlerized a bit in the movie.
"An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, and fights as a team. This individual hero stuff is bullshit. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real battle than they do about f***ing."
The crew of a sailing ship thousands of miles from home is also a team, on which the simplest little error by one man can lead to disaster for all.
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Post by: huskerdinie on January 20, 2018, 11:42:14 AM
If you can't find a good home for them, find a used bookstore and sell/donate them there.  They'll end up in a better place than a dumpster.  That's what I've done with a lot of my old books, including some I never got around to reading.
I did that with a lot of my sister's old romance books, and some of my old science fiction books years ago, but Lincoln has lost a lot of used bookstores that I used to frequent - I will have to check and see if any remaining stores are taking these types of books.  If not, maybe a garage sale or the library for its yearly book sale.  Good suggestion; I had completely forgot about used bookstores, lol.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 20, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
I've donated to the public library quite a bit. I think they essentially just resell the books, rather than putting them into circulation for lending. But a lot of people get benefit from the public library system, so I figure it's probably a better thing for everyone than selling them at pennies on the dollar to a used bookstore.
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Post by: huskerdinie on January 21, 2018, 04:09:41 PM
Yeah, that is what our library does; they have a  yearly book sale plus every library has a book nook, where used books are on display to buy - like 50 cents for paperbacks and $1 for hardcover.  I have filled out a few missing books in series I collect from the book nook.  I just want someone to get good use out of the books my dad spent years collecting and are duplicates of the ones I have.  
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 23, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
I'm reading War and Peace largely because I was complaining to my neighbor about what a slog Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment was (the Tell Tale Heart, just a lot longer and made as boring as possible--and ok, with sort of a tale of redemption at the end). His reaction was to agree, then to suggest War and Peace as the antidote (it is his favorite novel!).
The antidote (or antithesis) to weighty Russian Realism is Anton Chekhov, especially his short stories. He's more famous in his time as a playwright, and along the way, writing plays and seeing how much could be said with less, and reading bulky Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky editions, he wondered if just as much could be conveyed by shorter means.
Before you read Karenina try Chekhov's 20 page "Lady with the Dog." It's essentially the same story as Karenini, but uses Impressionism to strongly convey and emphasize a similar emotional footprint without bogging itself down in details or creating an exhaustive day to day world.
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Post by: utee94 on January 23, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
^^^^

Excellent points. I actually enjoyed the weighty Russian Realism of Dostoyevsky and Tostoy, but as a thespian I appreciated Anton Chekhov even more.   For my senior-directed final exam in high school theater, I adapted a version of The Seagull and it turned out really well.


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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 02, 2018, 12:55:39 PM
War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy: A Middle-Aged Nerd’s Review

Seriously this book is too long. Way too long. Setting that aside, the substance?

Russia’s participation in the Napoleonic Wars, particularly in 1807 and 1812 draws his subjects, members of the Russian aristocracy, together. The novel opens with the middle-aged aristocrats worried about war with the genius French leader, Napoleon. Young men drink, fight, and generally act irresponsibly. Those with higher social standing escape serious consequences; those with lower standing join the military. Some of the aristocracy join the military out of a sense of duty, but most do not. The women focus on social intrigue and finding the right matches for their families. The aristocracy appears to value women for their outward beauty and their ability to draw a crowd; it values men for their wealth.

The Russians, in alliance with Austria, face Napoleon’s French army at Austerlitz in 1807. They believe they will win and have the plan to do so. They also have a Tsar that the Russians just adore—he’s just so wonderful! (But it turns out that he’s no military leader.) The Army fails to follow its plan—as it, and every other army, always does—and the French route the Russians (the Austrians are of no help). During this disaster, one of our aristocratic heroes (it doesn’t really matter who) appears to die a hero’s death.

Russia and France make peace and become allies. No one is entirely sure why, but it happens. Without a war to distract us, Tolstoy wants to make sure (as he has from the beginning) that everyone thinks through every moment of every social interaction. No seriously, he doesn’t want you to forget that. Which makes you think through every moment of reading this section of the novel (as in, “why am I still reading this drivel?”). Oh, and it turns out our hero didn’t really die, but his wife, whom he didn’t like anyway, dies, basically of a broken heart, during child birth. He doesn’t really care much about his son.

Oh, and another of our aristocratic heroes is married to a wife he also doesn’t like, but who is very popular…especially with other men. That doesn’t mean that she cheats on him—she probably does—but he thinks another member of the aristocracy (though a lower, less important member) takes advantage of this. They fight a duel. Everyone lives, though there are some injuries; I forget exactly what. It’s a big scandal and our hero is embarrassed. He begins trying to find the meaning of life.

The young, frivolous girls become young frivolous teenagers. They are confused by their emotions, but because this is the 19th century aristocracy, they are all due to find husbands. This leads to problems because they are frivolous teenagers engaging with adult men (but not sex problems because—the Scarlet Letter notwithstanding—this is a 19th century novel).

Seriously, why am I still reading this book?

Anyway, one of our heroes—the one wounded at Austerlitz—is supposed to marry one of the frivolous teens; it falls apart because they aren’t around each other for about a year (what happens in between doesn’t really matter, except that the teen is a little impulsive). They break off the engagement. That’s bad for the teen’s family because they are slowly going broke and they were hoping a marriage to another, richer aristocrat’s family would shore things up. The other hero is still trying to find the meaning of life, but failing.

Stuff happens. Tolstoy keeps reminding us that in Every. Single. Interaction. Everyone. Thinks. A lot. And. Has. Emotions. But I’m still reading. For some reason.

Ok, some years pass, some stuff happens, and Napoleon invades Russia (now it’s 1812). Well, it’s not really Napoleon, it’s just a bunch of people associated with Napoleon (including Napoleon) and its everyone’s fault and no one’s fault—including definitely not Napoleon (except that it sort of is). Russia will handle this all just fine.

Oops, it just lost the battle at Smolensk. Very bad. Now the Tsar appeals to the aristocrats for more soldiers, and gets some (but not as many as they could give, if they were being realistic). Between our two major heroes, the one who miraculously survived the battle of Austerlitz returns to the army. The other doesn’t, but wonders if he should. The women continue to fret over their families and whether the teens/young women will find suitable matches.

At the battle of Borodino, just outside of Moscow, the non-Army hero (still searching for the meaning of life) wanders around getting in the way of things, is nearly killed (but escapes injury), and is basically a nuisance, though Tolstoy doesn’t call him that. Our other hero is once again heroically injured in battle, and probably dies. Oh, nope. He survives…maybe. This time his injury appears much worse—he remains in critical condition.

The Russians win (?) the battle at Borodino, and Napoleon has basically nothing to do with any of it, because he never really does, except when he does, but he doesn’t. Ever. Sort of. Despite winning the battle, feeling undermanned, the Russian general pulls the Army back, out of Moscow, leaving it to the French. Our meaning of life hero continues to wander around trying to do something. Anything. The French arrest him for being a decent human being.

Our critical condition hero is reunited with his lost teen love, who loves him again because he is critically ill. He’s really touch and go, people. We don’t know whether he will make it. Then he doesn’t. But he has like a four-day period of clarity in which he knows he will die, figures out that love is the meaning of life, loves everyone, but treats them badly because he knows that he’s figured it all out and is about to die, then he dies. Everyone is very sad. Please don’t forget that in Every. Single. Interaction. Everyone. Thinks. A lot. And. Has. Emotions.

Our meaning of life hero remains a prisoner of war and the French force-march him back towards Smolensk as they try to flee Russia. The Russian commanding general knows the French army is disintegrating without him having to do anything, so he keeps trying to keep the generals under him from doing anything. It doesn’t really work, so people die unnecessarily. Remember, the people in charge aren’t really in charge, except when they are, but they still really aren’t. Oh, and he is an underappreciated hero because he recognized all this was happening, but he still didn’t have any control. So why is he a hero again? This point isn’t clear. But he’s underappreciated.

Some of the side characters that you continue to try to remember whenever they show up (except the guy with the lisp, he’s easy to spot), show up again when they attack a destitute French unit. They free our meaning of life hero. He still hasn’t done anything, but he appears closer to finding the meaning of life, particularly after putting his closest friend in the forced march out of his mind as the French execute the poor guy because he’s sick.

The French retreat—as we know from history—is a disaster. But Tolstoy reminds the nerd in us just how bad it was. Seriously, people, don’t invade Russia at the beginning of winter without adequate supplies and a supply line. Hitler would forget this only about 100 years later. Thank goodness.

Ok, so remember that meaning of life hero didn’t like his wife much? Well she died. So now he marries impulsive teen girl who was sad when critical condition hero died, but now she loves him, so that’s good. Meaning of life hero has discovered that none of this except love really matters, so that’s what he cares about now. And he’s totally whipped—so is she, by the way, so that’s cool. And two other mostly important, but not critically important, characters also marry, which also rescues the failing aristocratic family’s wealth. They love each other, too, despite their flaws. Oh, remember critical condition hero’s son, that he didn’t care about? You don’t either, but he’s still around. Whatever. But please don’t forget that in Every. Single. Interaction. Everyone. Thinks. A lot. And. Has. Emotions.

Ok, ok, enough already. But I’m almost finished, so I have to keep going. After 1300+ pages of fatalism, Tolstoy wraps a nice, neat bow on things and everyone lives happily ever after (and stops paying attention to the Napoleonic wars, which actually aren’t over, but who cares?). Seriously. Everyone still alive is good. They have their issues—we all do—but everyone’s happy. Except the old countess. She’s old, sad, and we should pity her.

A couple of side notes: 1) Tolstoy both values women more than he thinks others do, but is still sure they are second class citizens. He leaves us knowing that a woman’s character is more important than her beauty, so that’s nice. 2) There are a lot of peasants in this book. But screw them, they are unimportant. Nonetheless, Tolstoy doesn’t like that military leaders don’t seem to mind the deaths of the soldiers or the populace around the war. War and killing are bad. Don’t forget that. But also don’t worry about the little people; they don’t matter.

I think nearly every writer starts his or her novel trying to make a grander point. At heart, Tolstoy was really trying to use War and Peace to let us know that modern philosophy and science-y stuff are all misguided: we are screwed, have no free will even though we want to believe that we do, and divine providence is more important than modern folks give it (“Him”) credit for. Oh, and some stuff about love.

His problem is that after 1400 pages he thinks he may have been too subtle. So he goes on for another fifty pages with his undergraduate senior thesis in logic on why free will is a farce, and all of these so-called leaders are shams. He knows you will keep reading; you got this far, right? Right. I read it.

The notes on the back cover call this “the greatest novel ever written.” Nope. It has some decent moments, and Tolstoy has some decent observations (along with a lot of bad ones), and to someone like me the military history part of the novel is interesting. But fundamentally—like this review—this book is Way. Too. Long.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 25, 2018, 09:48:13 AM
Reading the 2011 Pulitzer winning novel "A Visit From The Goon Squad" by Jennifer Egan.
It's a friendlier Modernist style text, using a series of short stories related not by plot but rather through the character's different, un-sequenced stages of life. It probably takes two reads to grasp; much of the text presumes the reader has figured out how it will end. And through it all there's plenty of thematic dwelling on the theme of time's passing, especially in the case of the music industry.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 15, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
Looking through last year’s reading list, read 23 books in 2018, mostly Novels, almost all read before football season, about a half-dozen re-reads from previous years, the highlights of the new reads: Empire Falls by Richard Russo, The Reader by Bernhard Schlink, and Blue Highways by William Least Heat-Moon. 

Starting this year with My Brilliant Friend by the Italian writer Elena Ferrante. You might’ve heard of it from HBO’s ongoing miniseries, filmed in Italy and fully scripted in Italian. The novels themselves are translated from Italian and might be partly why the writing comes across so refreshingly matter-of-fact. No flashbacks, nor much recounting of family history; just a total immersion into late-50s/early-60s Napoli Italy.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 15, 2019, 12:47:52 PM
I think I'm probably somewhere between 15 and 18 in 2018... Sometimes tough to tell because I don't recall whether the books I bought in Dec 2017 on the Kindle were read in 2018, but I think so. I should try to up that for 2019, but my work travel schedule has been lighter lately and that's when I do the bulk of my reading. 

I might have to go to Thailand this year though, so that's good for at least 4 books on all those flights.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 17, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
I'm reading Ron Chernow's new biography of Ulysses S. Grant, titled Grant.

He's mostly positive about Grant, admitting two problems: Grant was an alcoholic and he couldn't spot a con man if his life depended on it.
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 18, 2019, 01:57:27 PM
 Grant was an alcoholic and he couldn't spot a con man if his life depended on it.
Or the roughly 60,000 Rebs in the woods/hills of Cold Harbor.
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Post by: MrNubbz on May 30, 2019, 07:03:38 PM
From Blood,Sweat and Arrogance,The Myths of Churchill's War,by Gordon Corrigan(Finished)
About myths of Churchill's & Monty's caustic narrative that exposes just how close Britain came to losing

Eisenhower's Armies,by Dr Niall Barr(finished)

Guns at Last Light,by Rick Atkinson

Both about the battles,Armies and personalities during WWII in the ETO

oh and Bernard Law Montgomery was a filthy,lying,fook
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Post by: MarqHusker on May 30, 2019, 09:09:06 PM
I'm really enjoying
'Freedom's Detective', The Secret Service, the KKK, and the Man Who Masterminded the U.S.' First War on Terror.  (Charles Lane).
Story of Hiram Whitley, who has quite the biography, among other accomplishment's the Secret Service's 2nd (and first real) ever director and a man who infiltrates the KKK, captures fugitive slaves and pursues the killers of a prominent Georgia politician.
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Post by: CWSooner on May 31, 2019, 12:06:59 AM
About 3 weeks ago, I bought The Pentagon Papers at Barnes & Noble.  Fat hardback for $9.99, IIRC.  It's got some interesting stuff in it.  Long ago, I had a paperback copy, but it has disappeared somewhere along the way.

I've also been reading Mornings on Horseback, the story of the young Theodore Roosevelt, by David McCullough.  It's a typical good read from McCullough.
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 01, 2019, 10:27:11 AM
I reread "Red Badge of Courage" a few years back after hating it in HS and found it quite good.

I have become addicted to the Michael Connelly books.  The Bosch series on A Prime is also quite good I think.  I enjoy conflicted lawman books.



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Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 03, 2019, 12:02:34 PM
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]Reading Empire Falls by Richard Russo after first reading last year. The novel is total immersion in the post-manufacturing years of a small town in Maine. Whereas a lot of novels and personal histories make a big point of leaving your hometown for the sake of following bigger opportunities, this novel illustrates answer to what happens to those who never leave where they grew up. The stayers. At age 70, one of the character’s only motive, as has been for his last 40 years, is to make it down to Key West before the coming winter.[/font][/font]

Maybe it’s the type of reader I am but there’s so much more to the second rather than the first reading of a book. All my favorite books I’ve had to read at least twice to appreciate.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 07, 2021, 05:58:17 PM
I just received my first book ever, to read (other than mandatory crap throughout my education).


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Post by: bamajoe on January 07, 2021, 06:12:52 PM
I just reread Leon Uris's Exodus. As you know it is the story of the founding of the state of Israel. Even though the book is pro Israel, it is absolutely amazing what the Jews did to establish that country despite being outnumbered by enormous odds in every way possible. The characters are also heart wrenching.

I also recently read James Jones From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line.
The former depicts life in the prewar US Army in all its grime, insanity, drunkenness, whoring and pure boredom. The latter puts you in the foxhole on Guadalcanal in 1942. Jones is a veteran of WW2 and paints his true picture. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 06:53:56 PM
I spent several days cleaning up my first novel and submitted it to Pegasus, not sure if I'll get any attention of course.  It had a lot of errors, probably still does.

I finished Book Two but hate proof reading so I'm half way through Book the Third.

I wish the library would reopen.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 07, 2021, 06:59:13 PM
the library will have to be closed a LONG time before I resort to writing my own books
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 07:08:25 PM
I can type very fast, that helps.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 07, 2021, 10:10:16 PM
I can type very fast, that helps.
Hemingway typed his dialog and hand-wrote the narrative.
Or vice-versa.
I recommend this book.

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You can preview it here: https://www.amazon.com/This-Kind-War-Fiftieth-Anniversary/dp/1574882597/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
As academic "history," it's out of date and anecdotal.  As a gripping account of what happens when a country sends its unprepared young men into combat for poorly understood reasons, it's first-rate.

Here is the Forward.

Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even into death.

If, however, you are indulgent, but unable to make your authority felt, kind-hearted but unable to enforce your commands; and incapable, moreover, of quelling disorder, then your soldiers must be likened to spoiled children; they are useless for any practical purpose.

—From the Chinese of Sun Tzu, THE ART OF WAR

TEN YEARS AFTER the guns fell into uneasy silence along the 38th parallel, it is still impossible to write a definitive history of the Korean War. For that war did not write the end to an era, but merely marked a fork on a road the world is still traveling. It was a minor collision, a skirmish—but the fact that such a skirmish between the earth's two power blocs cost more than two million human lives showed clearly the extent of the chasm beside which men walked.

More than anything else, the Korean War was not a test of power—because neither antagonist used full powers—but of wills. The war showed that the West had misjudged the ambition and intent of the Communist leadership, and clearly revealed that leadership's intense hostility to the West; it also proved that Communism erred badly in assessing the response its aggression would call forth.

The men who sent their divisions crashing across the 38th parallel on 25 June 1950 hardly dreamed that the world would rally against them, or that the United States—which had repeatedly professed its reluctance to do so—would commit ground forces onto the mainland of Asia.

From the fighting, however inconclusive the end, each side could take home valuable lessons. The Communists would understand that the free world—in particular the United States—had the will to react quickly and practically and without panic in a new situation. The American public, and that of Europe, learned that the postwar world was not the pleasant place they hoped it would be, that it could not be neatly policed by bombers and carrier aircraft and nuclear warheads, and that the Communist menace could be disregarded only at extreme peril.

The war, on either side, brought no one satisfaction. It did, hopefully, teach a general lesson of caution.

The great test placed upon the United States was not whether it had the power to devastate the Soviet Union—this it had—but whether the American leadership had the will to continue to fight for an orderly world rather than to succumb to hysteric violence. Twice in the century uncontrolled violence had swept the world, and after untold bloodshed and destruction nothing was accomplished. Americans had come to hate war, but in 1950 were no nearer to abolishing it than they had been a century before.

But two great bloodlettings, and the advent of the Atomic Age with its capability of fantastic destruction, taught Americans that their traditional attitudes toward war—to regard war as an unholy thing, but once involved, however reluctantly, to strike those who unleashed it with holy wrath—must be altered. In the Korean War, Americans adopted a course not new to the world, but new to them. They accepted limitations on warfare, and accepted controlled violence as the means to an end. Their policy—for the first time in the century—succeeded. The Korean War was not followed by the tragic disillusionment of World War I, or the unbelieving bitterness of 1946 toward the fact that nothing had been settled. But because Americans for the first time lived in a world in which they could not truly win, whatever the effort, and from which they could not withdraw, without disaster, for millions the result was trauma.

During the Korean War, the United States found that it could not enforce international morality and that its people had to live and continue to fight in a basically amoral world. They could oppose that which they regarded as evil, but they could not destroy it without risking their own destruction.

Because the American people have traditionally taken a warlike, but not military, attitude to battle, and because they have always coupled a certain belligerence—no American likes being pushed around—with a complete unwillingness to prepare for combat, the Korean War was difficult, perhaps the most difficult in their history.

In Korea, Americans had to fight, not a popular, righteous war, but to send men to die on a bloody checkerboard, with hard heads and without exalted motivations, in the hope of preserving the kind of world order Americans desired.

Tragically, they were not ready, either in body or in spirit.

They had not really realized the kind of world they lived in, or the tests of wills they might face, or the disciplines that would be required to win them.

Yet when America committed its ground troops into Korea, the American people committed their entire prestige, and put the failure or success of their foreign policy on the line.

The purpose of this book is to detail the events of that action, and what led to it, and not to explore controversy. It does not seek to exalt the military nor to deride the traditionally liberal American view toward life. There is no desire to add fuel to the increasingly bitter dialogue between traditionalists, military officers, and "liberals" that has resulted from those events—a dialogue brought about more by the fact that the liberals would feel safer if the military would feel emotionally more at home in a society that was a bit more spartan, than by a clear assessment of the needs of the country.

The civilian liberal and the soldier, unfortunately, are eyeing different things: the civilian sociologists are concerned with men living together in peace and amiability and justice; the soldier's task is to teach them to suffer and fight, kill and die. Ironically, even in the twentieth century American society demands both of its citizenry.

Perhaps the values that comprise a decent civilization and those needed to defend it abroad will always be at odds. A complete triumph for either faction would probably result in disaster.

Perhaps, also, at the beginning a word must be said concerning discipline. "Discipline," like the terms "work" and "fatherland"—among the greatest of human values—has been given an almost repugnant connotation from its use by Fascist ideologies. But the term "discipline" as used in these pages does not refer to the mindless, robotlike obedience and self-abasement of a Prussian grenadier. Both American sociologists and soldiers agree that it means, basically, self-restraint—the self-restraint required not to break the sensible laws whether they be imposed against speeding or against removing an uncomfortably heavy steel helmet, the fear not to spend more money than one earns, not to drink from a canteen in combat before it is absolutely necessary, and to obey both parent and teacher and officer in certain situations, even when the orders are acutely unpleasant.

Only those who have never learned self-restraint fear reasonable discipline.

Americans fully understand the requirements of the football field or the baseball diamond. They discipline themselves and suffer by the thousands to prepare for these rigors. A coach or manager who is too permissive soon seeks a new job; his teams fail against those who are tougher and harder. Yet undoubtedly any American officer, in peacetime, who worked his men as hard, or ruled them as severely as a college football coach does, would be removed.

But the shocks of the battlefield are a hundred times those of the playing field, and the outcome infinitely more important to the nation.

The problem is to understand the battlefield as well as the game of football. The problem is to see not what is desirable, or nice, or politically feasible, but what is necessary.

T.R.F.
JULY 4, 1962
SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS

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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 07, 2021, 10:35:42 PM
I miss reading - I haven't done it with any volume for the past few years.  I just fall asleep immediately - any comfortable reading position = a comfortable sleeping position as well.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 08, 2021, 07:38:56 AM
Nice synopsis above, horrible "conflict", not really a "war" in any traditional sense.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 08, 2021, 08:29:59 AM
I can type very fast, that helps.
SEC Speed Read.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 08, 2021, 10:32:10 AM
I miss reading - I haven't done it with any volume for the past few years.  I just fall asleep immediately - any comfortable reading position = a comfortable sleeping position as well.
For a number of years, the only time I read was on airplanes and business trips. That wasn't much of a limit, as I was traveling somewhat frequently.

This past year the pandemic changed that. My wife had set herself a goal of 25 books in 2020, and with us stuck at home a lot more [especially when sports weren't happening] we found ourselves reading much more than usual. She actually hit her goal in July, revised it to 50, and finished her 50th book on Dec 31. I don't know what my final tally was [I didn't have a specific number goal nor tracked it], but was probably a little north of 20.  

Things went a lot slower during football season, but I'm hoping to stay in the habit of reading during the weekends even post-pandemic.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 08, 2021, 10:34:01 AM
50? Wow.

My goal is to read one.
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 08, 2021, 11:17:24 AM



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Post by: SFBadger96 on January 11, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
"Only those who have never learned self-restraint fear reasonable discipline."
Good little nugget there.

As a former soldier and what Fehrenbach would call a liberal sociologist, I've always felt Fehrenbach fell a little far on the militaristic side of things, but This Kind of War is nonetheless an important book about warfare and the Korea War. And I agree with the sentiment that a democratic society requires a balance of those instincts.

His juxtaposition of the Army's 2nd ID and the Marine's 1st Division as they faced the Chinese entry into the war is a fair critique of the Army and celebration of the Marines. What the Marines accomplished at Chosin is nothing short of true heroism. It stands in with the very few American military actions that are among history's greatest.

Whether it was Fehrenbach that taught it, the Army did learn lessons of discipline and preparedness from Korea, and has largely avoided repeating it. Of course, a great many young Army officers (this one included) read This Kind of War and took that lesson directly from it.

I'm currently wading through Chernow's Grant. It is long, but so far I haven't found it overly indulgent.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 11, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
The Chosin story is largely forgotten by the regular public of course, which is inevitable without a movie.

I like Michael Connelly's books about Bosch and the Lincoln Lawyer, I may have already posted that.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 11, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
T.R.F.
JULY 4, 1962
SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS


2 weeks before I was born
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 11, 2021, 11:49:31 PM
I've read a pile of books (kindle mostly) since March.  A lot of 19th century baseball,  one of my favorite books of all time, A Gentleman in Moscow, and a bunch of local history books.
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Post by: CWSooner on January 11, 2021, 11:53:53 PM
Good little nugget there.

As a former soldier and what Fehrenbach would call a liberal sociologist, I've always felt Fehrenbach fell a little far on the militaristic side of things, but This Kind of War is nonetheless an important book about warfare and the Korea War. And I agree with the sentiment that a democratic society requires a balance of those instincts.

His juxtaposition of the Army's 2nd ID and the Marine's 1st Division as they faced the Chinese entry into the war is a fair critique of the Army and celebration of the Marines. What the Marines accomplished at Chosin is nothing short of true heroism. It stands in with the very few American military actions that are among history's greatest.

Whether it was Fehrenbach that taught it, the Army did learn lessons of discipline and preparedness from Korea, and has largely avoided repeating it. Of course, a great many young Army officers (this one included) read This Kind of War and took that lesson directly from it.

I'm currently wading through Chernow's Grant. It is long, but so far I haven't found it overly indulgent.
My year in the ROK was '87-88.  I was on the 8th Army/CFC staff.  As such, I was issued a copy of This Kind of War.  To keep.  That's still my copy, complete with a clear vinyl protector over the dust jacket.  We did a staff ride of the Brits' Gloster Hill fight while I was there.
Chernow's Grant is good.
A book that I have given as a gift 4-5 times is Lincoln's Virtues: An Ethical Biography, by William Lee Miller.  It's a wonderful exploration of how Lincoln grew from the young man who too often used his facility with words to wound opponents to the president who wouldn't blame the South in either of his inaugural addresses.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 12, 2021, 10:05:03 AM
I think with practice my writing is improving, just my opinion.  I'm over 40,000 words on Book Three, and need to edit/proof book two.  I sent Book One to Pegasus for their view, but when I reread it, I realized it sounded amateurish, to me, which is good if I'm getting better.

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Post by: huskerdinie on January 14, 2021, 02:00:46 PM
50? Wow.

My goal is to read one.
I think my sister and I are in a race to see who can read the most, lol.  She averages 1-2 books a day, while I have too many other things going on with cooking, cleaning, driving her to appointments, etc.  so I think I average only 1 a day.  I've blown through my own personal library twice in the past year, and have caught up on multiple series of books I like through the local library.  My favorite authors have had to change publication dates a couple of times, so I have to wait longer for those to come out.  

Think my sis will win this race,  ha ha
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 14, 2021, 05:55:19 PM
Just finished The End of October

https://smile.amazon.com/End-October-novel-Lawrence-Wright-ebook/dp/B07WKJSP4J/

Written before COVID and published in April 2020, the novel tells the story of a world battling a pandemic.

It's amazing how many parallels exist. Granted, there are differences, as the pandemic in the book is significantly more lethal than COVID and thus aspects aren't identical.

Very good read, though. I recommend it. 
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Post by: MarqHusker on November 14, 2021, 07:59:12 PM
You know there have been a few rather prescient novels lately re: pandemics.   A friend of mine touted this one recently as well.  I've been ducking it as I'm not really interested in reading about a pandemic while living through one.

I'm about halfway into Amor Towles' latest, The Lincoln Highway, im fairly sure when I finish that I will find this to be wanting and completely inferior to his previous two novels, Gentleman in Moscow and Rules of Civility.    

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Post by: Cincydawg on November 15, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
I just finished "They Called us Lucky" written by a US Congressman, Gallego.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 18, 2021, 08:37:03 AM
You know there have been a few rather prescient novels lately re: pandemics.  A friend of mine touted this one recently as well.  I've been ducking it as I'm not really interested in reading about a pandemic while living through one.

I'm about halfway into Amor Towles' latest, The Lincoln Highway, im fairly sure when I finish that I will find this to be wanting and completely inferior to his previous two novels, Gentleman in Moscow and Rules of Civility.   




I gave “pandemic reads” a (regrettable) try as well. Last month I finished a labored reading through The Diary of Samuel Pepys: The Great Plague of London & The Great Fire of London, 1665-1666. A poorly printed edition, giving no source or permissions for the truly horrendous and off-era Renaissance painting used as its cover.

I had heard Samuel Pepys’ Diaries featured in very entertaining terms on the History of Literature Podcast. Though Pepys at times sounds like an insufferably hoity person, the era of his journaling promised an illuminating parallel to our past two years of weathering the Covid pandemic and to a lesser degree the political outrage and worsening environment, such as the increasingly harsher wildfire seasons across the West. Instead the writing is insufferably tedious, the sentences painfully constructed: “Up, and after a harsh word or two my wife and I good friends, and so up and to the office, where all the morning.” Clarity is lacking until the last 10 pages of a poorly formatted 200 pages of journaling when the London fire concludes the book: “…and there I did see the houses at that end of the bridge all on fire, and an infinite great fire on the other side of the bridge.”

https://www.amazon.com/Diary-Samuel-Pepys-Plague-1665-1666/dp/1789430984/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=samuel+pepys&qid=1637092504&sr=8-3
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Post by: ELA on November 18, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
It's YA fantasy, so not in anyone's wheelhouse here, but my wife just got signed by an agent, who is pitching to publishers.  This is the fourth book she's written in the past 4 years.  All of which were better than anything I could ever write, but now that she is signed with an agent, one who has another client who signed a miniseries deal with Netflix, she may actually get hardback published.

I'll continue to write shitty predictions with zero editing.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 19, 2021, 07:51:11 AM
Cool beans.  I sent my books to several agents and got nothing, standard rejects.  I also sent to some publishing houses and got one "offer", which was not a real offer in my view, they call it vanity publishing.

People who claim to have read my books claim they liked them, but I think they are just being kind, with the exception of BRAD here who provided helpful feedback.

I infer they are amateurish.  I think I can write reasonably well, but not as an author.
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Post by: utee94 on November 19, 2021, 10:32:40 AM
Cool beans.  I sent my books to several agents and got nothing, standard rejects.  I also sent to some publishing houses and got one "offer", which was not a real offer in my view, they call it vanity publishing.

People who claim to have read my books claim they liked them, but I think they are just being kind, with the exception of BRAD here who provided helpful feedback.

I infer they are amateurish.  I think I can write reasonably well, but not as an author.
I still want to give them a read,CD.

I love to write, and I'm pretty good at it, but I've got a bunch of short stories, one screenplay, and half of a very long novel under my belt, and I can tell upon rereading it all, that it's decent but not great.  Maybe a good editor could help me out, I don't know.  I've never sent anything off to attempt to publish.

Of course I've read stuff that actually dig get published by major houses, that I feel isn't as good as what I've written.  Timing and persistence and whatnot, I suppose.
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Post by: utee94 on November 19, 2021, 10:40:34 AM
It's YA fantasy, so not in anyone's wheelhouse here, but my wife just got signed by an agent, who is pitching to publishers.  This is the fourth book she's written in the past 4 years.  All of which were better than anything I could ever write, but now that she is signed with an agent, one who has another client who signed a miniseries deal with Netflix, she may actually get hardback published.

I'll continue to write shitty predictions with zero editing.
That's cool, AAA, best of luck to your wife on getting published! 

And I have to admit that YA fantasy is a guilty pleasure of mine.  My 14yo daughter is into it, and so I read a lot of it either with her, or before she does, just to know and understand what she's reading and seeing in her world.  And I've found that a lot of it is actually pretty entertaining.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on November 19, 2021, 10:57:14 AM
It's YA fantasy, so not in anyone's wheelhouse here, but my wife just got signed by an agent, who is pitching to publishers.  This is the fourth book she's written in the past 4 years.  All of which were better than anything I could ever write, but now that she is signed with an agent, one who has another client who signed a miniseries deal with Netflix, she may actually get hardback published.

I'll continue to write shitty predictions with zero editing.
That's cool, AAA, best of luck to your wife on getting published!

And I have to admit that YA fantasy is a guilty pleasure of mine.  My 14yo daughter is into it, and so I read a lot of it either with her, or before she does, just to know and understand what she's reading and seeing in her world.  And I've found that a lot of it is actually pretty entertaining. 
Yeah, I second that. 

YA fantasy isn't exactly my wheelhouse, but I have a 14 yo son who has gotten into all that stuff. Started with JK Rowling, has read basically everything Rick Riordan has ever published, was big into the "Scythe" series as well as the "UnXXXXX" series, a bunch of books with titles all starting with "Un"... All sorts of stuff in that wheelhouse. He did the whole Hunger Games series (which my wife and I also read at the same time), and now he's reading Divergent. 

My daughter is only 9, so she's not quite up to that reading level yet, but absolutely LOVES to read and is progressing quickly. So even if it's not the right genre for my son, my daughter will be there in a few years.

Keep us informed. If you have a link to where the first three books are available, let us know. My son has a Kindle, so self-published works are fine if they're available in that format. 
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Post by: utee94 on November 19, 2021, 11:12:08 AM
Yeah, I second that.

YA fantasy isn't exactly my wheelhouse, but I have a 14 yo son who has gotten into all that stuff. Started with JK Rowling, has read basically everything Rick Riordan has ever published, was big into the "Scythe" series as well as the "UnXXXXX" series, a bunch of books with titles all starting with "Un"... All sorts of stuff in that wheelhouse. He did the whole Hunger Games series (which my wife and I also read at the same time), and now he's reading Divergent.

My daughter is only 9, so she's not quite up to that reading level yet, but absolutely LOVES to read and is progressing quickly. So even if it's not the right genre for my son, my daughter will be there in a few years.

Keep us informed. If you have a link to where the first three books are available, let us know. My son has a Kindle, so self-published works are fine if they're available in that format.
Yeah same here, my daughter has a Kindle that she loves, and it's great for that type of thing.
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Post by: Cincydawg on November 19, 2021, 01:58:11 PM
My books are available in paperback on Amazon, self published, they do a nice job of it I think.  I still need a good editor, at minimum.

The book "Marine Dad" is a tough read for three chapters and then gets uplifting.
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Post by: ELA on November 19, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
That's cool, AAA, best of luck to your wife on getting published!

And I have to admit that YA fantasy is a guilty pleasure of mine.  My 14yo daughter is into it, and so I read a lot of it either with her, or before she does, just to know and understand what she's reading and seeing in her world.  And I've found that a lot of it is actually pretty entertaining. 
My wife has always enjoyed it, but I've gone the opposite direction as my kids have gotten older.  I used to read some of her recommendations, now I don't need my escape from actual whiny children to be made up whiny children.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on November 24, 2021, 10:45:44 AM
It's YA fantasy, so not in anyone's wheelhouse here, but my wife just got signed by an agent, who is pitching to publishers.  This is the fourth book she's written in the past 4 years.  All of which were better than anything I could ever write, but now that she is signed with an agent, one who has another client who signed a miniseries deal with Netflix, she may actually get hardback published.


Congrats @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55)! As someone who for the past two years is familiarized with the publishing industry, it’s very difficult to land a Literary Agent. When it comes to Fiction, only about 1 in 200 novels solicited to agents are picked up for representation. There are a few ways for the writer to raise their odds. In the case of your wife’s YA series she’s already hitting two bench marks for what an agent is looking for. For the sake of marketability and sales potential, agents seek out fiction with clearly defined audiences. And YA/fantasy is currently riding a high. Agents also seek out multi-book authors (especially authors building series) in order to capitalize on potentially growing readerships – one sale turning into four.

For any writers discouraged by the difficulty of breaking into traditional publishing, remember two things: 1) Books are another wing of the entertainment industry where it takes not only talent but plenty of luck in terms of timing and striking unperceivable cords to break in. And more importantly, 2) the last 10 – 15 years has seen enormous growth to what is a very effective self-publishing industry, complete with services like editing, marketing, cover/interior design, and paperback/ebook distribution. Amazon KDP and SparkPress are the two most robust self-publishing platforms.


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Post by: Cincydawg on November 24, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
Amazon KDP has delivered for me personally better than expected.  I haven't sold many books,  about 60 total, but it's way better than the fake publishing some offer, vanity publishing.  Don't do that.
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Post by: ELA on November 24, 2021, 11:26:37 AM

Congrats @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55)! As someone who for the past two years is familiarized with the publishing industry, it’s very difficult to land a Literary Agent. When it comes to Fiction, only about 1 in 200 novels solicited to agents are picked up for representation. There are a few ways for the writer to raise their odds. In the case of your wife’s YA series she’s already hitting two bench marks for what an agent is looking for. For the sake of marketability and sales potential, agents seek out fiction with clearly defined audiences. And YA/fantasy is currently riding a high. Agents also seek out multi-book authors (especially authors building series) in order to capitalize on potentially growing readerships – one sale turning into four.

For any writers discouraged by the difficulty of breaking into traditional publishing, remember two things: 1) Books are another wing of the entertainment industry where it takes not only talent but plenty of luck in terms of timing and striking unperceivable cords to break in. And more importantly, 2) the last 10 – 15 years has seen enormous growth to what is a very effective self-publishing industry, complete with services like editing, marketing, cover/interior design, and paperback/ebook distribution. Amazon KDP and SparkPress are the two most robust self-publishing platforms.



She said the agent brought up the possibilities of a multi-book series as why she was interested.  I actually don't think it's her best book, but the one I did, was (a) not fantasy and (b) a one off

Maybe down the road, if she gets this published, they will be more receptive to that one.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on December 03, 2021, 03:50:17 PM
BTW the final book of the Expanse series dropped on Tuesday. About 60% through since I traveled this week and looking forward to finishing it off this weekend.

If anyone was holding off to start it until you knew it would be finished (unlike GoT, which probably never will be at this point), well it's a good time to start.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 12, 2022, 12:06:22 PM
My self-published novel went live on Amazon to start the New Year.

To kick off the research phase for a hopeful next novel, I’ve got at least a month of evening reading ahead of me. See what you can make of the following titles I’m consuming to develop key story elements and the two main characters:

-Benzodiazepines: How They Work & How To Withdraw
-Ukraine Adoption: How we did it – How you can too
-Flight Attendant Survival Guide
-After Silence: Rape & My Journey Back
-US Navy’s Command Investigation into the Facts and Circumstances Surrounding the Fire Onboard USS Bonhomme Richard July 2020
-my own journaling from volunteer work with the homeless and foster kids
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 12, 2022, 12:15:40 PM
My step son gave me "Hail Mary" for Christmas, but just like TKAMB has nothing about killing birds, this is not about football.  It's interesting, I think it has some technnical errors in it at times but is creative and decently written (same author as The Martian).  I'm about half through.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 12, 2022, 12:32:43 PM
My step son gave me "Hail Mary" for Christmas, but just like TKAMB has nothing about killing birds, this is not about football.  It's interesting, I think it has some technnical errors in it at times but is creative and decently written (same author as The Martian).  I'm about half through.
I read it during the fall, and really liked it. 

When I read The Martian, I felt like it was a really enjoyable read, but there were a few flaws in its construction. Key amongst them was that I never, during the entire book, actually was concerned that the protagonist wouldn't survive and make it back home. It wasn't a "Game of Thrones" scenario, where you feel like any character, including the ones you like the most, might die at any time. It led to a book that IMHO didn't have all that much suspense to it. The protagonist is on a world that can literally kill him in any uncountable number of ways, and I never seriously considered it would happen. 

A central plot point of Hail Mary, as you well know (and it becomes clear almost immediately in the book so I don't mind the spoiler) is that it's a suicide mission. So that immediately removes a big issue that I had with The Martian. And other aspects of the book, which you haven't yet gotten to, bring in non-technical plot twists. Whereas The Martian was the protagonist mostly trying to solve technical problems, this brings in a compelling aspect of the story that didn't exist there.

So while I still have some issues with the construction for other reasons, I found The Martian enjoyable enough and Hail Mary even more so. 
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 30, 2022, 12:27:15 PM
Reaching into my higher gear of summer reading, finished Norman Maclean's A River Runs Through It. A novel centered around the intricacies of fly fishing and expanding to the narrator's relationship with his brother and their upbringing by their Presbyterian minister father in western Montana. It's auto-biographical, and the author himself, a professor of literature at the University of Chicago from the 1930s to the 70s, became a bit of a literary figure after this publication in the 70s.

Standout quotes:

"The cast is so soft and slow that it can be followed like an ash settling from a fireplace chimney. One of life’s quiet excitements is to stand somewhat apart from yourself and watch yourself softly becoming the author of something beautiful, even if it is only a floating ash."

"It is those we live with and love and should know who elude us. Now nearly all those I loved and did not understand when I was young are dead, but I still reach out to them."

The latter quote is a bit timely. Just last night my Dad was telling me a few things about my Mom, deceased as of nine years, that I'm glad I didn't know about while she was alive.

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Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
We have a small library in the building and I've sampled quite a few of them of late, most I read two chapters and return.  I did read 3 of Child's books in the Reacher series,  they are reasonably well written and OK.  I'm a bit surprised how many get published that simply are poorly written and uninteresting.  Some may be vanity publishing.

I'm working on a new one myself, a fantasy world novel.  I'm at 25,000 words and trying to inject some tense moments and conflict, I find that difficult.  Twists and turns are also hard to manage, for me.

I put the civil war series I wrote in the library, probably won't get any reaction.  Authoring is hard.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 18, 2022, 11:26:31 AM
Finally getting around to reading Friday Night Lights by H.G. Bissinger; as a lead-in to football season. Having watched bits of the resulting show, MTV docuseries following various high school programs, and having especially watched the movie Varsity Blues countless times, I took the influence of the book too for granted to read it earlier or credit it with launching its uniquely American genre of entertainment.

Published in 1990 and following the 1988 Permian Panthers High School Football team, the preface echoes Jack Kerouac’s sense of adventure to uproot from the East Coast and find a different way of life somewhere unknown:

“The idea had been rattling in my head since I was thirteen years old, the idea of high school sports keeping a town together, keeping it alive. So I went in search of the Friday night lights, to find a town where they brightly blazed, that lay beyond the East Coast and the grip of the big cities, a place that people had to pull out an atlas to find and had seen better times, a real America.
A variety of names came up, but all roads led to West Texas, to a town called Odessa.
It was in the severely depressed belly of the Texas oil patch, with a team in town called the Permian Panthers that played to as many as twenty thousand fans on a Friday night.
TWENTY THOUSAND…
I knew I had to go there.”
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Post by: utee94 on August 18, 2022, 11:45:03 AM
FNL is a fantastic book.  It absolutely captured the desperation, and hope, found in an oil-busted Texas town in the late 80s.

I was in high school at the time, exact same age as many of the key players in that book.  Even though Austin isn't as small-town as Odessa, it had a much smaller-town feel than huge cities like Dallas and Houston at the time, and I could definitely relate.

I liked the TV series okay, but it wasn't much like the book.  The movie with Billy Bob Thornton, on the other hand, was.

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Post by: bayareabadger on August 18, 2022, 12:44:18 PM

Finally getting around to reading Friday Night Lights by H.G. Bissinger; as a lead-in to football season. Having watched bits of the resulting show, MTV docuseries following various high school programs, and having especially watched the movie Varsity Blues countless times, I took the influence of the book too for granted to read it earlier or credit it with launching its uniquely American genre of entertainment.

Published in 1990 and following the 1988 Permian Panthers High School Football team, the preface echoes Jack Kerouac’s sense of adventure to uproot from the East Coast and find a different way of life somewhere unknown:

“The idea had been rattling in my head since I was thirteen years old, the idea of high school sports keeping a town together, keeping it alive. So I went in search of the Friday night lights, to find a town where they brightly blazed, that lay beyond the East Coast and the grip of the big cities, a place that people had to pull out an atlas to find and had seen better times, a real America.
A variety of names came up, but all roads led to West Texas, to a town called Odessa.
It was in the severely depressed belly of the Texas oil patch, with a team in town called the Permian Panthers that played to as many as twenty thousand fans on a Friday night.
TWENTY THOUSAND…
I knew I had to go there.”

Just a wonderful piece of writing and reporting. 

A good "season with the team" book is always enjoyable. Buzz didn't shy away from things. It sets a lot of archetypes. You can also find some of those team's games on YouTube (Not that season but the ones before and after, I think)
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Post by: Cincydawg on August 18, 2022, 02:23:18 PM
A thing I'll suggest for those here who can type pretty well (which should be most) is to write your biography(auto) and get it printed by Amazon/Kindle.

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Post by: MarqHusker on August 18, 2022, 10:06:36 PM
How the World Really Works by Vaclav Smil is proving to be a good breezy read, despite the heavy footnotes.   A book a lot of people should read to correct a lot of their preconceptions and erroneous understandings about the world.  A polemic, this is not.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on August 20, 2022, 11:46:09 AM
FNL is a fantastic book.  It absolutely captured the desperation, and hope, found in an oil-busted Texas town in the late 80s.

I was in high school at the time, exact same age as many of the key players in that book.  Even though Austin isn't as small-town as Odessa, it had a much smaller-town feel than huge cities like Dallas and Houston at the time, and I could definitely relate.

I liked the TV series okay, but it wasn't much like the book.  The movie with Billy Bob Thornton, on the other hand, was.

The show, along with the 1999 FNL-inspired Varsity Blues was shot in and around Austin, specifically Coupland and Elgin for Varsity Blues.

I was a kid living in Texas when Varsity Blues released. I took it for granted then, but when watching Varsity Blues two decades later, I’m always impressed by how many details are accurate to my 90s experience of Texas High School Football:

-Parents waiting an additional year to enroll their boys in kindergarten so their builds were more matured and filled out for football once high school rolled around
-Friday Football pep rallies held in the gyms for the entire school to attend instead of classes.
-Long lines of school busses and vehicle traffic caravanning together to other towns for road games
-Extensive local newspaper coverage of the high school football season topped by front page stories of standout players or high profile matchups, not only in smaller town papers but front page coverage for markets as large at Tyler (100k?) and Corpus Christi (300k?)
-Signs of the players posted in their yards. On my street several of our neighbors were home to varsity players. To kick off the season the cheerleading squad stopped by in their uniforms to post signs of specifically numbered jerseys in their front yards.
-Season football highlights sold in VHS tapes at the local video rental store – I don’t remember this detail being the case; however, for Friday game nights, the local news added an additional half hour at the end of their 10 o’clock news to parade highlights and live updates from area wide football games.
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Post by: utee94 on August 20, 2022, 12:52:23 PM
Yup.

Most of these things are still happening in Texas.  Except the season-recap video tapes, turned into DVDs. ;)
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Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2022, 11:15:52 AM
one of my brother's books......

https://www.infoagepub.com/products/Bloody-Mary-for-the-AERA-Attendees-Soul (https://www.infoagepub.com/products/Bloody-Mary-for-the-AERA-Attendees-Soul)

yes, he is in education
Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2023, 02:31:06 PM
Mentioning @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) and @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) as the question came up in the hobbies thread. 

Mike mentioned the book series that the show "The Expanse" was based on. I went through all 9 of the books and it was a really well done series. The first book is called Leviathan Wakes if you're looking for it. 

There's a series still in progress (8 books so far) that is called Destiny's Crucible with the first book called Cast Under an Alien Sun. To give an idea of how much the series gripped me, I ran through all 8 books in about 2 months, and now I'm anxiously awaiting the author bringing new stuff on. 

I found that author (Olan Thorensen) via another book which is more sci-fi called Harbinger, which I'd also recommend. There should be a sequel coming out at some point, but obviously he's also working on book 9 of the previous series. 

There's a book called The Hike by Drew Magary that I don't know what to call it, other than a bizarre mind f***. If you're into that sort of thing. Sort of King's "The Dark Tower" series crossed with "John Dies at the End". 

Sci-fi, I've enjoyed a lot of Adrian Tchaikovsky's stuff. 
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Post by: rolltidefan on February 20, 2023, 12:21:21 PM
Mentioning @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) and @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) as the question came up in the hobbies thread.

Mike mentioned the book series that the show "The Expanse" was based on. I went through all 9 of the books and it was a really well done series. The first book is called Leviathan Wakes if you're looking for it.

There's a series still in progress (8 books so far) that is called Destiny's Crucible with the first book called Cast Under an Alien Sun. To give an idea of how much the series gripped me, I ran through all 8 books in about 2 months, and now I'm anxiously awaiting the author bringing new stuff on.

I found that author (Olan Thorensen) via another book which is more sci-fi called Harbinger, which I'd also recommend. There should be a sequel coming out at some point, but obviously he's also working on book 9 of the previous series.

There's a book called The Hike by Drew Magary that I don't know what to call it, other than a bizarre mind f***. If you're into that sort of thing. Sort of King's "The Dark Tower" series crossed with "John Dies at the End".

Sci-fi, I've enjoyed a lot of Adrian Tchaikovsky's stuff.

the expanse tv show is great. i only read the first book, but remember liking it as well. the show, from what i understand, follows the books about as well as can be expected. s1 of the show feels much more scifi horror/suspense than the remaining seasons, which are more space dramas, but they all really good. thomas jane was excellent in the show, as was much of the cast.

in other thread, asimov was mentioned. i haven't yet read foundations, but i have read many of his short stories. loved the last question.

i like long series, so that thorensen one looks intriguing.
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Post by: LetsGoPeay on February 20, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
Currently reading King Leopold's Ghost. It's about how Leopold of Belgium went about acquiring and turning the Belgian Congo Free State into his own personal fiefdom of human atrocities. Interesting stuff. https://a.co/d/18lYHmc

I just finished Astoria by Peter Stark (https://a.co/d/bQtk2S9) about John Jacob Astor's efforts to establish a fur trading outpost in Oregon to facilitate global triangular trade. The hell early American settlers experienced was incredible. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2023, 09:44:29 AM
the expanse tv show is great. i only read the first book, but remember liking it as well. the show, from what i understand, follows the books about as well as can be expected. s1 of the show feels much more scifi horror/suspense than the remaining seasons, which are more space dramas, but they all really good. thomas jane was excellent in the show, as was much of the cast.
Yeah, and frankly book 1 was far more of the horror/suspense than the other books. 

My understanding is that the TV series basically only followed up to about the end of book 6. While I could see how that might be an appropriate end point (particularly due to book 7 starting a few decades later in time), I'd recommend reading the books because I think the final three really pull it all together properly. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 21, 2023, 10:02:02 AM
The show didn't end at a good point, Amazon just pulled the plug.  Although they gave plenty of notice and the producers had ample time to write out an ending, they said they chose to continue to do roughly one book per season since 1) they didn't want to cheat the material, and 2) they had hope that one day another platform would buy the show and continue it.  Seems unlikely. 

Each season had a story and they told it relatively well.  There was an overarching story line that just got sort of abandoned for long stretches of time and the show ended before the it completed the "big" story or answered the major questions.  Namely, what's up with the civilization who built the Ring Gates and what's up with their enemies they were in a war with?  I assume the books eventually lead up to that.  The tv series doesn't make it that far.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2023, 10:10:35 AM
Yeah, the books do bring that to conclusion.

I won't say more, because I don't want to say anything that might be a spoiler. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 23, 2023, 02:47:32 PM
Good to get a personal recommendation on those.  I was probably going to start them anyway, but I like when I can get a favorable review on reading material.  
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Post by: rolltidefan on March 23, 2023, 01:49:24 PM
been reading through john scalzi books. started with old man's war and the rest of the series. fun books. i think i might like the one from the daughter's perspective the best. just finished his newest, kaiju preservation society. really lite reading and fun. not as good as old man's war stuff, but still good for a quick easy read. gets fairly political, but i don't really care on that as long as it fits the story/characters.

starting the murderbot diaries series by martha wells. maybe 2 chapters into book 1, all systems red. jumps right into some action. appears to be very much in the same vein of scalzi, fun, lite, action scifi. pretty short books, too, but there are several in the series already (6 i think so far).
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2023, 02:50:46 PM
I read the first of the Murderbot series and just couldn't get into it. Finished it but had no interest in continuing with the rest of the series. 

There's a trilogy by Alastair Reynolds with the first book called Revelation Space that's really good. Definitely more of the hard sci-fi genre. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2023, 03:00:09 PM
I've tried to start The Expanse TV show 3 or 4 times, and never get past a couple of episodes.  They really just don't grab me.

I've heard the books were good, but I heard the TV show was too, and I just can't watch it.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2023, 08:51:25 AM
Some authors I really enjoy:

John Sanford (wrote the Minnesota detective series et al.)

Bernard Cornwell (wrote the Last Kingdom series et al.)

Stephen Hunter (the Bob Lee Swagger series)

Michael Connelly (Bosch and the Lincoln lawyer)



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Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 28, 2023, 11:43:32 AM
Finished reading Philip Roth’s American Pastoral, winner of the coveted Pulitzer Prize in 1998. Roth’s novel seeks to be an ambitious literary statement – some would call it a pretentious read – as it follows in the footsteps of many past literary figures who’ve searched for a final word on the American Dream. Roth is a skilled enough writer to attempt his own say on the American Dream – an otherwise over worn theme that’s occupied and hamstrung the highest levels of American Literature since the 1920s. Nevertheless, the reader (or at least me) is left weighed down by the exceeding pessimism/cynicism/negativity of Roth’s American Pastoral.

Set in mostly Newark NJ, the plot follows its uplifting and upstanding main character, Seymour Levov, as the narrative jumps back and forth across Levov’s life from the WWII 1940s through the social upheavals of the 1960s and ending in the 1990s when the undeserved damage to Levov’s life has set in. With Levov, Roth creates an otherwise perfect character, a living American Dream – local basketball star, caretaker of his family’s glove manufacturing business, devout to religion and his growing family, and deserving of his contentment – only to systematically destroy this character, piece by piece, and by doing so, souring the sense of optimism that a self-built post-WWII America affords. The Wikipedia page for American Pastoral sums this up well: “Seymour sadly concludes that everyone he knows may have a veneer of respectability, but each engages in subversive behavior, and that he cannot understand the truth about anyone based upon the conduct they outwardly display. He is forced to see the truth about the chaos and discord rumbling beneath the "American pastoral."

As readers, I don’t believe we invite much of our reading to inform us of the author, especially that of commercial fiction. But in the case of literary figures it’s almost unavoidable. After reading enough F. Scott Fitzgerald, we might rightfully conclude that Gatsby’s famed author was a hopeless dreamer with persistent financial problems. With Edgar Allen Poe or Franz Kafka we might conclude they both 1) needed psychological help but 2) also used their unsettling writings as a form of self-psychological help. We’d also might rightfully conclude that Sylvia Plath suffered from a number of mental illnesses after reading her memorable novel The Bell Jar which progresses quite helplessly through the mental downfall of the novel’s main character.

Hardly any of the fiction we read leaves us upset by the thematic intentions of an author. But in this case, Philip’s Roth’s message is that of spreading hopelessness; American Pastoral wants readers to distrust post-WWII America, each other, and ourselves.

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Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2023, 11:56:14 AM
Sounds cheerful.

I used to read a lot of that kind of stuff.  Indeed, Fitzgerald has long been my favorite author of all time and it's an understatement to say that "hopelessness, disillusionment, and despair are a recurring central theme" in his writings.

I think as a youngster I was interested in exploring such stories, because I was generally happy and hopeful.  It played as an interesting contrast to my nature.  I probably felt it made me more of a deep thinker, and I might have been at least a little bit correct about that.  It at least opened me up to the idea of alternative states.

But now, I see enough hopelessness, disillusionment, and despair in my real life, that I don't feel the need to explore it in my free time.  It's not that it worries me or saddens me, it's really that it just kind of bores me.  I'd rather spend my time reading something else.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2023, 12:35:31 PM
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Speaking of great authors (not), I finished this a few months back and self published at Amazon under a pseud.  Beta gave me some great feedback on an earlier book about creating dissension and strife and I find it difficult to manage.  (If you want a copy, let me know and I'll mail you one free.)

Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 08, 2023, 06:16:17 PM
So, not my usual genre...

The Last Thing He Told Me (https://www.amazon.com/Last-Thing-He-Told-Me/dp/1501171356/)

Wife's friend read it in a day; loved it. Wife read it in a day; loved it. Wife's stepmom read it in a day; loved it. 

Wife told me I needed to read it. Especially because they made an Apple TV miniseries on it and she wanted me to read it so we could watch it together. I was a little worried that it might be sorta in the "chick lit" genre, but agreed. 

Read it in a day; really enjoyed it. 

The miniseries was also pretty good. 


Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: Kris60 on June 09, 2023, 06:38:16 PM
I like David Baldacci.  I’ve read 10-12 of his books now I guess.  Just finished two last week at the beach.  They always center around a FBI Agent/PI/cop trying to solve a case.  I’ve always liked that genre and if you are into that he’s a good read.
Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2023, 06:56:08 PM
Try John Sanford
Title: Re: OT - Books
Post by: MrNubbz on June 11, 2023, 12:45:29 PM
Read it in a day; really enjoyed it.

The miniseries was also pretty good.
And so it starts.......;D