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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #308 on: July 16, 2026, 10:58:12 AM »
Never read it. 

Potentially, a major problem for me was we got no sci-fi assignments.  If they'd have been giving us some Asimov, Heinlein, Card, or people like that, I'd have eaten it up. 

As it was, I did it eat up, on my own time.  I just didn't get to do book reports, take tests, and do class discussions about them.  Probably for the best.  Those troglodytes wouldn't have understood them anyway. 
Oddly, my junior year English teacher actually assigned us some Ayn Rand. It was just Anthem, pretty much no more than a short story (Amazon says 68 pages in print). 

In retrospect, I can't imagine how he got an Ayn Rand book approved for students through the public school system bureaucracy. 

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« Reply #309 on: July 16, 2026, 11:03:08 AM »
Oddly, my junior year English teacher actually assigned us some Ayn Rand. It was just Anthem, pretty much no more than a short story (Amazon says 68 pages in print).

In retrospect, I can't imagine how he got an Ayn Rand book approved for students through the public school system bureaucracy.

Man, down here in Texico Atlas Shrugged was on the required reading list.

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« Reply #310 on: July 16, 2026, 11:07:17 AM »
Oddly, my junior year English teacher actually assigned us some Ayn Rand. It was just Anthem, pretty much no more than a short story (Amazon says 68 pages in print).

In retrospect, I can't imagine how he got an Ayn Rand book approved for students through the public school system bureaucracy.

I can't give my full thoughts on that without crossing a line I probably shouldn't, but IMO Ayn Rand's Anthem novella should be required reading.  It contains ideas that are part of Western civilization cultural cannon, and as such, should be taught.  Now, there's a lot of context and personal commentary I'd add to that, but here I'll just say I think it's the right move to include that book.  

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« Reply #311 on: July 16, 2026, 11:51:11 AM »
Man, down here in Texico Atlas Shrugged was on the required reading list.
Eh. I don't believe that for a second... What high school student is going to read an 1100-page novel where the first 600 or so are slow, boring, character development before things even get interesting? 

I think Atlas is an important book for many reasons, but it's a pretty terrible novel. I feel like it could have been done in about 2/3 the page count, and would have been better for it. 

I can't give my full thoughts on that without crossing a line I probably shouldn't, but IMO Ayn Rand's Anthem novella should be required reading.  It contains ideas that are part of Western civilization cultural cannon, and as such, should be taught.  Now, there's a lot of context and personal commentary I'd add to that, but here I'll just say I think it's the right move to include that book. 
Agreed... And the only thing I'll say on top of that is that there are probably a lot of people who wouldn't agree with the ideas in Atlas Shrugged, but as with anything, often it's a useful read so you at least know what is driving the people with whom you disagree with. 

It's why I took the philosophy class in college, Classic and Contemporary Marxism. It's not that I was then, nor planned to become, a Marxist. But it's best to understand what others think...

To bring it back to books, as part of that class we read Ursula K Le Guin's The Dispossessed. Which was honestly a pretty good book. 

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« Reply #312 on: July 16, 2026, 12:25:46 PM »
The Dispossessed was a good book, but I think I like Left hand of darkness better.  Of course both were award winning books for her. 

I have read Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead and Anthem, while I have some definite Objectivistic leanings, I am not a fan of her writings. 

One of the good things of going to a large university, even back in the late 70s, early 80s, Ohio State had a Science fiction literature class.  At that time, I was pretty narrow in my sci-fi/fantasy reading, Tolkien, Asimov, Bradbury, Heinlein. The class introduced me to authors like LeGuin, Pashin, Purnelle, Niven

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« Reply #313 on: July 16, 2026, 01:25:42 PM »
Eh. I don't believe that for a second... What high school student is going to read an 1100-page novel where the first 600 or so are slow, boring, character development before things even get interesting?
I don't disagree with the second part this quote, but all I can say is, it was definitely on my required reading list in high school.  My school had very advanced AP classes with quite rigorous academic requirements.  Atlas Shrugged wasn't even the longest book on the reading list, that distinction belonged to Tolstoy's War and Peace.

Overall I liked the book but it was definitely a slog and the 50-page soliloquy from John Galt didn't help things along.  

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« Reply #314 on: July 16, 2026, 01:29:08 PM »
I don't remember reading many books in high school. Great Gatsby maybe?

Of course, I'm not one to read (or even open) books. Never have been.

The bookstore at UW used to love my trade-in books.
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« Reply #315 on: August 26, 2026, 08:28:47 AM »
I'm rereading "Hunt for Red October", I recall what a stir it made at the time, I thought the book was fabulous.  Haven't read it in decades, it of course is a bit quaint now in some respects, some parts are verbose, I have skipped over some smaller sections.

It does remind me how the US and SU were "nose to nose" at times, and we managed (so far) to avoid the worst.

I like the movie also though it deviates from the book significantly, as usual.

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« Reply #316 on: August 26, 2026, 11:25:12 AM »
I don't remember reading many books in high school. Great Gatsby maybe?

Of course, I'm not one to read (or even open) books. Never have been.

The bookstore at UW used to love my trade-in books.


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« Reply #317 on: August 26, 2026, 11:26:19 AM »
I read a lot, always have, a lot of history.  I've gone back to reread some old scifi novels I once thought were great ..... and now don't, much.  


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« Reply #318 on: September 15, 2026, 11:19:27 AM »
Reading Night Soldiers, the first in a long series of Alan Furst's historical WWII spy novels. So far nothing of the usual cat and mouse capers; it's a thorough submerging of its characters into the developing spy networks of the time (mid-1930s). Anyone who has spent time in Europe will appreciate how atmospherically Furst writes the winding settings of life along the eastern Danube, the Spanish Civil War, and underground Paris pre-Nazi invasion.

Read Night Soldiers again, for the fourth time, and for a lengthier reflection—

With good reason, the word panoramic is a popular descriptor for Alan Furst’s Night Soldiers. Across the sprawling canvas of Europe’s descent into WWII, Night Soldiers starts behind the scenes inside the Soviet’s NKVD, where spies are trained for clandestine work in conflicts abroad. It also operates in the prelude of WWII, as Spain’s costly civil war draws in foreign powers until Madrid finally falls. And with WWII coming into full swing, Night Soldiers operates on the periphery with the French Resistance to Nazi occupation. Night Soldiers is a WWII novel that is ultimately more of a spy novel, seeking the shadows of the war’s preliminaries and peripheries without ever diving headlong into the bloodier, better-known movements of Barbarossa or D-Day.

Because of this, Night Soldiers can evade a baseline conception of WWII. It does not begin from an American perspective but rather from the other side of Europe, with Khristo Stoianev, a young Bulgarian from a fishing family, who is recruited to Moscow for training as an operative for the NKVD (now the KGB). What follows is a privileged look inside the Soviet spy machine, and because of how incredibly well researched Night Soldiers is, not only are its historical particulars worth appreciating, such as NKVD chief Genrikh Yagoda making an appearance at a drinking send-off for his agents, but Russia’s atmosphere of pervasive fear under Stalin is also well observed:

“There was a woman, probably going to work, coming toward him down the street…She had seen the black Pobieda, Mitya at the wheel, Sascha in his leather coat sprawled in the back seat, and Khristo, swaying for a moment on the sidewalk. She stopped, then moved around him in a wide circle, walking close to the wall of the building. She kept her eyes on the pavement in front of her, but then, just for a bare instant, she glanced at him, then looked down again, and he realized that she knew who they were. She knew what they were, what he was, and she was afraid of him.”

Khristo is soon sent on assignment to Spain as an intelligence operative for the Spanish Republicans against Nationalist forces during the Spanish Civil War. There he works with spies from other nations, including Americans, in support of the Republican cause. But as the Nationalists close in on eventually capturing Madrid, Khristo’s cover is blown, while the Soviets, as part of Stalin’s brutal purges, begin targeting their own NKVD agents abroad for imprisonment in the Gulag. Khristo flees into France, capping a lengthy detour through the Spanish Civil War that is again enhanced by Furst’s absorbing use of history. For example, a key plot point involves the Nationalists’ air superiority, bolstered by German and Italian air forces eager to use the war in Spain to gain combat experience and test their aircraft and bombing tactics against urban targets.

In France, Khristo hides in plain sight, living with a girlfriend and working as a waiter amid the fashionable Paris nightlife, until his arrest by French counterintelligence in 1937. Three years into a life sentence, a priest coordinates Khristo’s release because, by 1940, with France under threat of invasion, his clandestine skillset has become one of many resources useful against Nazi occupation.

As WWII fiction, Night Soldiers never becomes a novel of warfare yet is surprisingly alive with the preliminary and peripheral workings of WWII’s vast espionage networks, as viewed from the spies themselves. Night Soldiers is an exceptionally well-written and researched journey; an alternative title could just as well be Eternal Strangers, capturing the lonely, wandering existence of spies who are endlessly endangered and displaced:

“Khristo sighed. The night made him sad. The history of Kulic’s nation was like that of his own. The fighting never stopped. The conquerors kept coming. Other Kulics, other Khristos, all the way back through time, wandered the world. Away from love, away from home. They were destined to be eternal strangers. Melancholy adventurers, guests in other people’s houses. From now on, forever, there could be no peace for him, no ease, none of the small domestic harmonies that were the consolation of plain people everywhere. His pleasures were to be those of the soldier in a distant outpost – a woman, a bottle, a quick death without pain. Those he could look forward to. And, though his heart might swell with the poetry at the fire of a perfect sunset, there would never be the special one beside him to share such joys.”


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« Reply #319 on: September 15, 2026, 11:48:25 AM »
Reading Parachute Infantry about David Webster,his memoir as a member of Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division in WWII. Covers his D-Day jump into Normandy,return to britain.  Then a month or so later being dropped into Holland during Operation Market Garden. Where he was wounded and evacuated back to Britain then healed up for the final drive into Germany. All of it was written before his untimely death in 1961 from either drowning or a shark attack off the coast of Cali. Fairly interesting so far.
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« Reply #320 on: September 15, 2026, 11:54:42 AM »
I'm rereading Waterloo by Bernard Cornwell.  I didn't find it to be exceptional on first reading, same on second.  I downloaded the Furst novels onto my Libby app.

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« Reply #321 on: Today at 03:10:52 PM »
I'm reading Gunfighters by Bryan Burrough. It's a fun read. He has a talent for humanizing the guys like Wyatt Earp and John Wesley Hardin who have been built up over so many years. 

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