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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #280 on: February 20, 2026, 04:33:41 AM »
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/434569.John_Marshall

Speaking of history, I liked this one on John Marshall a lot.


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« Reply #282 on: February 20, 2026, 11:39:13 AM »
Just finished a bio of teddy Roosevelt.  Now trying to decide between a book on the habsburg dynasty or a bio of Frederick Douglas.  Read a book about the 1919 peace conference and realized didn't know much about the habsburg other then their chin and inbreeding and I had been reading a lot from the antebellum period and thought might be interesting to know a bit more about Frederick Douglas
I think history has made my choice.  It was in 1895 on this date that Frederick Douglass died

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« Reply #283 on: February 20, 2026, 02:59:42 PM »
I'd probably skip the bio of Frederick Douglas and go straight to reading Frederick Douglas.  But that's just me.  Three autobiographies and plenty of commentary....while not being a trained historian, he is effectively a very good historian of his time.  

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #284 on: March 30, 2026, 03:38:59 PM »
Cross-quoting CD from the movie thread, given that the discussion was from a movie about a book anyway...


Then we have the Fermi Paradox which is ... interesting.
Some might argue humanity is already approaching a Great Filter event... 

So here are the first two books of a to-be three book sci-fi series that touch on this concept...


Harbinger
To Face The Whirlwind

Highly recommend.


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« Reply #285 on: April 20, 2026, 01:08:12 PM »
Finished reading Fear and Loathing in La Liga. With an impressive command of history, we learn how the Spanish Civil War and the resulting Francoist regime shaped the rivalry between Real Madrid and FC Barcelona. In the opening months of the Spanish Civil War (1936), the president of FC Barcelona was detained and executed by Nationalist troops after getting stopped at a military checkpoint outside Madrid. Meanwhile, Real Madrid’s president was arrested during the war as a political opponent and later forced into exile in France. Under the Francoist regime, Santiago Bernabéu (namesake of the stadium) eventually emerged as president and transformed Real Madrid into the dominant international power it is to this day.

Spain’s high-stakes 20th-century divisions cast the two clubs into opposing identities, with Real Madrid often associated with the Francoist establishment and Barcelona aligned with Catalan identity and its spirit of resistance. But in practicality, how far did this divide really extend? For instance, was Real Madrid actively embraced by the Francoist regime as a symbol of national identity, or did Madrid’s location simply make it the default club of Spain’s centralized government? A bit of both, but more for the sake of international projection:

“At a time of isolation—from which, by the 1960s, Spain was emerging—the success of Real Madrid was a significant tool of legitimization and patriotic pride…Franco’s status as a political pariah and the image of Spain as a downtrodden, miserable place was palliated by soccer success and the joy it brought…the regime celebrated Madrid’s feats, even if they were invariably packaged as a patriotic rather than explicitly political…Madrid were not reluctant contributors to the promoting of Spain’s image although to what extent this can be read as a white-washing of the regime is another matter entirely…The idea of Real Madrid representing Spain was an obsession for Bernabéu, one he drilled into his players in cities with a large Spanish expat community.”

After moving beyond their histories under Francoist Spain, Fear and Loathing in La Liga becomes a more rewarding read for those already familiar with Spanish football. Chapters alternate between the two sides, charting eras defined by their dominant figures: Kubala, Di Stéfano, Cruyff, Ronaldinho, Zidane and the Galácticos, and, of course, Ronaldo and Messi.




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« Reply #286 on: July 14, 2026, 03:04:18 PM »
Finished reading Carl Sagan’s only novel, Contact, published as hard science fiction in 1985, and the basis for its 1997 film version.

After earning her doctorate in radio astronomy, Ellie opts for a riskier career path by taking the reigns of a SETI project (Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence), placing her on the fringe of the scientific community. Ellie’s project eventually detects radio signals aimed at earth from Vega, an especially bright star in the northern skies. The signals consist of prime numbers, and once Ellie is able to bring aboard interest from fellow scientists, its sequences of numbers are decoded to reveal broadcasts of the earliest television footage dating back to the 1930s. Ellie and her fellow scientists interpret this as another interstellar world acknowledging mutually intelligent life on Earth. Further signal decoding ultimately reveals extensive instructions for constructing an advanced machine of unknown purpose.

Contact leans heavily into the basis of its hard science, speculating less on the potential natures and aims of extraterrestrials and focusing more on how advanced extraterrestrial life, after detecting intelligent life, would realistically go about contacting Earth by using mathematics as a universal language. As with his nonfiction books, Sagan makes the more difficult scientific concepts of his content digestible for a typical reader. Though the narrative buildup is drawn out, with construction of the machine taking years, its slog is realistic to a project like this inexorably slowed by bureaucracy, the limited pace of technological advancement, and moral opposition. And though, outside of Ellie, the novel’s characters are cardboard cutouts for voicing their agendas – religious opposition, Soviet competition, political hijacking, and Billionaires buying their way into the design phase – this is typical of older science fiction in which characters are projections of competing ideas relating to the featured science. Contact’s final payoff is worth it.


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« Reply #287 on: July 14, 2026, 03:18:26 PM »
Finished reading Carl Sagan’s only novel, Contact, published as hard science fiction in 1985, and the basis for its 1997 film version.

After earning her doctorate in radio astronomy, Ellie opts for a riskier career path by taking the reigns of a SETI project (Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence), placing her on the fringe of the scientific community. Ellie’s project eventually detects radio signals aimed at earth from Vega, an especially bright star in the northern skies. The signals consist of prime numbers, and once Ellie is able to bring aboard interest from fellow scientists, its sequences of numbers are decoded to reveal broadcasts of the earliest television footage dating back to the 1930s. Ellie and her fellow scientists interpret this as another interstellar world acknowledging mutually intelligent life on Earth. Further signal decoding ultimately reveals extensive instructions for constructing an advanced machine of unknown purpose.

Contact leans heavily into the basis of its hard science, speculating less on the potential natures and aims of extraterrestrials and focusing more on how advanced extraterrestrial life, after detecting intelligent life, would realistically go about contacting Earth by using mathematics as a universal language. As with his nonfiction books, Sagan makes the more difficult scientific concepts of his content digestible for a typical reader. Though the narrative buildup is drawn out, with construction of the machine taking years, its slog is realistic to a project like this inexorably slowed by bureaucracy, the limited pace of technological advancement, and moral opposition. And though, outside of Ellie, the novel’s characters are cardboard cutouts for voicing their agendas – religious opposition, Soviet competition, political hijacking, and Billionaires buying their way into the design phase – this is typical of older science fiction in which characters are projections of competing ideas relating to the featured science. Contact’s final payoff is worth it.


So... You recommend it? 

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« Reply #288 on: July 14, 2026, 03:25:08 PM »
The Fermi Paradox sort of ignores the overwhelming distances between.....everything.  You could have 2 advanced societies in the closest 2 galaxies to each other actively looking for each other....and miss each other's evidence of existence by millions of years.

I'd argue the question of the existence of aliens is irrelevant, due to distance/time.
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« Reply #289 on: July 14, 2026, 03:29:10 PM »
Here's one I think a lot of the folks here would enjoy, as I know a lot of folks here enjoy nonfiction...



It tells the life story of Rudolf Diesel, the [obviously] inventor of the Diesel engine, from its inception until the eve of WWI. Months before the war, Diesel mysteriously vanished during a crossing of the English Channel.

The invention of the Diesel made him an enemy of Rockefeller (as it did not require true petrol), and his perhaps less than sufficient nationalism (and proliferation of Diesel technology around the world) made him a potential enemy of the Kaiser, especially as Germany was modernizing its military and developing Diesel submarines. So there was speculation that perhaps either could have been responsible for his disappearance. 

All in all, the story is really well-written and weaves in his life and activity, as well as the tumultuous wider business and geopolitical world in which the Diesel technology went from nonexistent to incredibly important. It reads more like fiction than a biography. 

I definitely recommend it, especially to this crowd...

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« Reply #290 on: July 15, 2026, 11:15:29 AM »
So... You recommend it?

Yes.

The hard science of Contact definitely holds up, though today, Contact reads more like older sci-fi in the mode of Heinlein or Bradbury, with lengthy conversations between characters representing their ideas and abstractions. And with so much time gone by, Sagan's 1980s publications are closer to 50s & 60s sci-fi than what's published now.

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #291 on: July 15, 2026, 11:28:06 AM »
The Fermi Paradox sort of ignores the overwhelming distances between.....everything.  
The argument is based on some civilization millions of years older than ours with technologies we could not imagine.  Even with technology we could envision, a civilization SHOULD be able to travel between stars with habitable planets over time and gradually occupy the galaxy.  Where would humanity be in say 500 years if we don't blow outselves up?  How about in a million years?

Distance is a problem that can be traversed with time ... and technology.




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« Reply #292 on: July 15, 2026, 11:59:01 AM »
The argument is based on some civilization millions of years older than ours with technologies we could not imagine.  Even with technology we could envision, a civilization SHOULD be able to travel between stars with habitable planets over time and gradually occupy the galaxy.  Where would humanity be in say 500 years if we don't blow outselves up?  How about in a million years?

Distance is a problem that can be traversed with time ... and technology.
The distance problem is really difficult unless there is truly faster-than-light (FTL) travel possible. Without that, I don't think a civilization meaningfully colonizing a large portion of a galaxy is possible, no matter how much time they have. 

The bigger issue with the Fermi paradox is not that we haven't encountered the physical beings from other civilizations, it's that we haven't detected them at all. Radio waves weigh nothing and travel at the speed of light. *That* is what could have been spreading throughout the galaxy for millions of years if all these advanced civilizations were out there, but we've been listening and all we're picking up is silence. 

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« Reply #293 on: July 15, 2026, 11:59:16 AM »
Yes.

The hard science of Contact definitely holds up, though today, Contact reads more like older sci-fi in the mode of Heinlein or Bradbury, with lengthy conversations between characters representing their ideas and abstractions. And with so much time gone by, Sagan's 1980s publications are closer to 50s & 60s sci-fi than what's published now.

Thanks. Just ordered and downloaded to the Kindle. 

 

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