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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #238 on: July 02, 2025, 09:31:19 AM »
I couldn't fall asleep last night, which is rare for me, so I pulled out the iPad and apologized to my wife and started reading this book.  At 3 AM, I finished it.


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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #239 on: August 07, 2025, 12:46:20 PM »
Finished reading Get Shorty by Elmore Leonard. A story of what if lower-rung mobsters happen their way into Hollywood film production? By the time of its 1990 publication, Leonard was an established screenwriter, and the novel’s dialogue driven scenes reflect this. Get Shorty effortlessly adapts to its more familiar screen version.

We begin with Chili Palmer, a loan shark loosely connected to the Miami underworld, heading west to chase down the overdue debts of a delinquent client. Once reaching Hollywood, he encounters a low-budget film producer who finds the details of Chili’s pursuits an intriguing movie pitch. With his alliance, Chili gradually finds himself evaluating scripts and pitching his own ideas to studio executives. And because show business is new business for the loan shark, the reader learns the ropes right alongside Chili:

“…tell him I’m willing to option the script.”
“What’s that mean?”
“You pay a certain amount to own the property for a year, take it off the market. It’s an option to buy. I paid five hundred against twenty-five thousand if I exercise the option, then another twenty-five at the start of principal photography.”


Though several of Chili’s trailing mob associates try to take charge of his time in Hollywood by muscling in on his debt collections, the mob subplot is kept in check, and Get Shorty lasts as captivating inside look at the film industry.


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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #240 on: August 07, 2025, 01:57:27 PM »
I remember liking the movie.  I've never read the book.

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #241 on: August 07, 2025, 08:44:10 PM »
Haven't read or watched.

 @CatsbyAZ was it good? I didn't want to read too much into your review lest there's be spoilers... 

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #242 on: August 08, 2025, 07:08:39 PM »
Yes. Worth the read just to get a sense of the ‘cool factor’ Hollywood’s scouring creators saw in Get Shorty that made it worth its 1995 film. Nineties movies frequently reflected nineties preoccupation with elevating whether someone was cool into marketable personal virtue, and Get Shorty nails cool characters. An attribute Elmore Leonard further pulled off with the characters of his 1992 novel Rum Punch, which later became Quentin Tarantino’s Jackie Brown (1997). Another movie striving to be cool at a time when even cereal mascots best be cool.

Rather than risking spoilers I’ll tell you how Get Shorty works. The novel is almost entirely written in dialogue (easing its transition to script). This is thanks to the author practicing what he preached – Elmore Leonard’s 10 Rules of Writing rely on dialogue developing and progressing stories. In line with Rule #9 – ‘Don’t go into great detail describing places and things’ – Hollywood as a setting is established not by colorful offhand description but through Chili voicing his first impressions of Los Angeles:

“…this town, it goes out in all directions…there’s no special look to the place. Miami has a look…high rises on the beach. Here, wherever you look it’s something different. There homes’ll knock your eyes out, but there’s a lot of cheap stuff too. I think the movie business is the same way. There aren’t any rules…What’re movies about? They’re all different, except the ones that’re just like other movies that made money…’cause there’s nobody in charge.”

To elaborate on the last observation of my previous post: "the mob subplot is kept in check", I appreciated Get Shorty finding itself annoyed and unimpressed by its own gangsters: “It was kid stuff with these guys, the way they acted tough. These guys never grew up. Still, if they were holding a pair of scissors in your face when they told you something, you agreed to it.”

Looking back, Nineties entertainment was overpopulated with mobsters, gangsters, hitman, and tough guys who thought themselves too cool.

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #243 on: August 08, 2025, 07:52:46 PM »
Sold. Just delivered to my Kindle...

Apparently it's book 1 of 2 in a series... Have you read Be Cool

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #244 on: August 09, 2025, 06:57:49 AM »
Yes. Worth the read just to get a sense of the ‘cool factor’ Hollywood’s scouring creators saw in Get Shorty that made it worth its 1995 film. when they told you something, you agreed to it.”

Looking back, Nineties entertainment was overpopulated with mobsters, gangsters, hitman, and tough guys who thought themselves too cool.
Is that complete composition yours? Like a professionally written critique and review by the top guys at all the chic and in vogue rags at the the time.I'm not fond of mob movies unless it's an action comedy like Midnight Run(great flick). I'm not streaming right now but I'll catch that i guess
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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #245 on: August 10, 2025, 09:58:41 PM »
Sold. Just delivered to my Kindle...

Apparently it's book 1 of 2 in a series... Have you read Be Cool?

Not yet - haven't read or got around to its 2005 film. My next Elmore Leonard novel will be Rum Punch, which I might've mentioned was made into the film Jackie Brown by Quentin Tarantino, who learned, in part, to write his famously elaborate, conversational style of dialogue from avidly reading Leonard’s novels.

Tarantino is even quoted as admitting: “I have been reading Leonard since I was 14 and got caught stealing his novel The Switch from K-Mart.”

I bring up the Tarantino connection not because I’m a fan of his films (not at all), but because it’s intriguing for me to trace industry trends to their originating influences. The trend in this case is dialogue. Tarantino and Joss Whedon are the two screenwriters most responsible for how Hollywood dialogue has come to be written with more conversational banter, and with a more self-aware, “meta” tone where characters, in postmodern fashion, go so far as to acknowledge they are speaking dialogue within a movie.

Quite often, overly self-aware characters are tedious, but with Tarantino’s (and Whedon's) screenwriting influence still felt (for better or worse), I find it worth coming across the sources of who/what informed his successful styles and executions.

To bring this full circle: 1) Pulp Fiction’s famous dialogue was influenced by how Elmore Leonard wrote and emphasized dialogue, 2) the success of Pulp Fiction (1994) spurred Leonard’s Get Shorty being filmed and released the followed year (1995), 3) Be Cool (2005), the sequel to Get Shorty, pays several homages to Pulp Fiction’s more famous scenes, most notably the scene of Travolta and Thurman's characters dancing, who both star in both films (with Travolta also staring in Get Shorty). So, in reverse "meta"-ness, the influencer (Leonard) pays homage to whom he's influenced (Tarantino).

Is that complete composition yours? Like a professionally written critique and review by the top guys at all the chic and in vogue rags at the the time.

Yes, my analysis after thinking too much about this stuff…

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #246 on: August 20, 2025, 10:55:15 AM »
I recently read Abundance, by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson. I've been familiar with Klein for many years going back to my blogging days, and always found him a very smart and thoughtful writer, even if we didn't always agree politically.

I don't want to debate politics, so if you want to go that route, please do not respond. I personally am of a largely libertarian bent. For some, that means a jerk who wants the government to stay away so they can do despicable things. For others--like me--that's someone with broadly liberal values who sees all the ways that liberal government has failed to live up to--or even thrown up roadblocks in front of--those values. One of the guys from Reason once said "Ezra Klein will die a libertarian", because he thought Klein would see that what he wanted was unachievable via the methods [gov't] he believed necessary to achieve them.

Preamble aside, that's essentially what this book is. It's a book written by liberals, for liberals, explaining why liberalism is actually failing to result in--liberalism. He's not speaking to conservatives or anyone that doesn't share those liberal values. He's speaking to liberals explaining why and how their ideals actually resulted in building a government that can't fulfill those ideals. How we've spent so much time trying to make sure that everything we do is done "right" that we end up doing... Nothing at all.

The intro to the book states this:

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This book is dedicated to a simple idea: to have the future we want, we have to build and invent more of what we need. That’s it. That’s the thesis.

Essentially he looks at this through multiple areas (the first word is the chapter title):

  • Grow - Looking at things like housing stock, affordable housing, etc. Dealing with things like NIMBYism, zoning regulations, and all the other entrenched ways in which we prevent building housing, which [naturally] means that we have no chance of housing being affordable because it's supply-constrained.
  • Build - Looking at things like infrastructure spending, high speed rail, green energy, etc. How projects get tied up in mountains upon mountains of red tape, environmental impact reviews, etc. How every regulation--though well meaning--means that everything we try to build is slower and more expensive than it "should be", if it gets built at all.
  • Govern - Looking at the ways that government--often in a well-meaning way to avoid repeated past problems--stops progress. And how the incentives are reversed... If you are in government and you have the opportunity greenlight 99 successful projects and 1 screwup, well it might be better to greenlight nothing because you don't want that screwup. Instead of seeking success, the goal is to avoid failure. 
  • Invent - Looking at things like the NIH and NSF. Largely that these are the government agencies that are supposed to be advancing health and science, but that they are largely SO worried about being called wasteful that they greenlight grants for the most milquetoast ideas unlikely to fail but unlikely to truly advance the science, and avoid the big ideas that are high-risk, high-reward. It largely centers around the scientist who decades ago had some funky ideas about the opportunities of mRNA but was getting absolutely no traction because everyone was focused on DNA and "the establishment" largely thought mRNA was a dead end. But it also highlights that the structure of DARPA is the opposite of NIH/NSF--they empower their "project managers" to take on risky, big idea, projects. And as a result, DARPA has had a pretty significant hit rate on developing real things that have changed the world... Like the internet that we're communicating through right now.
  • Deploy - Largely looks at the "Eureka myth" and gets into the nitty gritty about deployment of new ideas is an area that the US falls behind. An example is solar... It was invented in the US, but into the 1980s the funding on development was gutted and abandoned by the US, and where we could have been world leaders, we're laggers. And makes examples of many other areas where doing something overseas is just easier, because we don't get out of the way. But then it uses a counterexample--Operation Warp Speed. Where suddenly you decide to bypass all the BS, and lo and behold, America actually still DOES know how to get something done when you let it [and support it $$]!

In the final summary chapter, they also touch on the "degrowth agenda"--the idea that you tell Americans that the answer to scarcity is to reduce consumption, reduce energy usage, and generally to accept a lower material standard of living. That not only is this a political loser, but that ultimately the story of history is that invention creates abundance. That some of the scarcity we experience today is not due to limited resources, it's due to a lack of invention that allows a greater standard of living based on the resources we already have--including the energy output of the sun that we can harness without doing things like burning fossil fuels and adding CO2 into the atmosphere.

Ultimately, the message is that we can achieve a world better than we have today, something that it seems was once the soul of liberalism. But that it's the tying down the engine of abundance (building/inventing/deploying), usually by well-meaning people for well-meaning reasons, that keeps us from getting there. And that the idea of a "degrowth agenda" is going to fail because you can't tell voters to want something they don't want. You have to articulate how you're going to build something they do want. And what they want is Abundance.

That's a long way of saying that this is a political book, written by a liberal for liberals, that was highly enjoyed by this libertarian. I think that many of the folks on this board--whether you agree with Klein politically or not [and I know most here do not]--would enjoy the book as well. 

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Re: OT - Books
« Reply #247 on: August 20, 2025, 12:51:05 PM »
I had some experiences way back with NSF/NIH.  I view them as "hidebound", as suggested above.  A professor with a "name" will get grant on about anything.

Grant proposals on mainstream stuff has a better shot, by far, than something risky and innovative by a young professor.

 

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