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Entropy

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #588 on: August 18, 2020, 10:29:52 AM »
if a school was smart they'd move to on-line learning this fall but keep/allow athletes to move to campus.  You'd have the bubble that would allow sports to exist and everyone would be online for school.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #589 on: August 18, 2020, 01:10:35 PM »
Then they look like a semi-pro league (as opposed to what they really are, a semi-pro league)...
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #590 on: August 18, 2020, 01:15:41 PM »
Sounds like parents are going to B1G to protest
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #591 on: August 18, 2020, 01:16:58 PM »
I love protests, can I go too?
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #592 on: August 18, 2020, 01:21:01 PM »
A fellow I knew at work got "discouraged" once and went to see the Director, who agreed to talk to him.  My buddy came out of that chat really upbeat.  "He really listened!  I am thrilled!" he said.

Over lunch, I asked him what the Director said to him, and whether he had agreed to make any actual changes in anything.  My buddy talked for a while, and suddenly it dawned on him, the Director had soft soaped him entirely, saying pleasing words and "feeling his pain" and agreeing with his complaints.

And committing to NOTHING.  At all.

I managed to depress him considerably, and of course, in time, not a thing changed.

It's a technique many managers learn along the way, listen, or pretend to, and nod, and agree, and commit to nothing of substance, kinda like signing some CO2 reduction plan in Paris.  Most folks are thrilled with the news, and they don't realize you really committed to doing nothing on your watch.  Lip service, it fools a LOT of people even today.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #593 on: August 18, 2020, 01:34:28 PM »

Quote from: Entropy on August 18, 2020, 10:29:52 AM
if a school was smart they'd move to on-line learning this fall but keep/allow athletes to move to campus.  You'd have the bubble that would allow sports to exist and everyone would be online for school.

Give me this 100%. If the players don't have anyone to go 'student' with, then they stay in their bubble and they stay safe.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #594 on: August 18, 2020, 01:50:30 PM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on August 18, 2020, 01:34:28 PM

Give me this 100%. If the players don't have anyone to go 'student' with, then they stay in their bubble and they stay safe.
If they can adequately enforce it, sure. 

However, a lot of students live in off-campus housing year-round. Shutting down dorms doesn't get rid of them. Many of them have jobs and don't want to go "home" for the summer anyway; campus is home. So much like the football players, a significant population of students will still be around for their distance learning. 

The NBA created a real bubble. Quite literally people are in a controlled environment 24/7. 

If the B1G athletic programs can actually create a bubble. One that is complete (all tutors, support staff, coaches, athletes, referees, etc buy in) and is enforced, then I think it can work. 

But MLB has shown that if you don't have a true bubble, you might as well have nothing.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #595 on: August 18, 2020, 01:54:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 18, 2020, 01:21:01 PM
A fellow I knew at work got "discouraged" once and went to see the Director, who agreed to talk to him.  My buddy came out of that chat really upbeat.  "He really listened!  I am thrilled!" he said.

Over lunch, I asked him what the Director said to him, and whether he had agreed to make any actual changes in anything.  My buddy talked for a while, and suddenly it dawned on him, the Director had soft soaped him entirely, saying pleasing words and "feeling his pain" and agreeing with his complaints.

And committing to NOTHING.  At all.

I managed to depress him considerably, and of course, in time, not a thing changed.

It's a technique many managers learn along the way, listen, or pretend to, and nod, and agree, and commit to nothing of substance, kinda like signing some CO2 reduction plan in Paris.  Most folks are thrilled with the news, and they don't realize you really committed to doing nothing on your watch.  Lip service, it fools a LOT of people even today.


Just look at the pushback on the protests in Portland. It is hard to get change, as a lot of people are invested in keeping keeping things from changing. But to the hardest workers go the changes.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #596 on: August 18, 2020, 03:27:18 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 18, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
If they can adequately enforce it, sure.

However, a lot of students live in off-campus housing year-round. Shutting down dorms doesn't get rid of them. Many of them have jobs and don't want to go "home" for the summer anyway; campus is home. So much like the football players, a significant population of students will still be around for their distance learning.

The NBA created a real bubble. Quite literally people are in a controlled environment 24/7.

If the B1G athletic programs can actually create a bubble. One that is complete (all tutors, support staff, coaches, athletes, referees, etc buy in) and is enforced, then I think it can work.

But MLB has shown that if you don't have a true bubble, you might as well have nothing.

Yeah, just because universities might end up going to online-only lessons, it doesn't mean the students are leaving the college town and going back to their hometowns.  If the dorms close, some will have to do that, but all the kids living off-campus (which at UT is about 80% or 32,000 undergrads) will continue to live around campus, and they will continue to do college kid things like keg parties and hooking up.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #597 on: August 18, 2020, 04:05:09 PM »
Even DeWine isn't scared, and he has been a vocal leader of the mangina movement this entire time. 


https://twitter.com/OHSAASports/status/1295806124701163521?s=20
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #598 on: August 18, 2020, 04:33:41 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 01:54:45 PM
Just look at the pushback on the protests in Portland. It is hard to get change, as a lot of people are invested in keeping keeping things from changing. But to the hardest workers go the changes.
It’s especially hard to get changed when the overwhelming majority of citizens are opposed to the change in question.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #599 on: August 18, 2020, 05:23:19 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 01:54:45 PM
Just look at the pushback on the protests in Portland. It is hard to get change, as a lot of people are invested in keeping keeping things from changing. But to the hardest workers go the changes.
Check back in a year or two about what really changed.

Lip service mostly.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #600 on: August 18, 2020, 05:45:06 PM »
Notre Dame flips to remote learning after outbreaks
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #601 on: August 18, 2020, 05:54:37 PM »
Add Notre Dame to the list of schools that successfully duped its students for money.  

Caveat Emptor.
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