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Cincydawg · « **Reply #602 on:** August 18, 2020, 06:00:25 PM »

Duped. Sort of, sort of maybe not. You pay money to get the degree, the diploma, whether you learned anything useful or not is irrelevant in many fields.

You have the degree, perhaps with a 3+ GPA. What did you learn? Meh.

I was ignorant as a stone after my BS. I just didn't know it. I was still ignorant as a PhD, the difference was, this time I knew it.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #603 on:** August 18, 2020, 06:44:12 PM »

If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?

utee94 · « **Reply #604 on:** August 18, 2020, 06:57:55 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 06:44:12 PM

If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?

I don't think a bubble is realistic because I don't think college kids are going to be willing to do the same things-- make the same sacrifices in their personal lives-- as professionals, that are getting paid to play.

So in real life, what would happen is very different. As we discussed on the 2020 thread, just because a school is "online-only" doesn't mean the students all go back to their home towns and never interact. Maybe the ones that live on-campus in dorms, IF the school closes down the dorms of course which not all of them will.

But the truth is that a huge number of college kids live off campus and aren't going to go back to their hometowns just because school is online-only. Some have jobs in their college towns that they need, and others just don't want to go back to their parents' homes. At Texas, 80% of students live off-campus. That's 32,000 kids. And just because the classes might be online-only, they're still going to be doing college kid things like keg parties and hooking up. And football players are going to participate in those activities regardless of whether the football season happens, or not.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #605 on:** August 18, 2020, 07:09:08 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 18, 2020, 06:57:55 PM

I don't think a bubble is realistic because I don't think college kids are going to be willing to do the same things-- make the same sacrifices in their personal lives-- as professionals, that are getting paid to play.

Exactly. And the chain is only as strong as the weakest link... And in a roster of 85ish scholarship players and a dozen or more walk-ons... There are a lot of opportunities for weak links.

As mentioned, the Seahawks just cut an undrafted free agent because he was trying to sneak a girl into the team hotel.

A UDFA!!! The exact guy who should be on his best behavior because he's already a long-shot to make the team, and because a single season at league minimum could set his retirement fund up forever. And he couldn't even maintain a bubble.

If you could pull off a bubble and actually get buy-in from everyone, it would be fine. I don't believe that's within the realm of possibility though.

ELA · « **Reply #606 on:** August 18, 2020, 07:12:51 PM »

Michigan OT Jalen Mayfield, projected top 15 NFL Draft pick, opting out, entering the draft

MaximumSam · « **Reply #607 on:** August 18, 2020, 07:28:17 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on August 18, 2020, 07:09:08 PM

Exactly. And the chain is only as strong as the weakest link... And in a roster of 85ish scholarship players and a dozen or more walk-ons... There are a lot of opportunities for weak links.

As mentioned, the Seahawks just cut an undrafted free agent because he was trying to sneak a girl into the team hotel.

A UDFA!!! The exact guy who should be on his best behavior because he's already a long-shot to make the team, and because a single season at league minimum could set his retirement fund up forever. And he couldn't even maintain a bubble.

If you could pull off a bubble and actually get buy-in from everyone, it would be fine. I don't believe that's within the realm of possibility though.

I kind of of disagree - to the extent that professionals are in charge of their own time and aren't used to lots of structure or organization of their free time. College athletes, especially during the season, are nothing but organized. They have practice, class, study tables, practice, games, sleep and that's about it. I think it would be an easier transition to a bubble for a college student compared to a pro athlete. Further, there is looking to be a lot more social pressure on guys to fall in line - parents protesting, Justin Fields starting petitions, etc.

So say you had six teams that went into a bubble, stayed at a hotel, played a five week season with perhaps a championship game. Logistic concerns aside, would that be worth trying to do?

bayareabadger · « **Reply #608 on:** August 18, 2020, 07:32:12 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 18, 2020, 06:57:55 PM

I don't think a bubble is realistic because I don't think college kids are going to be willing to do the same things-- make the same sacrifices in their personal lives-- as professionals, that are getting paid to play.

So in real life, what would happen is very different. As we discussed on the 2020 thread, just because a school is "online-only" doesn't mean the students all go back to their home towns and never interact. Maybe the ones that live on-campus in dorms, IF the school closes down the dorms of course which not all of them will.

But the truth is that a huge number of college kids live off campus and aren't going to go back to their hometowns just because school is online-only. Some have jobs in their college towns that they need, and others just don't want to go back to their parents' homes. At Texas, 80% of students live off-campus. That's 32,000 kids. And just because the classes might be online-only, they're still going to be doing college kid things like keg parties and hooking up. And football players are going to participate in those activities regardless of whether the football season happens, or not.

You're forgetting the most important part: They're already playing for those apartments.

Now there's the tradeoff. Home has lower expenses. Off-campus has friends, and a room you can bring a person back to that doesn't share a wall with your parents.

What I'm saying is, I remain steadfastly skeptical of any football season unless attitudes swing in a large way toward being fine with modest to large swaths of kids testing positive, both in terms of the public and nominally responsible parties.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #609 on:** August 18, 2020, 08:08:42 PM »

Sparty telling people to not even come to campus

bayareabadger · « **Reply #610 on:** August 18, 2020, 08:22:16 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 18, 2020, 05:54:37 PM

Add Notre Dame to the list of schools that successfully duped its students for money.

Caveat Emptor.

This logic feels interesting.

It implies the schools should've just told them to say home. Which I suppose is more honest than having them come on board and then leave, but also seems like it would've raised a mess of hackles in its own way.

Like folks can argue giving it some measure of college try was actually duplicitous, but there was also a strong push to give it a try. (I suppose it feels like a push of try harder is missing from some of the comments. I dunno)

utee94 · « **Reply #611 on:** August 18, 2020, 10:24:28 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on August 18, 2020, 08:22:16 PM

This logic feels interesting.

It implies the schools should've just told them to say home. Which I suppose is more honest than having them come on board and then leave, but also seems like it would've raised a mess of hackles in its own way.

Like folks can argue giving it some measure of college try was actually duplicitous, but there was also a strong push to give it a try. (I suppose it feels like a push of try harder is missing from some of the comments. I dunno)

Yup, it does indeed imply that.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #612 on:** August 18, 2020, 11:37:49 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 18, 2020, 10:24:28 PM

Yup, it does indeed imply that.

I guess I got the sense from your tone you were not in favor of that level of shutdown, but that might be me scanning and mixing up your posts with other folks'. If that's the case, I misunderstood.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #613 on:** August 19, 2020, 12:22:26 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 06:44:12 PM

If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?

Made me laugh because I immediately agreed with the logic of your post. Then I thought, "Just a moment, a bubble with no chicks?"
How is this going to work with 18-23 year old men, and where are their women?
My secondary concern is, "Couldn't you at least add Michigan State or Minnesota so Iowa has a 50% chance of avoiding last place?"

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #614 on:** August 19, 2020, 12:27:18 AM »

Just let it build up the whole season.

ELA · « **Reply #615 on:** August 19, 2020, 01:07:28 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2020, 06:44:12 PM

If schools are going to be in a remote learning situation, it makes a bubble for sports a lot more doable. Could you put OSU, UM, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Penn State in a bubble in Indianapolis and have a season?

Eh, is that even college football at that point? You've eliminated all of the reasons I prefer something other than the top-level of the sport

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