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MaximumSam

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #560 on: August 17, 2020, 09:23:14 AM »
I spent 32 painful if remunerative years working at a place that emphasized "process" over "results".  It makes me sick to think about it.

To me, it's hand waving, feel good notional aspirational burfle.  I'll stick with hard core metrics myself.
It doesn't matter how you "feel" about it. Everything, that ha ever happened, had some process that went along with it. Either you understand the process or you don't. I don't understand everything that went into my morning coffee. I just care that I drank it. That doesn't erase everything that went into making it. It's just not something I care about.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #561 on: August 17, 2020, 09:28:32 AM »
You are welcome to think some petition means anything, in your process oriented world.

I don't, and it won't.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #562 on: August 17, 2020, 09:35:51 AM »
You are welcome to think some petition means anything, in your process oriented world.

I don't, and it won't.
Some day they will play and you'll be like, well, who knows how that happened.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #563 on: August 17, 2020, 09:40:00 AM »
Of course they will play SOME DAY.  And whenever that is will have NOTHING to do with some lame petition.

Duh.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #564 on: August 17, 2020, 09:41:29 AM »
Of course, it is well known that players and coaches have no say in what goes on in football.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #565 on: August 17, 2020, 10:12:26 AM »

So, what is the increased risk to players if they play versus if they do not play?
I pointed it out.

  • Football players on the field are inherently unable to physically distance, wear masks, or do anything to protect themselves from the virus. 
  • Football players off the field are not in any sort of "bubble" like you see in the NBA.
  • Team sizes make it much more likely than any other sport that someone might "slip through the cracks" and be asymptomatic/presymptomatic and contagious, either due to the infection being recent enough that they don't test positive or due to a false negative test. 
  • A single player on the field, due to the heavy player rotations, close proximity to others, and contact, is likely going to become a "superspreader" incident, resulting in dozens of infections caused directly to other players and then significant spread outward from there.

Off the field, players can physically distance. They can wear masks. They can voluntarily avoid large groupings of people. And even if they are not doing all those things, outside of being on a crowded dance floor in a bar there is no other situation in daily life that mimics the amount of close contact that occurs on the football field, so infections aren't nearly as likely to be "superspreader" incidents as they would be on the field. 


Off the field, a player might get exposed or infected by coronavirus. However, the risks of spreading it to a dozen members of his own team and a dozen members of his opponent's team in a single incident is a hell of a lot lower than it is on the field.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #566 on: August 17, 2020, 10:44:11 AM »
So what is the likelihood that the demands made by PAC12 and Big Ten players contributed to the cancellation of the season?
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« Reply #567 on: August 17, 2020, 10:59:37 AM »
I see the petition signing stuff on Facebook too much

I'm going over to the climate change thread and start a petition, if we can get enough signatures I'm sure that will help
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« Reply #568 on: August 17, 2020, 11:09:27 AM »




1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #569 on: August 17, 2020, 11:34:53 AM »
So what is the likelihood that the demands made by PAC12 and Big Ten players contributed to the cancellation of the season?
Difficult to rule it out.  There was a spin going into the season that the evil administrators were going to make the kids play to make money.  So actions by the players to protections certainly fit into that spin.  But perhaps that spin was off.  Everything is kind of a huge pain in the ass right now, and the evil administrators are trying to figure out how to have college at all, much less college football.  So with the kids not wanting to play and the administrators wanting to avoid a huge headache, they just call the season.  But they haven't been transparent, and clearly not everyone is on board.

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #570 on: August 17, 2020, 11:46:32 AM »
Olympic Sports have a similar geographical divide.

Holdouts
American Athletic — 11
ACC — 15
ASUN — 9
Big 12 — 9 
Conference USA — 12 left (ODU to spring)
Horizon — 9
Missouri Valley — 10
Ohio Valley — 12
SEC — 13
Southern — 9
Sun Belt — 12
Total — 121

Postponed
America East — 7
Atlantic 10 — 10
Big East — 11
Big South — 10
Big Sky — 11
Big Ten — 14
Big West — 11
Colonial — 9
Conference USA — 1, the league has not announced, but Old Dominion has gone to the spring
Ivy — 8
Metro Atlantic — 10
MEAC — 11
Mid-American — 12
Mountain West — 11
Northeast — 8
Patriot — 7, Army and Navy have both said they will play this fall, if only against each other
Pac-12 — 12
Summit — 9
Southland — 13
SWAC — 10
WAC —10
West Coast — 10
Total — 215

https://volleyballmag.com/ncaa-volleyball-stanford-081320/
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #571 on: August 17, 2020, 11:52:31 AM »
I spent 32 painful if remunerative years working at a place that emphasized "process" over "results".  It makes me sick to think about it.

To me, it's hand waving, feel good notional aspirational burfle.  I'll stick with hard core metrics myself.
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Re: Odds we have a football season poll
« Reply #572 on: August 17, 2020, 11:54:30 AM »
Dr. Brian Hainline, the NCAA’s chief medical officer, appeared on CNN to talk about fall sports just after midnight on Sunday morning. The audience for CNN at that late hour was probably pretty limited, but that didn’t stop him from giving his honest, professional opinion about the possibility of college sports amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

Spoiler: It’s not great.

No optimism about sports
“The pathway to play sports is so exceedingly narrow right now,” Hainline said on CNN, via Chris Vannini of The Athletic. “Everything would have to line up perfectly.”

A major part of that “everything” is testing, which still isn’t up to snuff.

“Right now, if testing in the US stays the way it is, there’s no way we can go forward with sports,” Hainline said via Stewart Mandel of The Athletic.


https://sports.yahoo.com/nca-as-top-doctor-if-testing-stays-as-it-is-theres-no-way-we-could-go-forward-with-sports-152910374.html
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« Reply #573 on: August 17, 2020, 12:54:17 PM »
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