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Topic: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)

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OrangeAfroMan

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New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« on: April 19, 2022, 10:28:59 PM »
From an ESPN article I actually liked, mislabeled a superconference - the P5 breaking away from the G5. 
I didn't know these particulars, so it's nice to learn something -
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back in the 70s and into the 80s, Division 1 football had swelled to 140 schools.  Some conferences, including the Ivy League, were part of the have-nots, and went down to 1-AA (a split). 
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With 2 new schools moving up (Jacksonville St and Sam Houston St), FBS will be at 133 schools.
The idea I like from the article is just the P5 conferences splitting away.  With the newly-expanded Big 12 teams getting in under the wire, plus ND and BYU, that'd be 70 schools.
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70 schools to mainly play each other, only 70 to keep track of and worry about and that have a chance at a national championship (like now, only without the big lie about the others having any shot).
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Beyond that, there could be another separation, perhaps among the SEC + B1G + some invitation-only others.  That'd be around 40-42 schools at the top level. 
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Maybe it's just my stupidity, but I hadn't ever connected the split back in the 70s to what may be occurring in the not-so-distant future here. 
Any thoughs?
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2022, 10:59:40 PM »
It's coming. The main question I have is your mid-to-low-tier teams. Do you abandon Vandy, Wake, K-State? (I'm trying to think which B1G team would be there, but none is really popping. IU maybe?)

The funny thing is, that split potentially causes more issues down the line. In truth, it's a feature, not a bug that team that finishes with the 13th-worst record in the SEC is at the level of getting a little prize. No one is happy with that, but they're much happier than if they went 3-9. And a more consolidated sport means more 3-9s. 

It's also interesting that there weren't that many more conferences. Only four more than now, two more than a decade ago. But you had more than 30 independents, vs 4 now. 

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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2022, 02:47:21 AM »
Ivy League
Missouri Valley Conf - NMST, Tulsa, S.Illinois, Drake, Indiana St, Wichita St, W.Texas A&M
Pacific Coast Athletic Assoc - San Jose St, Utah St, Pacific, CS-Fullerton, Long Beach St, Fresno St
Southern - Furman, Chattanooga, App St, W.Carolina, Citadel, VMI, Marshall
Southland - LA Tech, Ark St, Texas-Arlington, McNeese St, Louisiana, Lamar
Independents - Holy Cross, William & Mary, N'Western St, Villanova, Colgate, Richmond, Illinois St
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Some of these worked their way back up to Div 1-A (FBS), but I'm looking at it like the sport was perfectly fine having these programs drop down a peg.  Doing the same now wouldn't harm the sport, which is what our concern should be.  Whether or not Akron or Troy or UNLV can maintain it's role as a struggling, middling, irrelevant football program shouldn't be a deciding factor.  
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 04:38:16 AM »
What would be the advantage of another split?


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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2022, 06:19:28 AM »
What would be the advantage of another split?


Better games for the fans.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2022, 06:26:05 AM »
How would this impact scheduling?  P5 teams couldn't schedule G5 teams any more?

Seems like a division that already exists really, with no substantive impact I can discern.

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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2022, 06:44:31 AM »
I would like to see 6 conferences - each with 11 schools. 

No CCG needed as everyone plays everyone else in conference. 

3 games OOC, and only one dip down game is allowed.


East Coast - Led by PSU and ND (add RU, UMd, BC, Pitt, WVU, VT, Cuse, Louisville, Cincy)

B1G - Led by UM and OSU (B1G - PSU, RU and UMd)

SEC - Led by Bama and Florida (SEC - Ark, aTm, Mizzou)

Big 11 - Led by Texas and OU (old Big 12 - Baylor and Tech/KSU, add Ark)

ACC - Led by Clemson and FSU (old ACC - Wake)

PAC 11 - Led by USC and UCLA (old Pac 12 - O/Wsu. Pick one)
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2022, 07:05:37 AM »
East Coast Conference:

Penn State
Notre Dame
Rutgers
Maryland
Boston College
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Syracuse
Louisville
Cincinnati
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2022, 07:08:41 AM »
Better games for the fans.
Ya I'm not so sure remember the kerfluffle when Miami,VTech and BC left the Big East and Joined the ACC and all the arms were up in the air.A new super football conference everyone opined.With grid iron giants Miami,Seminoles and seemingly VTech emerging.Well those posers fell on their faces football wise and lowly Clemson and Dabo emerged. So I submit to you council of elders do we really want more Dabos?
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2022, 07:43:29 AM »
Teams still schedule "Div 1-AA" opponents, I don't see this kind of change would alter scheduling at all.

It seems like paperwork, unless I'm missing something.

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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2022, 08:00:56 AM »
No more FCS/1-AA games. 10 conference games, 2 P5 OOC games minimum. Only one G5 game allowed. 
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2022, 08:14:36 AM »
OK, but just splitting FBS further doesn't do any of that, it's just paperwork, unless one adds new rules.


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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2022, 08:20:10 AM »
I added the new rules. It's done.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2022, 08:23:34 AM »
I think your math may be off.

 

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