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Topic: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)

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FearlessF

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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2022, 06:57:50 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 20, 2022, 09:04:59 AM
I would be ecstatic to see my school play the entire B1G every year. Instead, we are fed this crap.


Blame your AD
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2022, 06:59:13 PM »
The late-90s Big 10 eleven teams could be a special division.  None of the other conferences have a special 11, exactly.  The SEC was at 10 for a long time, the Pac was at 8, then 10, then 12.  BUT - CU could be 'odd man out' as switching divisions would put them back with some old Big 8 brethren.  
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From the ACC, you'd have the AAU members vying for B1G entry and the ones valuing football dollars happy with an SEC invite.  It would all work out nicely.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2022, 07:20:36 PM »
Big 10 (11) but really 22:
UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, IU, PU, Illini, NW, Wis, Minn, Iowa
UNL, Pitt, Duke, GT, UNC, UVa, RU, UMd, ND, Syr, BC
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SEC
A&M, Texas, OU, LSU, Ark, Miz, OM, MSU, Ala, Aub, FSU
Fla, UGA, Miami, USCe, UK, Van, Tenn, VT, NCST, Clem, NCST
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The Big West Coast and Mountain and yet Plains Conference:
UW, WSU, UO, ORST, Cal, Stan, USC, UCLA, UA, ASU, Utah
CU, BYU, TTU, KU, TCU, Bay, OKST, KSU, ISU, UH, WV, Cinci
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So here, the biggest loser is probably Louisville.  Wake is dropped.  UCF's big plans are over.  But those are some minor snubs, no?  
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Also in this scenario, I see the Big 10-11-22 and the SEC saying, "yeah, no, we're not sharing the giant pool of money with you anymore, Big West" about 15 years down the line.  And you'd have another schism, with the 2 monsters poaching the prettiest pieces of the Big West's sinking ship.  More expansion and an adieu to your 11-team divisions.  
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2022, 07:23:06 PM »
Each division would be it's own thing, in essence.  They'd play all 10 in their division, 1 or a max of 2 from the other division, then whatever OOC games left for the schedule (1 or 2).  
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By "advancing" this far forward, you'd get what badge yearns for AND a very regional format again.  
The old Big Ten11, a new Big Ten22, the old SEC, a new SECACC, the old Pac-10, a new frankenstein monster.
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Fun.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2022, 09:34:36 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 20, 2022, 06:43:12 PM
Uhh, who opined that???
Many at the time the Noles and Canes where in the hardware discussion every year.BC & VT were on the upswing.VTech won the conference the 1st year,won the Coastal Division the Next year losing to the Noles for the Championship.Finished in the the top ten a couple of times,Noles & Canes uncharacteristicly started sliding after nearly 2 decades of dominance.Point being attempting to build the perfect beast of a conference doesn't mean it's going to happen
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2022, 09:44:32 PM »
I heard nothing like that at all.  The residual predictions I recall that didn't turn out to happen were that FSU and Miami would meet in the ACC CG every year.  I don't remember one mention of how strong the ACC suddenly would be.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2022, 09:53:47 PM »
Yes - What conference (at the time) based on recent resume had 1-2 punch like that,however it didn't materialize
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2022, 11:38:13 PM »
I'm not saying you're wrong, I just didn't hear it, and I was living in FL at the time.
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Miami was elite then, but FSU averaged 4 losses per season the 3 years before the ACC expanded.  They were both expected to kick ass IN the ACC, but with that being the expectation, that would suggest the attitude was that it wasn't a deep conference, and thus, not an especially strong one.
No?
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2022, 07:04:40 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 20, 2022, 06:59:13 PM
The late-90s Big 10 eleven teams could be a special division.  None of the other conferences have a special 11, exactly.  The SEC was at 10 for a long time, the Pac was at 8, then 10, then 12.  BUT - CU could be 'odd man out' as switching divisions would put them back with some old Big 8 brethren. 
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From the ACC, you'd have the AAU members vying for B1G entry and the ones valuing football dollars happy with an SEC invite.  It would all work out nicely.
No thanks to the ACC schools.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2022, 07:08:32 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 21, 2022, 07:04:40 AM
No thanks to the ACC schools.
Who then?  If it came out that the B1G invited 2 schools not named ND, who would your preference be?  Kansas?  Texas?  Florida?
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2022, 11:24:50 PM »
If 66 is too many, and you think it'd be more exclusive, it could just be a 16-team SEC, 16-team B1G (with ND and Pitt) and a 16-team "others," which would be geographically stupid.  
SEC w/ Texas + OU
B1G + ND + Pitt
Hodge-Podge Conf w/ some PAC, Big 12, and ACC teams.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2022, 06:36:51 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 21, 2022, 07:08:32 PM
Who then?  If it came out that the B1G invited 2 schools not named ND, who would your preference be?  Kansas?  Texas?  Florida?
If I had to take two?

USC and Stanford.
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2022, 09:49:09 AM »
Fcs has a wider chasm between the top and the bottom than Fbs does. So you'd have to split that up too. Then there'd be four levels instead of two levels. Meh.

Fwiw, The Ivy League initially stayed FBS until the early 80s
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Re: New split, like back in the 70s (1-A and 1-AA)
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2022, 10:15:41 AM »
There's already more than 4 levels, with Div II, III, and even NAIA (if it still exists).  The number of levels growing is not an issue.
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