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thanks Kenny Pickett! And right call imo. you either give yourself up with the slide or you don't. no in between, no fakery or tom foolery.

I always wondered why the Mike Vick play where he looks like he's about to go out of bounds, and then turns up field,  I think against West Virginia, was applauded.   Same idea, if you expect the defenders to pull up, then it should be an unsportsman like penalty to induce that, as a fake

thanks Kenny Pickett! And right call imo. you either give yourself up with the slide or you don't. no in between, no fakery or tom foolery.

Agree 100%.  And the rulebook already states this.  The ball is dead the moment the ballcarrier begins the slide.  Faking a slide is by definition beginning the slide, you can't fake it without beginning it, so the fake slide was already illegal by the words in the rulebook. However, if this clarification helps to eliminate the behavior then I'm fine with it.

I always wondered why the Mike Vick play where he looks like he's about to go out of bounds, and then turns up field,  I think against West Virginia, was applauded.  Same idea, if you expect the defenders to pull up, then it should be an unsportsman like penalty to induce that, as a fake

Agree 1000%.  Any rules or conventions that are designed for player safety, and are taken advantage of by the very player who is supposed to be in the protected class, should be declared a dead ball at the point of the fakery, and if the player continues then it should also be called as a penalty for either a delay of game, or an unsportsmanlike conduct.

The slide rule is stupid and they should have gotten rid of it

Agree 1000000%.  If the ballcarrier wants to avoid being hit, then he has the option to hit the ground well before the defenders arrive.  In college, going to the ground untouched ends the play.  Alternatively if the ballcarrier wants to strive for those few extra yards, then the consequence is getting hit.  This rule protects a ballcarrier who wants those extra yards but doesn't want to accept the consequences.  It's stupid and unnecessary.  Eliminate it.

Agree 1000000%.  If the ballcarrier wants to avoid being hit, then he has the option to hit the ground well before the defenders arrive.  In college, going to the ground untouched ends the play.  Alternatively if the ballcarrier wants to strive for those few extra yards, then the consequence is getting hit.  This rule protects a ballcarrier who wants those extra yards but doesn't want to accept the consequences.  It's stupid and unnecessary.  Eliminate it.

Disagree. The way the slide works is that the ball is down where the player INITIATES the slide if they go feet-first, and they can't be hit after that point. They're not fighting for extra yards. Since the player is down where the slide initiates, to allow a defender to tee off on the player in the process of the slide is essentially condoning a late hit. 

If you go head-first, you're fighting for extra yards and it's not really a "slide" any more--you can be hit.

it's not touch football

slide or not, if the ball carrier is not down, they deserve a hit

don't want to get jacked?  take a knee early

It's a dead ball as soon as the player STARTS to slide. So the ballcarrier is indeed "down". 

Just as a player who signals a fair catch is "down" as soon as he catches the ball, even though he's standing up. 

Disagree. The way the slide works is that the ball is down where the player INITIATES the slide if they go feet-first, and they can't be hit after that point. They're not fighting for extra yards. Since the player is down where the slide initiates, to allow a defender to tee off on the player in the process of the slide is essentially condoning a late hit.

If you go head-first, you're fighting for extra yards and it's not really a "slide" any more--you can be hit.

Disagree with you 1000000000%. 

We already have a rule for when the ball is down.  If the ballcarrier doesn't want to get hit, he can go down well before the defenders arrive.  But instead, the slide rule enables the ballcarrier to wait until the last possible moment, sometimes even after the defenders are committed to a hit, and then slide.  And let's be honest, the typical case here, is a QB who has made it past the first line of defenders, is in the open field, and is trying to make it past the line to gain.  The moment he clears that, he begins a slide, and any defender that was about to hit him, must take sometimes extraordinary measures NOT to hit, lest he get called with the foul of hitting the guy wearing a skirt.

The result is that the slide rule's sole purpose effectively becomes protecting a QB trying to gain a couple extra yards without the consequence of getting hit.  In the true version of this sport, without the stupid and unnecessary slide rule, if that quarterback doesn't want to get hit, he has the option of going down a couple of yards earlier, well before the defenders arrive.  Of course, that would mean he wouldn't get the 1st down.  So the slide rule's only real value is enabling a ballcarrier to get extra yardage they wouldn't otherwise be entitled to under the normal rules of the game.

I may be off my rocker, but it's hard for me to imagine a QB deciding to use the slide technique if no protection is given. So eliminating the rule wouldn't result in QB's getting lit up while sliding, it would eliminate QB's sliding.

Absolutely.  Eliminate the slide rule, and the QB still avoids the hit by going down a couple of yards earlier, or going out of bounds.  The mere existence of the slide rule enables the QB to scrap for more unearned yards than he deserves under the normal rules of the game.  

And if anyone hits a ballcarrier that goes down well before the defenders arrive, then we already have late hit/unnecessary roughness rules to address it.

The slide rule is stupid, redundant, and unnecessary to the game.  I'd love to see it eliminated.

I always wondered why the Mike Vick play where he looks like he's about to go out of bounds, and then turns up field,  I think against West Virginia, was applauded.  Same idea, if you expect the defenders to pull up, then it should be an unsportsman like penalty to induce that, as a fake

bc they don't give a crap about defense or defenders. they make it harder and harder to play defense with all these rules, and make it easier and easier to play offense. and they never enforce them equally. offenses rarely ever get called for stuff, but defenses get called for defensive holding/targeting/pass interference all the time, it's bullshit.

this is literally a rule change to help defenders...

was not talking about this rule- was referring to the play with Vick he was talking about.

this is a great step in the right direction.