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Topic: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...

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847badgerfan

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #210 on: March 18, 2021, 10:14:43 AM »


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #211 on: March 18, 2021, 10:18:27 AM »
Daniel Burnham was pretty brilliant.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #212 on: March 18, 2021, 10:22:57 AM »
why does it always have to be about the AfroMan?

Disproportionately large number of breathtakingly stupid posts. 
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #213 on: March 18, 2021, 10:48:32 AM »
I think it's important to recognize that the development of a city has a LOT to do with the time frame in which it grew. 

Big cities like NYC and Chicago, smaller but older cities like Philly and Boston, grew to become what they were before cars were ubiquitous. Density wasn't a design "choice", it was the necessity of people having access to commerce. Walking and public transit were how you got from point A to B. 

City planning and city development changed once we got to the post-war and baby boom eras, when cars were not so much a luxury as something any middle-class family could afford (even if they only had one per family, unlike most families today). It also corresponds to a quite large racial change as we got into the civil rights movement and post-Jim Crow era, where there was a lot of "white flight" out of the cities to the suburbs. It was also a big time of people moving from the farms and rural communities closer to city centers, and many of those people preferred the less dense suburbs. And finally with the interstate system, national infrastructure was starting to be developed around the automobile. 

You started to see cities that were less large and established (i.e. most of our 2nd-tier cities today) grow around the automobile. This would also be true of cities that aren't "2nd-tier" cities like Los Angeles, more due to the time frame in which they saw rapid growth. There is a "downtown LA", but it's not a "downtown" in any reasonable sense compared to cities in the eastern US corridor. 

In the first case, density existed before the automobile. In the second case, the automobile led to cities being less dense. 

Now everyone wants to reverse that in order to force more density--on people who don't want it. You know who likes dense walkable cities? Young childless couples. Give them a few rugrats running around and suddenly they want a SFH out in the suburbs, with big parks, and bike lanes, and room to breathe. 

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #214 on: March 18, 2021, 10:55:48 AM »
Nothing like being able to hear six noisy neighbors simultaneously. 
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #215 on: March 18, 2021, 11:28:15 AM »
Disproportionately large number of breathtakingly stupid posts I disagree with.
There, I made you nicer.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #216 on: March 18, 2021, 11:30:50 AM »
Lots of cities have multi-level roads, trains, etc. In addition to never travelling internationally, I appears that Fro has not done much domestic travel either.
Not in how I'm envisioning it.  
I'm talking stacked roads with lights and sidewalks and all along the 2nd stories of buildings.  And third.  Maybe have a 10th-floor train loop for a cluster of very tall buildings.  

But don't worry about clarifying my idea, just make sure to insult me.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #217 on: March 18, 2021, 11:32:07 AM »
why does it always have to be about the AfroMan?
No idea.  
Wouldn't it be nice if I was just another random poster?  
That'd be great.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #218 on: March 18, 2021, 11:34:42 AM »
I rather like urban living, but there also is a large park across the street.

https://urbanize.city/atlanta/post/midtown-condo-for-sale-market-pandemic-covid19

Supposedly condos are hot here now.  


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #219 on: March 18, 2021, 11:35:12 AM »
are you calling me just another random poster?
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #220 on: March 18, 2021, 11:38:02 AM »
I rather like urban living, but there also is a large park across the street.

https://urbanize.city/atlanta/post/midtown-condo-for-sale-market-pandemic-covid19

Supposedly condos are hot here now. 
I almost used you as an example of another demographic that likes downtown walkable living. The older, retired childless couple.

There is something to be said for that sort of convenience--I may try it myself when the kids fly the coop. Especially if I'm still working but continue to have a WFH situation and don't have to worry about a commute, but then may consider it when I retire as well.

It'll probably either be that or a golf course community ;-) 

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #221 on: March 18, 2021, 11:40:23 AM »
are you calling me just another random poster?
No, you're a treasure.  :88:
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #222 on: March 18, 2021, 11:40:49 AM »
Our building is mostly older folks, almost no kids.  The apts nearby are young folks.  

They are building more fast.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #223 on: March 18, 2021, 11:53:16 AM »
Not in how I'm envisioning it. 
I'm talking stacked roads with lights and sidewalks and all along the 2nd stories of buildings.  And third.  Maybe have a 10th-floor train loop for a cluster of very tall buildings. 

But don't worry about clarifying my idea, just make sure to insult me.
I'm trying to come up with how this would work structurally, not to mention air quality issues and accessibility issues (ADA).
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