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Topic: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #224 on: March 18, 2021, 12:17:57 PM »
I almost used you as an example of another demographic that likes downtown walkable living. The older, retired childless couple.

There is something to be said for that sort of convenience--I may try it myself when the kids fly the coop. Especially if I'm still working but continue to have a WFH situation and don't have to worry about a commute, but then may consider it when I retire as well.

It'll probably either be that or a golf course community ;-)
I'm going with the golf course

doesn't even need to be a community
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #225 on: March 18, 2021, 12:19:12 PM »
I'm trying to come up with how this would work structurally, not to mention air quality issues and accessibility issues (ADA).
sorry, no wheelchairs allowed on the 10th floor
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #226 on: March 18, 2021, 12:20:35 PM »
ADA access is required for public transit.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #227 on: March 18, 2021, 12:28:22 PM »
I'm trying to come up with how this would work structurally, not to mention air quality issues and accessibility issues (ADA).
Don't trouble him with engineering, logistical, or economic hurdles. It really harshes his mellow.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #228 on: March 18, 2021, 12:49:54 PM »
I'm trying to come up with how this would work structurally, not to mention air quality issues and accessibility issues (ADA).
Think the sides of the main terminal at Denver International Airport. Multiple levels of roadways.


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #229 on: March 18, 2021, 12:50:00 PM »
Don't trouble him with engineering, logistical, or economic hurdles. It really harshes his mellow.
It really cannot work. First, most of these buildings are private. That's huge.

You'd have to build public spaces within these private buildings, for access, and also new public elevators. It's a non-starter.
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #230 on: March 18, 2021, 12:53:46 PM »
Think the sides of the main terminal at Denver International Airport. Multiple levels of roadways.


Yes, but that was part of the design originally. Building roadways and rail within city blocks along existing buildings would compromise the structural integrity of the buildings, at a minimum. To reinforce would be so costly, you may as well knock down all the buildings and start over.

How the hell would you do this here?


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #231 on: March 18, 2021, 01:14:59 PM »
ADA access is required for public transit.
perhaps it's not public, it could be private

probably work better if the government wasn't involved
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #232 on: March 18, 2021, 01:38:38 PM »
Private projects are also subject to ADA standards (except single-family residential, in most places).
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #233 on: March 18, 2021, 01:46:38 PM »
oh well, perhaps this group can't solve the transportation issue for the world
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #234 on: March 18, 2021, 01:53:56 PM »
We Texans have solved our transportation problems long ago


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #235 on: March 18, 2021, 01:54:36 PM »

I'm still going the airport roadway route. Recall that most departure-level roadways were not built at the time the rest of the terminal building was. Separation of arrivals and departures by level was something that was retrofitted into most terminals (MSP and LAX come to mind immediately). Set the edge of the structure above the curb or midway into the lane, then use ramps and bridges to get to the second level.

However, the bigger issue is that not all second and third floors are on the same elevation above grade. 

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #236 on: March 18, 2021, 02:34:58 PM »
Yes, but that was part of the design originally. Building roadways and rail within city blocks along existing buildings would compromise the structural integrity of the buildings, at a minimum. To reinforce would be so costly, you may as well knock down all the buildings and start over.

How the hell would you do this here?



I specified it should have happened along with the growth - the evolution of the area.  
People are great at attacking and shitting on things I almost said.  They have a hard time insulting my actual ideas, though.
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You say all of this public space would be needed and public elevators for some reason.....but I'm picturing it being no different than the ground level.  Access to a 10th-floor train loop would be restricted to those working in those buildings and having business in them.  Movement between levels would be part of the road system.
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Sure, it's a wild-eyed, silly idea.  But I'm using this space to think aloud and just found it funny that while our places of business are 3-dimensional, our access to them are only 2-dimensional.  That seems somewhat short-sighted, no?
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #237 on: March 18, 2021, 02:40:13 PM »
I'm trying to come up with how this would work structurally, not to mention air quality issues and accessibility issues (ADA).
Don't people have access from ground-level roads and sidewalks into buildings now?  It would be the same, just 1 story up.  
We've been talking about auto traffic here, right?  So my friend in a wheelchair drives his van in from the suburbs and has business along the 3rd-floor of a downtown building.  Along the way, as he gets closer to the inner city, he simply exits the ground-floor road and drives up the onramp to the upper levels.  He drives the last few blocks on the 3rd-level roads to his stop.  He turns into the third level of the parking lot and gets out.  Rolls his way into the same-level building entrance and conducts his business.
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Instead of asking questions for clarity, we just crap on each other's ideas here.  That's what the internet seems to be for, and I'm as guilty of it as anyone.  It seems anyone asking earnest clarity questions would be a weirdo or something.  But yeah, there's a specific portion of my idea.  
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