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Topic: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)

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FearlessF

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #182 on: September 22, 2021, 01:55:26 PM »
all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, has been the norm for two decades.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #183 on: September 22, 2021, 02:05:46 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 22, 2021, 01:55:26 PM
all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, has been the norm for two decades.

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Ha!

Well I suppose that's the truth.

They need to be bitching at their school's athletic department.  They're the ones who handed those rights over to the conferences.

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« Reply #184 on: September 22, 2021, 06:11:00 PM »
Never old.

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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #185 on: September 22, 2021, 07:00:58 PM »
When I first started posting here most folks howled that ALL games should be played on Saturday at exactly noon ET no matter what. Now all of a sudden it's a bad thing if the game is on Saturday at noon ET. That's kind of funny. 
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #186 on: September 22, 2021, 08:06:26 PM »
Out in AZ, I love rolling out of bed Saturday morning when games are starting.
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #187 on: September 22, 2021, 08:13:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 22, 2021, 08:06:26 PM
Out in AZ, I love rolling out of bed Saturday morning when games are starting.
That's a dream, and really, some of these smaller games in the east should think about starting in the morning. I'd watch some MACtion at 10 am over gameday.
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #188 on: September 22, 2021, 09:13:21 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 22, 2021, 01:24:18 PM

And yet that still doesn't change my fundamental argument about the 11 AM kickoff times for ABC and Fox, with respect to fan anger.  Whether it's due to increased exposure in primetime, or additional pressure from CBS/SEC in the 2:30 slot, or other factors-- when ABC or Fox get to pick in the pecking order, they typically choose to put the more desirable matchups at 11 AM, rather than 2:30.  Only one game per week from ALL possibilities, is going to end up on ABC primetime.  So the next-most-desirable matchup, is going to be aired at 11 AM.

And that's what fans are complaining about.  They don't like the early kicks.  But the 11 AM is a preferred timeslot in the view of Fox and ABC, compared to 2:30.  So it's going to keep happening to fans of teams that are popular and/or successful.  And beyond that, it's nothing new.  This has been going on for almost 20 years.  Before CBS carried SEC games, before Fox carried college games, before ABC established primetime games, before the conference networks existed-- ABC was STILL putting preferred matchups at 11 AM, rather than 2:30.

Which is my only point.  I just can't help but be amused by all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, when that has been the norm for two decades.

And beyond that, there are plenty of other undesirable things the networks do.  Thursday night games.  Early September 3 PM 105-degree kickoffs in Austin, Texas. Etc. 

But the bottom line is that all of our schools have sold out the in-person fan experience, for the sake of the television broadcasting partners' preferences.  We have nobody to blame, but our own schools, for agreeing to all of this.
I think we're in agreement in the central point. The schools sold out to TV. TV fills it out as it sees fit.

I still don't buy that there's something more valuable about 11 am than 2:30, and expect the opposite is in most cases true. This might be informed by the fact that UW played a lot of not that attractive games early when I was in school. 

That might just be my bias that comes with a timeframe of the past 15 years, especially the past seven or so, when primetime became kind and then oversaturated.
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #189 on: September 22, 2021, 10:17:08 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 22, 2021, 09:13:21 PM
I think we're in agreement in the central point. The schools sold out to TV. TV fills it out as it sees fit.

I still don't buy that there's something more valuable about 11 am than 2:30, and expect the opposite is in most cases true. This might be informed by the fact that UW played a lot of not that attractive games early when I was in school.

That might just be my bias that comes with a timeframe of the past 15 years, especially the past seven or so, when primetime became kind and then oversaturated.

This is what I think is weird, that you're arguing over this point?  Outside of primetime, ABC and Fox take their next pick and put it at 11, not 2:30.  The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. 

You can doubt that this is the correct course of action, but it's certainly the course of action that the network executives choose to take, for whatever reasons.

(And those reasons, are their market research...)
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #190 on: September 22, 2021, 10:33:34 PM »
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« Reply #191 on: September 22, 2021, 10:56:26 PM »
(And those reasons, are their market research...)

as far as you know

doesn't make it true
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #192 on: September 22, 2021, 10:59:05 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 22, 2021, 10:56:26 PM
(And those reasons, are their market research...)

as far as you know

doesn't make it true

I figured you'd sniff out the pot to stir sooner or later. :)
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #193 on: September 22, 2021, 11:28:25 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 22, 2021, 08:06:26 PM
Out in AZ, I love rolling out of bed Saturday morning when games are starting.
Yep. Gameday starts at 6, games start at 9.
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #194 on: September 22, 2021, 11:42:47 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on September 22, 2021, 11:28:25 PM
Yep. Gameday starts at 6, games start at 9.


If you lived in Hawaii you could watch Gameday at 3, and games would start at 6. 
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Bearcats, Oh My (SOC 9/18/21)
« Reply #195 on: September 22, 2021, 11:55:39 PM »
I also find the if not Prime Time, then Noon/11 am to be a bit of a dodge from CBS' 330/230 slot, which let's face it, wipes the floor ratings wise most weeks with whatever else Fox/ABC puts up at either Noon/11 or 330/230.

I'll also note on the production side,  Fox has a garbage production, with CBS' being the best (i'm not talking about the PBP/Color).

the shots Fox missed last week and in the Ducks/tOSU were inexcusable.   There were a few plays where I thought i was watching old wishbone games, with the camera guy buying the fakes.
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