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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on September 18, 2021, 06:02:59 AM
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Gonna be a warm one in Columbus today. One last gasp of summer before the weather turns. A high of 88, but later in the week the highs go to 65, and fall will be on. But still, 88 today - not exactly chili weather. I will hit up the store this morning - the wife is meeting her old roommate for dinner, and the oldest is going to homecoming. That leaves me and the two youngest. The youngest only ever wants to eat chicken nuggets, and the other one only wants hot dogs or cheese pizza. Probably going to make something hot and spicy and full of vegetables. Those tears you hear will be from my house.
Schedule
Noon
- MSU at #24 Miami, ABC
- #8 Cincinnati at Indiana, ESPN
- Northern Illinois at #25 Michigan, BTN
- Nebraska at #3 Oklahoma, FOX
1 pm, Minnesota at Colorado, Pac12
2:30 pm, Purdue at #12 Notre Dame, NBC
3:30
- Kent State at #5 Iowa, BTN
- Tulsa at #9 OSU, FS1
- Delaware at Rutgers, FS1
4 pm, Northwestern at Duke, ACCN
7:30 pm, #22 Auburn at #10 PSU, ABC
Others
3:30, #1 Alabama at #11 Florida
10:15, ESPN, #19 Arizona State at #23 BYU
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Mornin' SAM
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Mornin' SAM
Top 'o the morning Nubbers
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Cindy pulled a pork tenderloin out of the freezer last nite.Might do the Alton Brown over the coals minute:30 roll it,minute:30 roll it,minute:30 roll it,minute:30 roll it - until it's done 140 deg
https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/grilled-pork-tenderloin-recipe-1917672
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Prolly wash it down with a Great Lakes or Thirsty Dog Brewing FEST BIERS 😎
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Checking in from Colorado. About to head down into Boulder to start pregame.
Gonna be sunny, hot (high 91), and dry (dew point of 33). No one here that I've talked to has a clue how this game is going to go.
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The Buffs lost a close one to T A&M last week.Would be impressive if the Goophs return with a W
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The Buffs lost a close one to T A&M last week.Would be impressive if the Goophs return with a W
CU stinks. A&M had a backup QB pooping the bed and the Buffs' offense didn't produce squat.
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I'll be watching the Florida game down in Casa Grande with my friends and their 6 kids. Both parents are from Rockford IL, neither especially likes football, but their 2nd-youngest (4 yrs) loves football and the Gators! So I have to keep that going.
I randomly order Florida stuff on Amazon and have it sent to their house.
I might lose 2 friends in the near future. :57:
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CU stinks. A&M had a backup QB pooping the bed and the Buffs' offense didn't produce squat.
Perhaps both sides were bringing their A game and left it all on the field - some time your opponent can actually make things - you know - kind of difficult
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10am match w the 3rd4th graders. Then a Bonanza of college football. Not much else.
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Isn't BYU doing a whiteout a bit redundant?
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Pac 12 Network. It's the only one I don't have, and it's one game I really would like to see.
Dammit.
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No one here in Boulder knows how to tailgate for a morning game. We beat the cashiers to the lot, and no one knows if they'll be around to scan our passes.
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Probably a rather accurate depiction of what is about to transpire...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_knSTQWUAkjZra?format=jpg&name=large)
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That leaves me and the two youngest. The youngest only ever wants to eat chicken nuggets, and the other one only wants hot dogs or cheese pizza. Probably going to make something hot and spicy and full of vegetables. Those tears you hear will be from my house.
I recommend this: https://www.chelseasmessyapron.com/garlic-beef-and-veggie-ramen/
It's not actually all that spicy, depending how much red pepper flake you use. But it's delicious and will expand the kids' horizons...
BTW while it's called "ramen", it's a noodle dish, not a noodle soup.
I'm just waiting for soup weather to really start, so I can fill the house with the delicious smell of simmering pho broth for 12 hours on a Saturday...
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Pac 12 Network. It's the only one I don't have, and it's one game I really would like to see.
Dammit.
Which game? ASU/BYU is on ESPN if that's the game you're referring to.
No games I'm going to this weekend (check with me next week though). Auburn's alumni chapter invited me out to watch their game Vs Penn St at one of the local Yacht bars. Will combine that with a trip to Petco to restock on cat food. Planning to finish the evening down the street from my apartment building with the Arizona State alumni chapter for their late kickoff Vs BYU.
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As for me, we're headed to a brewery (https://www.greencheekbeer.com/costa-mesa) for lunch with the in-laws today. Nice because it'll be mid-high 70s and it'll be a Jeep ride. Not nice because the Purdue game starts at 11:30 AM PT, so I'll be watching it time-shifted. I'll be radio silent from 11:30 until after I've seen the whole thing, so won't be participating in the thread.
Tonight we're gonna be chill and just make a nice caprese salad with some crusty bread for dinner. Grabbing Sprinkles cupcakes on the way back from the brewery so we'll have some dessert.
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Who's driving?
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Love the “Michigan Sucks” signs on College Gameday at PSU. Still in their heads.
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Who's driving?
Me. Not going to the brewery to get hammered... A couple beers, a double smash burger and some fries, and then we're off.
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Well I never go out to get hammered (mostly) but some of those crafts can lighten one up pretty quick - stay full my friend
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Alpha Beta might need to be bailed out later?
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Doubt it but his Boilers might,be nice to see them up end the Domers who have won 2 squeekers
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Pac 12 Network. It's the only one I don't have, and it's one game I really would like to see.
Dammit.
That's how bad the Pac 12 Network is... I live in the Pac 12 geography and I don't even have it.
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Wva up 14 early
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AJ Henning has so much burst. That kid is FAST. They need to actually THROW the ball to him. What a shame to see that speed just used once a game on a reverse. Harbaugh truly sucks.
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3 false starts on this drive.
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Cornelius Johnson got mugged bad on that deep ball. Should've been a PI.
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Tack on a PF. The OL w 30 yards I penalties.
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Hoosiers with an early lead
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Blake Corum is really good. I am shocked at how good he is to be honest with you.
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Sparty pretty conservative there, but up 3-0
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Sparty pretty conservative there, but up 3-0
The way that game is going, 3-0 might win it.
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Cade McNamara has an awful deep ball. That's all.
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Huskers trying to get in a rock fight with Oklahoma. Not sure that will get it done.
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Missing kicks, Missing opportunities. Nobody beats Nebraska like Nebraska.
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Another sweep by Henning. Mdot21 must have Gattis’ phone number.
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Whew some speed from Mosley
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28-3 now. Michigan running it down NIU's throat. Haskins is so fun to watch run the ball. He's not fast, but he runs hard as hell and his vision and patience are awesome.
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McNamara’s pass to Johnson looked like calibrated and lubed laser fire going downhill.
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Another sweep by Henning. Mdot21 must have Gattis’ phone number.
You really think that's Gattis? Newsflash: it's not. It's Harbaugh. The guy is a retard who would rather run reverses with his fast WR's than actually throw them the ball.
Offense is so predictable it's not even funny. They'll beat up on teams that can't stop the run efficiently but when they get forced to pass- that offense will fall completely apart.
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McNamara’s pass to Johnson looked like calibrated and lubed laser fire going downhill.
what? lol.
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I'm not sure MSU is going to win a game this year against any team with any semblance of a passing game
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only thing this team is missing is a passing QB with a modern passing scheme and a couple of CB's. If JJ McCarthy was just one year older and if Will Johnson & Domani Jackson were 2021 recruits :/
Everything else I see from this team, I like. Even the WR's.
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I'm not sure MSU is going to win a game this year against any team with any semblance of a passing game
Well good news is you guys got a great shot at Michigan again, because they ain't got that lol.
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Gophers first drive stalled on the 7 and a missed FG followed.
Boulder is really neat.
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N offensively conservative. Mixing D quite well. Frankly I think OU should be running more, I think they have big edge. Some missed kicks and usual flags for Nebraska. Doubt 7-3 was anybodys guess for half
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Hoosiers putting it to the Bearcats in the first half. Should be up by more than 14.
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Nice TD drive by Michigan State
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Hoosiers putting it to the Bearcats in the first half. Should be up by more than 14.
Maybe they aren't the #8 team and maybe Fickell has his eye on USC as well?
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So Indiana and Illinois are just gonna roll around with matching Varsity Block I helmet decals? Like twins?
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In the car running errands, I'm not sure I've ever heard a worse announcing crew than the Miami football announcers. They must have won a contest on their rivals board, for who could be the two biggest homers
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Targeting gets the Hoosiers - I did not like the call - McFadden was getting held and just trying to get to the QB, the contact seemed incidental
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Am I nutz for thinking Kenneth Walker might be off to the best start of any offensive playmaker? Dude just juked the Canes D for an entire drive. Already looks like an NFL weapon. What a find for Michigan St off the transfer portal.
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Potts is going to have 150 yards at the break with nothing to show for it.
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In the car running errands, I'm not sure I've ever heard a worse announcing crew than the Miami football announcers. They must have won a contest on their rivals board, for who could be the two biggest homers
I feel this way about Michigan anncrs w dierdorf.
Those Miami guys are brutal though.
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The Wolverines better be careful. They might wind up representing the West Division in the Mac CCG this year.
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I liked Dieforf when he was doing Sundays,but ya may be cheering on the alma mater
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I always thought radio announcers were supposed to be massive homers.
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That's the second chip shot the kicker has shanked to the right. Methinks we're going for it on 4th down every time the rest of the way.
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Bearcats with 10 quick points to turn a 14-0 lead for the Hoosiers into 14-10
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Michigan QB Cade McNamara 8-11 for 1 TD and 191 yards at halftime.
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Gee whiz Huskers
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Blake Corum is so fast. Jesus. But not only is he fast, he's stupid quick. His quickness and patience is very Mike Hart-ish. Michigan hasn't had a back this good in a loooooooong time. He really is like Mike Hart but with elite speed. Haskins compliments him so well. Haskins batters the defense with his power & brute force and Corum shocks them with his electric quickness & speed.
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So I guess overall we should be happy with how the Huskers are playing today. They are competitive, but I do wonder if the Sooners just aren't very good.
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Rocky Lombardi just throws a pick returned to the 3 yard line. Donovan Edwards punches it in to make it 56-3.
Rocky Lombardi was screaming to his team "they can't stop us!" after he drove them down the field and they got that FG early in the 1st QTR. LOL. How's that working out Rocky?
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Curious spot. Tough to review this however.
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Cincy killing themselves with penalties today.
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Missing kicks, Missing opportunities. Nobody beats Nebraska like Nebraska.
As I was saying.
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Donovan Edwards just pops a 60 yard TD run to make it 63-3.
Jesus Christ Michigan has some nice RB's. And to think Zach Charbonnet transferred. Scary RB room had he stayed.
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I love it when that happens.
XP blocked and returned to the barn!
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Payton Thorne noticeably limping after that last hit
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But D'Eriq King going back to the locker room
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Miami is a joke lol. They play in a half empty NFL stadium, they are located smack dab in arguably the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country, they have tons of athletes and speed on defense- but they just play stupid football.
I really think they are dead and never coming back.
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Gophers have 225 yards to the Buffaloes 7 at half. Zero sacks through the first two weeks......four so far today. The score should be more lopsided than 13-0.
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Touchdown Bearcats - take the lead
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Kentucky noses ahead of Chattanooga in the 4th.
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Hoosiers get it back, up 21-17 with 4 left in the third
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And then the Bearcats return the kickoff
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Fox broadcast production abysmal. They are missing plays buying fakes. What is this 1980?
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But they miss the extra point. This game has gotten wild
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Lovely Int.
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Purdue takes a commanding 3-0 lead on ND.
Will WMU upset Pitt?
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Nice grab. N needs to cause one here.
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Man a lot of good games on!
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The Huskers need to work on their two minute offense.
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Nebraska ran that drive like they thought they had a whole other quarter to play
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13 points might win this, but I'd like some more.
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Bearcats with the touchdown
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Sparty back up by 10
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What's going on in Pittsburgh?
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As if a 2 min drill wasn't even contemplated. I know odds were long as shit but it never even began.
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The Colorado offense is so impotent that Pfizer couldn't help them. Good grief.
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The Colorado offense is so impotent that Pfizer couldn't help them. Good grief.
Makes you wonder how they put up seven points last week.
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Sparky getting it done!
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Bearcats with the pick. A killer
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Feels like MSU has completely dominated this game, and they are plus 4 in turnovers. I know they missed a short field goal, and Miami hit a bomb field goal, so that's a 6-point swing right there. But it actually feels like Michigan State should be up by a lot more than 14
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Who has a bigger punch me face, Nix or Clifford?
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Bearcats impressive at a tough place to play.
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Buckeyes not exactly looking inspired on defense
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Gophers with an absolute steamrolling of Colorado.
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Buckeyes not exactly looking inspired on defense
They clearly made up their mind they’re not giving up running errands because on that first drive from Tulsa they gave up one running yard.
Also finding spots in Ohio states newly played zone but let’s see how long that lasts.
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Bearcats impressive at a tough place to play.
I'm confused, they aren't playing at Assembly Hall.
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I'm confused, they aren't playing at Assembly Hall.
Agreed. You are confused.
playing on the road in a Big Ten Stadium is a tough trip for a non power 5 team. Especially where the home team seems to play tougher at home.
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Under the radar, but it looks like Chattanooga gave Kentucky a game today?
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Agreed. You are confused.
playing on the road in a Big Ten Stadium is a tough trip for a non power 5 team. Especially where the home team seems to play tougher at home.
I think road games at Memphis or UCF are probably tougher venues than Bloomington
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WMU beat Pitt
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OSU not offering much resistance on defense, but at least have held in the red zone. 6-3 Tulsa. Buckeyes offense looking pretty lifeless as well
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It's not like Florida is playing poorly....my goodness.
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Buckeyes go to play action and move down the field. Less lifeless
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Wow. They just took a great interception away and gave it to a receiver who never had the catch.
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Refs screwed up that replay. Maybe that will cause more life
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Big time headscratcher.
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Duke having their way with NW.
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Home cooked (no) calls going to ND now. Obviously a missed PI there
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Michigan had a final touchdown that would have given them 70 points called back due to having two players on the field wearing #1. If it was like #15 I bet the refs never would have noticed. Never saw that penalty before at any level.
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Bad officiating lead to 10 points for ND, but it looks as though it wouldn't have mattered anyway (unless it changed momentum).
Purdue defense played well. Except they gave up 2 critical 4th down conversions and another one on 3rd. Those were the game changers.
Purdue offense needs some work against better defenses, the OL in particular. Surprisingly the run game was good. The pass blocking was bad. The play calls on 3rd down were bad. Brohm tried to get too fancy. The Boilers established a decent run game, but did not get their normal pass game going and instead elected to get tricky. Should have stuck with the the normal pass plan.
Credit to the ND defense, they played an excellent game.
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The clock in Gainesville is the second least reliable counter in Florida
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Gators have over 100 yds more total Off.
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Cameron Martinez should be at Michigan. Damn bastards.
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Cameron Martinez should be at Michigan. Damn bastards.
He got his first real batch of playing time today and looked really good. You can tell he was an offensive stud in high school because he knew what to do once he made that pic.
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Well it was my first full chance to watch Ohio State end to end today. Very interesting.
Well no team as a finished product I can easily say this is not a playoff caliber team or even close to it at this juncture. A lot of young guys flying around making good plays one minute and huge mistakes the next.
The Fanbase was raging about not being able to run the ball and not being able to stop the run. The buckeyes reversed both of those trends today allowing only 59 total rushing yards or 2 yards a carry well running for 8 yards a carry in well over 300 yards.
But they played a two safety soft zone for about 80% of the game and gave up lots of underneath throws as the Tulsa quarterback picked the underneath zones apart.
It shows you how important Rushing is in the college game. The Tulsa QB stats were almost identical to Strouds stats last week versus Oregon. Both in a losing effort as the team that could run the ball won the game.
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Ohio State remains an unfinished product. You can see the talent flashing though. Hopefully they can get things figured out soon, because October is around the corner.
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why go for it there? Franklin really is a shitty "gameday" coach. Heckuva recruiter though.
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Nix has an ugly deep ball. Straight up fugly.
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are these defenses really good...or do these QB's kinda suck? I can't tell. Maybe it's both?
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Nix panics in the pocket, he has zero pocket presence at all. He tries to run immediately first sign of trouble. And his deep ball SUCKSSSSSSS. How was this kid a 5 star?
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Clifford settling in looking good. Clifford can play. Nix? He is awful.
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This atmosphere is awesome and that was a heck of a drive
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God I f#&@$£g hate Notre Dame.
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Now that I've sufficiently recovered from being fried on the metal benches of Folsom Field, a few thoughts:
-Much remains to be seen about the quality, or lack thereof, of this Colorado team. But to go into their building and completely shut them out is something impressive.
-Holy cow, it was hot! It was okay early, but by the 4th quarter we were all severely sunburned and dehydrated. Altitude is a thing.
-Washington is still the #1 setting in college football, but Colorado and Utah are close behind. Just gorgeous.
More thoughts to come Monday.
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Folsom is pretty good, outside of the 'bro crowd of dbags that sadly define an outsized % of CU students.
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Within minutes of each other, both UGA and GT score on a safety.
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SEC refs gonna SEC ref.
Called a phantom intentional grounding call on Penn State and had Penn State thinking it was 4th down on 3rd down, causing them to punt on 3rd down.
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San Diego State is beating up on Utah, 24-10.
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Virginia's QB has 364 yyards passing......at halftime vs UNC.
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San Diego State is beating up on Utah, 24-10.
didn't they just beat the crap out of Arizona last week? Maybe that job really is a perfect fit for Brady Hoke.
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Welp, my Gators impressed me. No, it's a loss and it's not good enough, but to get down 21-3 to Alabama and then bully them the rest of the game showed me something.
We outgained them by 100+ yards. We didn't get the win, but I feel like we gave Ivan Drago a cut over his eye....he's not a machine, he's a man! I'm hoping this game gets the fan base off Emory Jones' back.
The difference in our OL from last year to now is astounding! We couldn't run block vs a Directional School last year. 6 ypc vs Bama is man's work.
I'm also hopeful we don't drop in the rankings.
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All that said, it's not good enough. We should beat them in our house. And maybe we shouldn't be 14 point dogs with 90,000 in the Swamp.
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God I f#&@$£g hate Notre Dame.
Almost makes me like ND since I hate Purdue. Almost.
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are these defenses really good...or do these QB's kinda suck? I can't tell. Maybe it's both?
Nix does suck.
He's a guy who marched the offense down the field in high school, but you're not exactly sure how he does it. It just works.
But against good teams, he isn't good enough to do that. Not a good enough athlete to run. Not a very good passer. It's hard to metriculate like that.
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A fourth down on 3rd down following an intentional grounding that doesn't exist when the other team does it, plus the fake punt for a 1st down that wasn't.... I'm sure I have missed a few, but.........
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Weak targeting
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Oklahoma St with only 7 yards passing at the half but has a 21-20 lead on Boise St. Still no word if this game is being played in 1962.
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That PI on Auburn was terrible, and it was huge.
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Nix panics in the pocket, he has zero pocket presence at all. He tries to run immediately first sign of trouble. And his deep ball SUCKSSSSSSS. How was this kid a 5 star?
Seems if the recruiting services remember your Dad’s football days you get an extra star. Same reason Huard got 5 stars committing to Washington, now waiting on the bench, picking gum behind a guy who just lost to Montana.
I think a better question is why these programs stick with QBs who show zero improvement year-in/year-out. Nix, Taylor Martinez, Daniel Jones, Kirk Cousins - zero improvement.
I am watching the late PAC 12 games and despite ASU and UCLA’s coaching staffs shifting like musical chairs, you can see linear improvement from their starting QBs - Thompson & Daniels.
UCLA up 7-6 on Fresno.
BYU up 14-7 on Arizona State.
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Nice late night slate.
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San Diego St beat the Utes.
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Memphis beat Mississippi St, Wake Forest smoked Florida St...
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Brutal roughing call against pokes. On a sack, totally clean, his angle was low, impossible to avoid.
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OSU2 beat Boise 21-20 on the road.
OSU3 beat Idaho 42-0
Arizona is losing to Northern Arizona in the second half.
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FSU is 0-3. All is well.
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Welp, my Gators impressed me. No, it's a loss and it's not good enough, but to get down 21-3 to Alabama and then bully them the rest of the game showed me something.
We outgained them by 100+ yards. We didn't get the win, but I feel like we gave Ivan Drago a cut over his eye....he's not a machine, he's a man! I'm hoping this game gets the fan base off Emory Jones' back.
The difference in our OL from last year to now is astounding! We couldn't run block vs a Directional School last year. 6 ypc vs Bama is man's work.
I'm also hopeful we don't drop in the rankings.
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All that said, it's not good enough. We should beat them in our house. And maybe we shouldn't be 14 point dogs with 90,000 in the Swamp.
I thought the Gators also did a great job at shutting down Bama’s run game.
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Left my house for College Station at 7 AM, got back to my house after watching the game in Austin, a little before midnight. That was a long, hot day of football.
Tons of fun though, we haven't done a same-day double-header like that in years. Decades even.
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Great job!
Some people at yesterday's tailgate were at least discussing hustling out of Boulder and going down to Colorado Springs to see Air Force play in the night game. Not sure if anyone did.
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I've seen a night game at USAFA, it's awesome.
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The targetting rules need some serious adjustments. We need something but not this. I think it needs to be flagrant and not incidental.
That Miss State "punt" return call was horrendous, the ref threw his bag and waved to stop the clock, play was dead.
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Wedding hangover. Not ideal.
Granted, it was a Wisconsin wedding, so I earned it.
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Wedding hangover. Not ideal.
Granted, it was a Wisconsin wedding, so I earned it.
I like your style on this one!
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This is really starting to suck.
(https://i.imgur.com/slDxO1w.png)
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Wow y'all sure do love to hate your 11 AM kickoffs. :)
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This is really starting to suck.
(https://i.imgur.com/slDxO1w.png)
There’s sort of a irony of the pendulum swinging back.
We used to have a more limited set of later games and a ton of 11 ams, as ESPN/ABC concentrated viewership later in the day.
BTN started the proliferation of networks, which meant more evening slots, which shifted everything later.
Now multiple networks, including FOX, are zagging by trying to create a more balanced slate, and leveraging its best asset to do so.
I’m trying to think back on the best Wisconsin night games of late. Iowa and Michigan in 2018. In terms of home games, probably 2016 (I’m not counting last year)
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This is really starting to suck.
(https://i.imgur.com/slDxO1w.png)
Wow. That’s a big break for Michigan. Night games at Camp Randall are a nightmare for the visitor.
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I love the pendulum swinging back for FOX. If they keep it like that, and ABC/ESPN sticks to the primetime, we can always get the best Big Ten game at noon, the best SEC game at 3:30, and the best Pac 12, ACC, or Big XII game at night, that's great with me. Usually ESPN plants the 2nd best SEC game there, and/or the 2nd best Big Ten game, so the balance is just perfect.
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The Wisconsin students won't be out of bed or over their hangovers by 11 AM.
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I haven't traditionally been much of a fan of 11 AM games, but the 2019 one vs. Penn State was a morning game. The New Brickhouse was a seething madhouse.
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The Wisconsin students won't be out of bed or over their hangovers by 11 AM.
You are assuming they actually go to bed. Not a good assumption.
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It's the bathroom breaks throwing them off
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(https://i.imgur.com/N4wRXf3.png)
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If Wisconsin fans can't be drunk by 11:00 AM, I will lose all respect for their dedication to the cause.
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If Wisconsin fans can't be drunk by 11:00 AM, I will lose all respect for their dedication to the cause.
it's Wisconsin. Most of the people there are drunk 23 hours of the day.
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Nothing like the god fearing studious types in South Beach
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Wow y'all sure do love to hate your 11 AM kickoffs. :)
as do the Sooners
FOX SUCKS
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as do the Sooners
FOX SUCKS
ABC's national timeslot is also 11 AM.
If you don't like it, you can join the SEC where CBS slots in their national game at 2:30.
(of course the CBS contract goes away in the next couple of years as well)
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ABC's national timeslot is also 11 AM.
If you don't like it, you can join the SEC where CBS slots in their national game at 2:30.
(of course the CBS contract goes away in the next couple of years as well)
ABC has the 8 pm EST timeslot?
I don't have the data, but I'd be interested to see the blend of BTN games as well as Fox evening ones. We kind of had that buildup of night games, but it still seemed like ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 often had the best of the haul (I suppose ESPN had UGA-SC last week, so maybe not always)
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ABC has the 8 pm EST timeslot?
I don't have the data, but I'd be interested to see the blend of BTN games as well as Fox evening ones. We kind of had that buildup of night games, but it still seemed like ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 often had the best of the haul (I suppose ESPN had UGA-SC last week, so maybe not always)
ABC sometimes carries a primetime game but not every week. Lots of the time those night games are on ESPN/2.
And lots of people seem to use ABC and ESPN interchangeably but they're really not the same at all. The OTA broadcast network ratings still dominate over the ratings you see from the cable networks. A primetime game on ESPN is still not really a "national" game, not in the sense that it would be if it were on standard broadcast OTA ABC.
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Ohio State-Akron will be a night game.
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Yay.
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Texas playing at 11 AM Central for the next 3 weeks. vs. TTech, @ TCU, then OU in the Cotton Bowl.
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ABC sometimes carries a primetime game but not every week. Lots of the time those night games are on ESPN/2.
And lots of people seem to use ABC and ESPN interchangeably but they're really not the same at all. The OTA broadcast network ratings still dominate over the ratings you see from the cable networks. A primetime game on ESPN is still not really a "national" game, not in the sense that it would be if it were on standard broadcast OTA ABC.
ABC has had a prime time game every week since at least 2018, and probably further back. I’ll investigate more when I’m not at work. (I use them the same because they’re the same company and draw from the same pool of games. ABC just gets some of the more choice options from ESPN)
And this is where the “national” thing gets sort of silly. They’re almost all basically national games. I’ve been out of school 10 years, and the closest I lived to Madison was 6.5 hours away for three years. I’ve never been in a really tight spot not being able to watch a badger game. One of the few good things ESPN ever did was make national access to the sport relatively easy.
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ABC has had a prime time game every week since at least 2018, and probably further back. I’ll investigate more when I’m not at work. (I use them the same because they’re the same company and draw from the same pool of games. ABC just gets some of the more choice options from ESPN)
And this is where the “national” thing gets sort of silly. They’re almost all basically national games. I’ve been out of school 10 years, and the closest I lived to Madison was 6.5 hours away for three years. I’ve never been in a really tight spot not being able to watch a badger game. One of the few good things ESPN ever did was make national access to the sport relatively easy.
I'm not sure I believe this is true-- speaking specifically of ABC OTA broadcast network television-- but if you have the proof, that's fine. It doesn't really change the discussion.
But you CAN'T use ABC and ESPN interchangeably, because ABC OTA broadcast is available in more homes than ESPN, and therefore draws higher numbers. The whole point we're talking about here, is maximizing eyeballs. ABC believes they can do this best in the 11 AM timeslot, compared to 2:30 PM (or some other kickoff time later in the day but not primetime). That's the ONLY point we're addressing here-- the complaints from fans, about that early kickoff, and ABC's belief that it maximizes eyeballs on their selected matchup. That's the sole point of having this discussion.
Anyway, even if they do broadcast a both a primetime game and an 11 AM game every single week, that still means they only have-- at a maximum-- two national timeslots per Saturday. And they have multiple conferences, with multiple teams playing in those multiple conferences, to fill those two slots. That's dozens of games, to fill only two slots.
ABC wants their biggest games in those timeslots. And now, we can add back into the discussion, the fact that Fox also wants the same thing. So fans of teams that are popular and/or winning a lot, have a larger percentage of their games slotted in at 11 AM Central. Which is what fans are complaining about, which is the only reason we're even having this ongoing discussion.
I'll also add that ABC and Fox don't care about you or me-- the diehard fans. They know we'll watch our teams no matter what time, or what station, they're televised on. They're shooting for casual fans, and they know they can get more of them at 11 AM, than at 2:30, on your average Saturday.
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I'm not sure I believe this is true-- speaking specifically of ABC OTA broadcast network television-- but if you have the proof, that's fine. It doesn't really change the discussion.
But you CAN'T use ABC and ESPN interchangeably, because ABC OTA broadcast is available in more homes than ESPN, and therefore draws higher numbers. The whole point we're talking about here, is maximizing eyeballs. ABC believes they can do this best in the 11 AM timeslot, compared to 2:30 PM (or some other kickoff time later in the day but not primetime). That's the ONLY point we're addressing here-- the complaints from fans, about that early kickoff, and ABC's belief that it maximizes eyeballs on their selected matchup. That's the sole point of having this discussion.
Anyway, even if they do broadcast a both a primetime game and an 11 AM game every single week, that still means they only have-- at a maximum-- two national timeslots per Saturday. And they have multiple conferences, with multiple teams playing in those multiple conferences, to fill those two slots. That's dozens of games, to fill only two slots.
ABC wants their biggest games in those timeslots. And now, we can add back into the discussion, the fact that Fox also wants the same thing. So fans of teams that are popular and/or winning a lot, have a larger percentage of their games slotted in at 11 AM Central. Which is what fans are complaining about, which is the only reason we're even having this ongoing discussion.
I'll also add that ABC and Fox don't care about you or me-- the diehard fans. They know we'll watch our teams no matter what time, or what station, they're televised on. They're shooting for casual fans, and they know they can get more of them at 11 AM, than at 2:30, on your average Saturday.
So, this got me curious. The last split evening ABC game was Week 10, 2014 (calling 730 or 8 games evening). Week 7 of that year is the first I found without an evening ABC game. ABC split the 3:30 time slot, had Red River at noon, and the CBS game was king. (Week 2 that year also didn't have an ABC game, and the previous year also had gaps in Weeks 2 and 7)
Anyway, my friend, I'm confused by what you're saying. You wrote "ABC believes they can do this best in the 11 AM timeslot, compared to 2:30 PM (or some other kickoff time later in the day but not primetime). That's the ONLY point we're addressing here." I'm unclear if this is a hypothetical. ABC's noon game is Texas Tech-Texas. The primetime game isn't super, but it's No. 4 Oklahoma vs WVU. 3:30 is Rutgers-Michigan. The other options, which are on ESPN/ESPN2 are Florida-UT and SC-Kentucky, so an uninspiring batch, with the best in prime time. .
The primetime ABC game is not only a national timeslot, but it's basically one of the best ones (that and CBS at 3:30 because of the product). You wrote they only have two national timeslots a week, but they run three games (unless you're saying the CBS game blots that out). Which leaves me confused. Everyone as up four timeslots, though many opt for three (if they don't have or want late night fare) or fewer (for inventory and other reasons). Similarly, the idea that you can get more casuals at 11 am compared to 2:30 on a Saturday most of the time isn't true.
What's happening with this game and Fox is a zag of sorts. For a stretch, you didn't have much prime time competition. Fox wasn't in the game. CBS didn't have a night game. There were not conference networks for the most part. ESPN/ABC could do what it wanted. But with conference network proliferation, you added four more primetime slots, which both thinned the morning options and made the night crowded field. So Fox is trying to put its best where there's the least competition to see if they can hog more of that pie. For the moment, it's worked. The three games have all ranked top 3 on their Saturdays, with one ranking No. 1 (though to be fair, that's been the game of the year thus far, and in the exact way that drives ratings).
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So, this got me curious. The last split evening ABC game was Week 10, 2014 (calling 730 or 8 games evening). Week 7 of that year is the first I found without an evening ABC game. ABC split the 3:30 time slot, had Red River at noon, and the CBS game was king. (Week 2 that year also didn't have an ABC game, and the previous year also had gaps in Weeks 2 and 7)
Anyway, my friend, I'm confused by what you're saying. You wrote "ABC believes they can do this best in the 11 AM timeslot, compared to 2:30 PM (or some other kickoff time later in the day but not primetime). That's the ONLY point we're addressing here." I'm unclear if this is a hypothetical. ABC's noon game is Texas Tech-Texas. The primetime game isn't super, but it's No. 4 Oklahoma vs WVU. 3:30 is Rutgers-Michigan. The other options, which are on ESPN/ESPN2 are Florida-UT and SC-Kentucky, so an uninspiring batch, with the best in prime time. .
The primetime ABC game is not only a national timeslot, but it's basically one of the best ones (that and CBS at 3:30 because of the product). You wrote they only have two national timeslots a week, but they run three games (unless you're saying the CBS game blots that out). Which leaves me confused. Everyone as up four timeslots, though many opt for three (if they don't have or want late night fare) or fewer (for inventory and other reasons). Similarly, the idea that you can get more casuals at 11 am compared to 2:30 on a Saturday most of the time isn't true.
What's happening with this game and Fox is a zag of sorts. For a stretch, you didn't have much prime time competition. Fox wasn't in the game. CBS didn't have a night game. There were not conference networks for the most part. ESPN/ABC could do what it wanted. But with conference network proliferation, you added four more primetime slots, which both thinned the morning options and made the night crowded field. So Fox is trying to put its best where there's the least competition to see if they can hog more of that pie. For the moment, it's worked. The three games have all ranked top 3 on their Saturdays, with one ranking No. 1 (though to be fair, that's been the game of the year thus far, and in the exact way that drives ratings).
OK so I've looked into it further, and it looks like ABC no longer divides any of its games regionally. Not sure when they stopped doing that, maybe in the last 5-7 years I guess? If you recall, they used to have the "regional coverage map" that showed you where your non-national (2:30 PM) game would be broadcast. The nation would be split between, say, Florida State-Miami on the East Coast, Oklahoma-West Virginia Central, and UCLA-Oregon on the West Coast.
And the times/networks were listed that way. 11:00 AM would say ABC: Texas- Texas Tech. And then 2:30 would show "ABC: FSU-Miami/OU-WVU/UCLA-UO"
So 11 AM was the national game, and 2:30 was regional. (As an aside, this was actually a reversal from what they'd done in the 90s, which had the national game at 2:30, and the regionally splt games at 11 AM. Somewhere round 2003, they flipped those, after their market analysis told them they had a better chance at capturing the national audience at 11 AM rather than 2:30)
Now there's only one game listed on each network at any given time. ABC has one at 11, one at 2:30, and so on Same goes for ESPN and ESPN2.
I believe they still have the capability to "reverse mirror" those games, in other word they could bump up the LSU-Miss State game at 11 AM from ESPN, to ABC, for a certain region that presumably would include the states of Louisiana and Mississippi, and that would knock the Texas-Texas Tech game down to ESPN, rather than ABC, in that same region. But, since streaming exists, I don't know how often they actually do this.
Regardless, I will abandon my antiquated use of the words "national" and "regional" as the terms no longer really seem to apply.
And yet that still doesn't change my fundamental argument about the 11 AM kickoff times for ABC and Fox, with respect to fan anger. Whether it's due to increased exposure in primetime, or additional pressure from CBS/SEC in the 2:30 slot, or other factors-- when ABC or Fox get to pick in the pecking order, they typically choose to put the more desirable matchups at 11 AM, rather than 2:30. Only one game per week from ALL possibilities, is going to end up on ABC primetime. So the next-most-desirable matchup, is going to be aired at 11 AM.
And that's what fans are complaining about. They don't like the early kicks. But the 11 AM is a preferred timeslot in the view of Fox and ABC, compared to 2:30. So it's going to keep happening to fans of teams that are popular and/or successful. And beyond that, it's nothing new. This has been going on for almost 20 years. Before CBS carried SEC games, before Fox carried college games, before ABC established primetime games, before the conference networks existed-- ABC was STILL putting preferred matchups at 11 AM, rather than 2:30.
Which is my only point. I just can't help but be amused by all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, when that has been the norm for two decades.
And beyond that, there are plenty of other undesirable things the networks do. Thursday night games. Early September 3 PM 105-degree kickoffs in Austin, Texas. Etc.
But the bottom line is that all of our schools have sold out the in-person fan experience, for the sake of the television broadcasting partners' preferences. We have nobody to blame, but our own schools, for agreeing to all of this.
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all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, has been the norm for two decades.
fixed
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all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, has been the norm for two decades.
fixed
Ha!
Well I suppose that's the truth.
They need to be bitching at their school's athletic department. They're the ones who handed those rights over to the conferences.
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Never old.
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When I first started posting here most folks howled that ALL games should be played on Saturday at exactly noon ET no matter what. Now all of a sudden it's a bad thing if the game is on Saturday at noon ET. That's kind of funny.
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Out in AZ, I love rolling out of bed Saturday morning when games are starting.
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Out in AZ, I love rolling out of bed Saturday morning when games are starting.
That's a dream, and really, some of these smaller games in the east should think about starting in the morning. I'd watch some MACtion at 10 am over gameday.
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And yet that still doesn't change my fundamental argument about the 11 AM kickoff times for ABC and Fox, with respect to fan anger. Whether it's due to increased exposure in primetime, or additional pressure from CBS/SEC in the 2:30 slot, or other factors-- when ABC or Fox get to pick in the pecking order, they typically choose to put the more desirable matchups at 11 AM, rather than 2:30. Only one game per week from ALL possibilities, is going to end up on ABC primetime. So the next-most-desirable matchup, is going to be aired at 11 AM.
And that's what fans are complaining about. They don't like the early kicks. But the 11 AM is a preferred timeslot in the view of Fox and ABC, compared to 2:30. So it's going to keep happening to fans of teams that are popular and/or successful. And beyond that, it's nothing new. This has been going on for almost 20 years. Before CBS carried SEC games, before Fox carried college games, before ABC established primetime games, before the conference networks existed-- ABC was STILL putting preferred matchups at 11 AM, rather than 2:30.
Which is my only point. I just can't help but be amused by all the fans bitching about 11 AM kickoffs, when that has been the norm for two decades.
And beyond that, there are plenty of other undesirable things the networks do. Thursday night games. Early September 3 PM 105-degree kickoffs in Austin, Texas. Etc.
But the bottom line is that all of our schools have sold out the in-person fan experience, for the sake of the television broadcasting partners' preferences. We have nobody to blame, but our own schools, for agreeing to all of this.
I think we're in agreement in the central point. The schools sold out to TV. TV fills it out as it sees fit.
I still don't buy that there's something more valuable about 11 am than 2:30, and expect the opposite is in most cases true. This might be informed by the fact that UW played a lot of not that attractive games early when I was in school.
That might just be my bias that comes with a timeframe of the past 15 years, especially the past seven or so, when primetime became kind and then oversaturated.
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I think we're in agreement in the central point. The schools sold out to TV. TV fills it out as it sees fit.
I still don't buy that there's something more valuable about 11 am than 2:30, and expect the opposite is in most cases true. This might be informed by the fact that UW played a lot of not that attractive games early when I was in school.
That might just be my bias that comes with a timeframe of the past 15 years, especially the past seven or so, when primetime became kind and then oversaturated.
This is what I think is weird, that you're arguing over this point? Outside of primetime, ABC and Fox take their next pick and put it at 11, not 2:30. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
You can doubt that this is the correct course of action, but it's certainly the course of action that the network executives choose to take, for whatever reasons.
(And those reasons, are their market research...)
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(https://i.imgur.com/kdE8vR5.jpg?fb)
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(And those reasons, are their market research...)
as far as you know
doesn't make it true
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(And those reasons, are their market research...)
as far as you know
doesn't make it true
I figured you'd sniff out the pot to stir sooner or later. :)
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Out in AZ, I love rolling out of bed Saturday morning when games are starting.
Yep. Gameday starts at 6, games start at 9.
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Yep. Gameday starts at 6, games start at 9.
If you lived in Hawaii you could watch Gameday at 3, and games would start at 6.
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I also find the if not Prime Time, then Noon/11 am to be a bit of a dodge from CBS' 330/230 slot, which let's face it, wipes the floor ratings wise most weeks with whatever else Fox/ABC puts up at either Noon/11 or 330/230.
I'll also note on the production side, Fox has a garbage production, with CBS' being the best (i'm not talking about the PBP/Color).
the shots Fox missed last week and in the Ducks/tOSU were inexcusable. There were a few plays where I thought i was watching old wishbone games, with the camera guy buying the fakes.
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This is what I think is weird, that you're arguing over this point? Outside of primetime, ABC and Fox take their next pick and put it at 11, not 2:30. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
You can doubt that this is the correct course of action, but it's certainly the course of action that the network executives choose to take, for whatever reasons.
(And those reasons, are their market research...)
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
But seriously, I don't think the bolded part is the case (on the ABC side), and think it's a relatively recent development on the Fox side. And the strategy behind it for Fox seems sound, i.e. to dodge the CBS game and the oversaturated evenings.
Just this year, ABC put a top 10 matchup (Iowa-Iowa State) in the afternoon slot with Florida USF in the early slot. Bama-Miami got the Week 1 3:30 with OU-Tulane at noon. Last week, the probably better MSU-Miami game was at noon, with the national power (Clemson) in a conference game against GT, so I guess that's a next pick situation (the only other well-rated game they had access to was SC-UGA, so a lean week). I guess when I see those games, I see very little pudding.
I guess we can just disagree on that.
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Perhaps you two should just duke it out.
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Perhaps you two should just duke it out.
You mean have a civil chat over some nice sandwiches that include a little fresh Duke's mayonnaise? How genteel.
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I've never been much of a mayonnaise on a sandwich kinda guy. I don't dislike mayonnaise like some people do, in fact I like to mix it with ketchup and eat it on fries. But for sandwiches I typically use mustard.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
But seriously, I don't think the bolded part is the case (on the ABC side), and think it's a relatively recent development on the Fox side. And the strategy behind it for Fox seems sound, i.e. to dodge the CBS game and the oversaturated evenings.
Just this year, ABC put a top 10 matchup (Iowa-Iowa State) in the afternoon slot with Florida USF in the early slot. Bama-Miami got the Week 1 3:30 with OU-Tulane at noon. Last week, the probably better MSU-Miami game was at noon, with the national power (Clemson) in a conference game against GT, so I guess that's a next pick situation (the only other well-rated game they had access to was SC-UGA, so a lean week). I guess when I see those games, I see very little pudding.
I guess we can just disagree on that.
Excellent, then all of those aggrieved fans of the programs being unjustly persecuted with those loathsome 11 AM kickoffs have no reason to complain and should just shut up and move along quietly. :)
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try mixing mayonnaise with mustard on your sammich
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try mixing mayonnaise with mustard on your sammich
I've had it. It's okay. Not really worth the extra calories IMO.
Mayonnaise in tuna salad, of course, is completely necessary.
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I've never been much of a mayonnaise on a sandwich kinda guy. I don't dislike mayonnaise like some people do, in fact I like to mix it with ketchup and eat it on fries. But for sandwiches I typically use mustard.
In my neck of the woods this is the default, and they call it Fry Sauce.
If you want regular ketchup you have to request it, and then they look at you like you just ordered ketchup on a hot dog in Chicago.
(https://archive.sltrib.com/images/2013/0108/frysauce_110712~1.jpg)
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In my neck of the woods this is the default, and they call it Fry Sauce.
If you want regular ketchup you have to request it, and then they look at you like you just ordered ketchup on a hot dog in Chicago.
(https://archive.sltrib.com/images/2013/0108/frysauce_110712~1.jpg)
I'd heard that. Any idea how it originated? It seems oddly, specifically Utahan, at least here in the USA.
I know you can also buy premixed versions in some South American countries, in Argentina they call it salsa golf.
I picked up the habit in France on one of my first trips over there. I saw the locals dipping their frites in mayo, but a handful mixed mayo and ketchup together. I tried that and was hooked.
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If you lived in Hawaii you could watch Gameday at 3, and games would start at 6.
I've done it. Of course I was jet lagged on vacation, and just happened to wake up at 3:30. But it was a lot better than having the typical infomercial parade you'd have at that hour.
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I spent a lot of time working in Newport Beach during my first job out of college, like, about a year.
I really liked college football starting at 9 AM on Saturdays, pro games at 10 AM on Sundays, and MNF at 5 PM. Of course, I wasn't going to any of those games in-person...
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I'd heard that. Any idea how it originated? It seems oddly, specifically Utahan, at least here in the USA.
I know you can also buy premixed versions in some South American countries, in Argentina they call it salsa golf.
I picked up the habit in France on one of my first trips over there. I saw the locals dipping their frites in mayo, but a handful mixed mayo and ketchup together. I tried that and was hooked.
Arctic Circle claims to be the ones that got the ball rolling on that.
It has definitely permeated the neighboring states. I've been served Fry Sauce in Idaho, Nevada and Arizona as well.
Some of those fancy burger joints will substitute the Ketchup with BBQ Sauce, and the Mayo with Ranch. Red Robin does this, for example.
(https://acburger.com/images/ac-fry-sauce.png)
It took some getting used to, as I'm one of those guys who orders everything without mayo. But once you get used to it, regular ketchup is just way too overwhelming a flavor.
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It took some getting used to, as I'm one of those guys who orders everything without mayo. But once you get used to it, regular ketchup is just way too overwhelming a flavor.
Yeah I really only ever eat ketchup on French fries or tater tots or onion rings, and agree that the mayo cuts the intensity of the ketchup, in a good way.
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I don't eat ketchup or mix it with anything - too sweet
mostly just tomato sugar
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and regarding kickoff times... doesn't matter much if just watching on TV
It's the actually attending the game that is bothersome with early time-frames
and recruiting
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I don't eat ketchup or mix it with anything - too sweet
mostly just tomato sugar
I like the contrast of the sweet ketchup with the savory salty fried goodness of the fries. But I probably only ever eat french fries maybe once every 6 weeks these days.
Of course in 2 weeks when I'm at the State Fair, I will almost certainly OD on fried food.
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for something red on fries, which isn't often, sriracha is my choice
it has some sweet with some heat
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for something red on fries, which isn't often, sriracha is my choice
it has some sweet with some heat
It betrays a combination of some of the pretentious cuisine’s I came up around and the place I lived past 5+ years, but man mustard is both wonderful and better than ketchup
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mustard good
ketchup bad
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I eat mustard (and not ketchup or mayo) on pretty much all sandwichy type foods. Hamburgers, hot dogs, actual sandwiches... all get mustard.
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you are a good guy
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you are a good guy
I have a funny memory of eating at a sandwich bar at a work conference and seeing a friend who missed that it was whole seed mustard.
He walks over, sits down, starts chatting and takes a power bite. The look on his face was something.
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I don't eat ketchup or mix it with anything - too sweet
mostly just tomato sugar
Same here.
If fries are prepared and seasoned properly, they don't need any dipping sauce anyway.
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I have a funny memory of eating at a sandwich bar at a work conference and seeing a friend who missed that it was whole seed mustard.
He walks over, sits down, starts chatting and takes a power bite. The look on his face was something.
Can't handle mustard? PoA...
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I don't see the point of mayo. It's not unpleasant to consume, but it certainly isn't "good."
Seems like a really easy way to cut a bunch of calories, without really missing much.
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I like mayo + mustard on my sandwiches.
Mustard only on hotdogs (with diced onion).
For fries, yeah, good ones don't need anything. Same with meat.
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Can't handle mustard? PoA...
I mean. A good strong mustard will clear the sinuses right quick.
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a buddy of mine started bottling this... haven't tried it. Hoping to get a couple jars Saturday
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s600x600/241695979_183595967192748_1033229250632122217_n.png?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=YbWkLzZkGOMAX-UlO_b&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=2121bcf0939e9861661faf41c6e1229c&oe=61734C52)
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I mean. A good strong mustard will clear the sinuses right quick.
I'm a fan of horseradish and wasabi when you need to clear those sinuses. When you get enough of either that your scalp starts tingling, you know you're in business!
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I assume we're talking about good mustard, not the baby-crap-looking, yellow stuff.
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Yep. Who needs NeilMed when you got horseradish and wasabi?
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I assume we're talking about good mustard, not the baby-crap-looking, yellow stuff.
The baby crap is the only mustard for a depression dog or Chicago dog.
Gonna get me a couple of DD's tomorrow, so long as I'm here... Italian beef on Saturday for game time.
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The baby crap is the only mustard for a depression dog or Chicago dog.
Gonna get me a couple of DD's tomorrow, so long as I'm here... Italian beef on Saturday for game time.
Watch your lead intake this weekend, Badge...
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Yella mustard is just as childish a condiment as ketchup.
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Yep. Who needs NeilMed when you got horseradish and wasabi?
Hell yes!
I’m going to assume you have had the jumbo shrimp cocktail at Saint Elmo’s steakhouse in Indianapolis? It’s always fun taking people in there, ordering that, and not giving them a warning.
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I do love me some scrimps...
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Speaking of Elmos. They were quite fastidious in their desire to keep from bottling their sauce for retail consumption, as the potency of horseradish in cocktail sauce begins to degrade fairly quickly after it is made. I typically walk in there and buy a fresh pint or quart for parties.
Apparently since bottling it at Costco and now elsewhere, it's seen significant market share. They also have bourbon and colas now. Pretty great brand to market of course. I still prefer to buy it fresh for immediate consumption. Even a good jar of horseradish sauce doesn't maintain that kick after a week or two.
Btw: yellow mustard still the best adhesive for any meat rub for smoking.
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Appalachian St edged Marshall 31-30
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Yella mustard is just as childish a condiment as ketchup.
don't you blaspheme in here!
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don't you blaspheme in here!
You gotta get the brown stuff, if you wanna do mustard right.
(https://images.freshop.com/00072338846926/137cf99da5888f4f136ba22ec396d8cb_large.png)
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agreed that there are better more flavorful mustards than yeller, but comparing any mustard to ketchup is nonsense
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They are joined at the hip. You never see one without the other.
(https://i.insider.com/5b967f972badb92cb905816b?width=700)
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you haven't been to my kitchen(https://i.imgur.com/IcOG04a.jpg)
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Your definition of yella mustard must differ from mine.
I'm talking about the generic stuff that comes out of the bright yellow plastic bottles, and often sit along side a matching red bottle of ketchup.
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I don't eat much of that
best used as a rub on your BBQ to get the salt, pepper, & other spices to stick
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the boat-chee in the above pic is very good IMO
stone ground dutch from Rock Island, IL - somewhat yella
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They are joined at the hip. You never see one without the other.
(https://i.insider.com/5b967f972badb92cb905816b?width=700)
Not always.
(https://i.imgur.com/aau21yt.png)
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Appalachian St edged Marshall 31-30
Delightful game. Marshall’s coach has something going.
This isn’t peak App because of the QB, but the playmakers are feisty.
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you haven't been to my kitchen(https://i.imgur.com/IcOG04a.jpg)
Looks good, except for the Budweiser.
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the homemade kraut is from a friend of mine
the best I've had - fantastic
I'm always asking for one more jar.
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I keep saying I'm going to make my own kraut... It's not like it's a difficult process.
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just stinks up the house for a while
gotta have the right source for cabbage, I've been told
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How about a farm market?I make a dish I've listed with equal parts shaved cabbage and Kraut to give both zest and crunch in the crock for a couple of hrs.But i hardly put that on Brats/Sausage usually just raw onion and Stadium Mustard
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How about a farm market?I make a dish I've listed with equal parts shaved cabbage and Kraut to give both zest and crunch in the crock for a couple of hrs.But i hardly put that on Brats/Sausage usually just raw onion and Stadium Mustard
Mrs. 847 was talking last night about how she can't wait for the farmer's market to open in a couple of weeks in our development.
I asked, "Are you really that excited to buy a farmer?"
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Careful they know how to til those fields
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How about a farm market?I make a dish I've listed with equal parts shaved cabbage and Kraut to give both zest and crunch in the crock for a couple of hrs.But i hardly put that on Brats/Sausage usually just raw onion and Stadium Mustard
it's derned tasty on brats
get outside your comfort zone, you can still lean over the sink
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PARIS La Maison Maille French Boutique (https://us.maille.com/blogs/boutiques/paris-la-maison-maille-boutique-update)
(https://i.imgur.com/ieOFmzC.png)
The French oddly enough have some incredible mustards, this place in Paris is like a museum.
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French's is French, right??
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Believe there's the National mustard museum is in Middleton, WI.
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French's is French, right??
Well, mustard is a French invention, so, in a roundabout way at the very least...
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great on (Sausage Kolaches)
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great on (Sausage Kolaches)
That's like a peanut butter and jelly runza. So, sure...
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(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t45.1600-4/cp0/q75/spS444/c0.59.526.526a/p526x296/214996840_23848618851750332_4937727176667300217_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=86c3dc&efg=eyJxZV9ncm91cHMiOlsibm9fc2FmZV9pbWFnZV9mb3JfYWRzX2ltYWdlIl19&_nc_ohc=OL0RY9rlT-cAX8EpVvg&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=6481ee8b4efbc9844f6dab63ed98358c&oe=6153D578)
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Those are some long, slender dogs right there.
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Undefeated Wake Forest is beating Virginia by 10, late in the 3rd quarter.
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by 20 with 8 minutes left in the 4th
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I'm not staying up for Fresno, who is currently trailing
early tee time in the morning
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Unlv up 5 at the half.
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Rebels take a 1 point lead in the 4th