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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Entropy

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #910 on: August 23, 2018, 02:19:18 PM »

What it seems we’re talking about is three mostly separate worlds that sometimes interact:
-NCAA, which is aimed at enforcing amateurism, players’ rights, other piddling things.
-the legal world. Courts, lawyers, judges, actual laws
-The HR world, which would be an institutions’ own policies.
Agree.   Sometimes it is very clear... like a player eating a ham sandwich at an event for free or a coach watching porn on his state issued device.   Other times, these start to bleed between all three.  Though I'd argue the NCAA's main goal image.  
The "systems" seems flawed to me when a kid is punished harsher for something most college kids try to do (get a better deal or save money on something you want) vs an adult who doesn't even abide by his own philosophy written on a wall... and adult who doesn't follow HR guidelines...

Regardless, I didn't expect Urban to be fired, nor do I think he should based upon what we know or think we know.   I just think 3 games is light when compared to what others have lost at OSU
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #911 on: August 23, 2018, 02:44:24 PM »
Hits just keep on coming.According to 11 Warriors Zack Smith is saying he spent the night at the Strip Club in 2014 with Tom Herman using the Company Card.I just wish Meyer had stepped down his protege Smith is leaving steaming piles everywhere
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« Reply #912 on: August 23, 2018, 02:47:57 PM »
How much of this do people think was about Meyer feeling loyalty to Smith due to his grandfather?  Do you think he ignored the whispers because of that loyalty? 

I could see that happening.  We've all probably done it to an extent with close friends and/or family.   I mean, I often ignore Hoss' inability not to pee himself, but others might take note of it.  

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« Reply #913 on: August 23, 2018, 02:55:03 PM »
Hits just keep on coming.According to 11 Warriors Zack Smith is saying he spent the night at the Strip Club in 2014 with Tom Herman using the Company Card.I just wish Meyer had stepped down his protege Smith is leaving steaming piles everywhere
Pretty sure it was at his own expense.   
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« Reply #914 on: August 23, 2018, 03:01:14 PM »
Pretty sure it was at his own expense.  
Yeah, the report mentioned him going to a Miami strip club that year and paying on his own. The investigators were, however, worried it might be an NCAA violation, because it looked like this was part of the spiel with the high school coaches he brought. I'm not sure which rule that would violate, though.

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« Reply #915 on: August 23, 2018, 03:38:27 PM »
so, if you spend your own money that came from a university issued paycheck it makes everything OK????

heck, you can't even spend money the guy next to you earned from his paycheck if that guy is deemed a "booster"
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #916 on: August 23, 2018, 03:42:51 PM »
I think the issues with that strip club story are:

(a) Can a CFB coach give a HS coach inducements during recruiting?

if not

(b) does a free meal or strip club experience count as an inducement?

if so

(c) Was the $600 tab just for Zach, or was the full tab for the group?

I really doubt anything ever comes of that, though. It's too hard to see clearly.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #917 on: August 23, 2018, 03:43:51 PM »
5 games off for tatoos or 4 games for autographs is worse than 3 games for whatever Meyer did, except for the fact Meyer loses a chunk of cash.  

The NCAA looks at "impermissible benefits" rather sternly of course, it seems to be a main part of their enforcement ourside Oxford, MS.

Many here have commented that the game itself has a sickness that may over time alter it to an extent we won't recognize or kill it entirely.

These things don't help obviously.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #918 on: August 23, 2018, 03:45:13 PM »
I think the only hanging chad is that female subordinate of Zach's who (1) he had a sexual relationship with and who (2) was then switched to another department. Without more info, it doesn't make sense to speculate on specific outcomes, but there are several ways for that to become a bad story.

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« Reply #919 on: August 23, 2018, 03:51:59 PM »
None of this makes any sense to me...

Urban [in contravention to what he said] didn't report the 2015 incident to compliance. But clearly it was MORE than on his radar, as he and Gene monitored it for "a series of months". Did nothing.

Urban was aware of at least some of his lewd behavior and other transgressions outside of that incident. Did nothing.

Urban was aware of truancy, drug abuse [and non-completion of rehab], dishonesty, financial irresponsibility, and possible NCAA infractions. Did nothing.

Gene Smith, Urban's boss, recommended getting rid of him. Did nothing.

This makes no sense.

A 3 week suspension is what you give someone who did the bare minimum in his job but perhaps could have done more. It appears Urban was well aware of many of the transgressions, mostly kept them swept under the rug, was even recommended by his boss to cut the guy loose, and continued to protect him at EVERY turn. 

That shows he lacks the decision-making skills necessary to actually lead a complete college football program. 

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« Reply #920 on: August 23, 2018, 03:54:10 PM »
And then he gets a pass because he's on medicine that apparently makes him forgetful of major issues with his subordinate. So he can't be disciplined for being a lenient and bad boss, because he suffers memory loss.

But he is still qualified to be paid millions of dollars to coach one of the premier college football teams in the nation. Not like you need functional memory for that!

I wonder if he'll get off when he funnels $100K from a booster to a recruit. "Sorry, NCAA, I'm on this medicine... Is that an infraction? I must have forgot!"

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« Reply #921 on: August 23, 2018, 03:57:35 PM »
I think the only hanging chad is that female subordinate of Zach's who (1) he had a sexual relationship with and who (2) was then switched to another department. Without more info, it doesn't make sense to speculate on specific outcomes, but there are several ways for that to become a bad story.
Many, MANY ways for that to become a bad story.
I don't think there's any issue with the tawdry portion of having his sex toys shipped to his office, as long as he didn't use them in his office. I don't think there's necessarily any issue with going to a strip club, whether it was with Tom Herman or not, as long as it was on his own dime. [There could be NCAA issues if he took an HS coach, but I don't really know on that.]
But if he was screwing a staffer, possibly one with which he enjoyed some sort of power imbalance as a member of the coaching staff, and they transferred her while keeping him on staff? That could get ugly. Especially if they transferred her to protect her from his aggressive, jealous, or potentially violent behavior... But if that were the case, then this could become a nuclear story.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #922 on: August 23, 2018, 03:58:55 PM »
I think the issues with that strip club story are:

(a) Can a CFB coach give a HS coach inducements during recruiting?

Heck NO

(b) does a free meal or strip club experience count as an inducement?

Heck YES


(c) Was the $600 tab just for Zach, or was the full tab for the group?

Let me Guess
also, I enjoy Tom Herrman's name being brought up occasionally
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #923 on: August 23, 2018, 03:59:18 PM »
And I don't get Gene Smith... Do you have control of your athletic department, or not?

After 2015, after truancy, after [failed] rehab, you tell Urban "Fire Zack Smith, or I will do it for you." 

You don't "recommend" he get rid of him, and when Urban continues to protect him, let it slide. 

 

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