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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #98 on: August 02, 2018, 12:08:43 AM »
Few can put that above the sports impact.  Way of life

No doubt. And then even of those who do act like they put it above sports impact, a decent fraction is just lip service. Saying the right things to make it seem like one's priorities are straight. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #99 on: August 02, 2018, 12:22:49 AM »
This blurred line between journalistic reporting and talking-head, tie-wearing "what if" garbage is a societal problem.



People aren't smart enough to tell when they're listening to a journalist or a commentator, period.  
When it comes to this topic, I toss two opposite ideas in my head. 

Either:
(1) the media is us - that if one were able to add up and average every NPR, Nat. Enquirer rag, Fox/CNN editorial, Vogue mag, Tumblr post, podcast, radio station, house flipping reality TV and all the others that it would be precisely equal to the average of modern humanity in terms of good/bad, decency/foulness, simplicity/nuance, oafishness/sophistication (...) and that if you agree that the media complex is amidst a long nosedive of "lowering the bar," that it isn't the media heads but civilization itself that is primarily to blame. And if we become healthier, so will our media.
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(2) Civilization is qualitatively no better/worse than it has ever been (since, e.g., the advent of television), yet the founding forces of big media like television began with high ideals that were mismatched with modern society and the long nosedive of "lowering the bar" is just an inevitable outcome of the sum-of-all-media changing to best reflect its representatives.
In either case, I believe that "we common people" are more primarily to blame than the "media execs." Both options are consistent with that. They just differ on the mechanism to-date and future outlook. I find option #2 much more pessimistic (as it implies our crappiness is innate and - with some qualifiers about 100years being a relatively short experiment on the scale of civilization - maybe we can't as a cumulative unit become any better, so our nosediving media is *necessarily* here to stay).

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #100 on: August 02, 2018, 12:25:37 AM »
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« Reply #101 on: August 02, 2018, 12:42:23 AM »
When it comes to this topic, I toss two opposite ideas in my head.

Either:
(1) the media is us - that if one were able to add up and average every NPR, Nat. Enquirer rag, Fox/CNN editorial, Vogue mag, Tumblr post, podcast, radio station, house flipping reality TV and all the others that it would be precisely equal to the average of modern humanity in terms of good/bad, decency/foulness, simplicity/nuance, oafishness/sophistication (...) and that if you agree that the media complex is amidst a long nosedive of "lowering the bar," that it isn't the media heads but civilization itself that is primarily to blame. And if we become healthier, so will our media.
OR
(2) Civilization is qualitatively no better/worse than it has ever been (since, e.g., the advent of television), yet the founding forces of big media like television began with high ideals that were mismatched with modern society and the long nosedive of "lowering the bar" is just an inevitable outcome of the sum-of-all-media changing to best reflect its representatives.
In either case, I believe that "we common people" are more primarily to blame than the "media execs." Both options are consistent with that. They just differ on the mechanism to-date and future outlook. I find option #2 much more pessimistic (as it implies our crappiness is innate and - with some qualifiers about 100years being a relatively short experiment on the scale of civilization - maybe we can't as a cumulative unit become any better, so our nosediving media is *necessarily* here to stay).
Well said.....
I don't think it's an either/or though....what I mean to say is there is no one unified "we" - there are the heads of the media/advertisers/etc and there's the rest of us (consumers, whatever).  You identified these two groups, but I don't think they can be lumped together in any way.  In no alternate universe are they-us or we-them.  
Of your opposites, if it were just us, "the rest of us" populating it all, it'd be #1.  But the fact that there are those titans of industry, who attained their position by preying on the rest of us - who must prey on us, will always do what they do to extract another penny from the lowest common denominator of our faults.
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« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2018, 12:44:53 AM »
Just consider the sheer volume of life-time we surrender to advertisers - commercials, youtube ads, looking at billboards, etc.....the sum of all of that - we're colossal whores to them.  Added  up, weeks or months of our lives just handed over to them.  Why?  How did we get here?!?




**this is going off-topic, sorry
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2018, 01:25:16 AM »
So how long until Urban finds himself on Nick Saban's staff?
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« Reply #104 on: August 02, 2018, 05:33:09 AM »
Any of OSU’s 15 solid 2019 commits softening?  

Logic dictates Urban’s entire staff be swept at the end of the season since they were in on the dirty secret.   Everyone should be highly motivated in camp.

The timing of this mess could not be worse from the Buckeyes point of view.
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« Reply #105 on: August 02, 2018, 07:01:46 AM »
Any of OSU’s 15 solid 2019 commits softening?  

Logic dictates Urban’s entire staff be swept at the end of the season since they were in on the dirty secret.   Everyone should be highly motivated in camp.

The timing of this mess could not be worse from the Buckeyes point of view.
Any of them? Hopefully the one he flipped from UW flips back.
As for his staff, I think it's wiped clean of anyone who was there besides Meyer, from 2015. Buckeye fans can correct that, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #106 on: August 02, 2018, 07:34:34 AM »
So how long until Urban finds himself on Nick Saban's staff?
HA!Nice, no doubt St.Nick will offer him just to be smug,pretty sure UFM doesn't need the coin
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« Reply #107 on: August 02, 2018, 07:41:17 AM »
As for his staff, I think it's wiped clean of anyone who was there besides Meyer, from 2015. Buckeye fans can correct that, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
IMO not until 2019,anyone taking the reigns right now will need all the help they can get.And it'll be only a temporary apptmnt.Can't just overhaul everything with no connection to the present players.There could be a mass exodus otherwise.Which is fine if you want to wreck the program for a few years
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #108 on: August 02, 2018, 08:12:44 AM »
Day being named interim head coach over the more experienced Schiano and Wilson is interesting.  I wonder if they’ve started packing their baggage.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #109 on: August 02, 2018, 08:13:13 AM »
 One of the more interesting aspects of this is how population in general reacts. It appears as if the 2015 incident was completely denied by Zack Smith and the police investigation agreed with him. 
 In other words it’s a he said she said and whether anything even happened at all, yet everyone is so quick to assume that he did these things he’s being accused of. 

 I have actually been the witness in court to a similar situation where she abused him but tried to have him prosecuted for abusing her. 

The  Faux out rage of Urban’ detractors is humorous and predictable
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« Reply #110 on: August 02, 2018, 08:28:37 AM »
IMO not until 2019,anyone taking the reigns right now will need all the help they can get.And it'll be only a temporary apptmnt.Can't just overhaul everything with no connection to the present players.There could be a mass exodus otherwise.Which is fine if you want to wreck the program for a few years
No, what I meant is that I don't think there is anyone left on the staff now that was there in 2015. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #111 on: August 02, 2018, 08:33:51 AM »
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No, what I meant is that I don't think there is anyone left on the staff now that was there in 2015.
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