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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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MaximumSam

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2018, 12:38:02 PM »
He definitely has some questions to answer.  Brett McMurphy's report is a loosey goosey with legal details - Smith apparently wasn't arrested or charged in 2015 with anything, as far as I can tell, and reports originally said he was, so Urban would be right to say that's wrong. 

That being said, Smith sounds like a psycho, Urban's own wife is texting saying she is scared of him.  He had a history of domestic violence and Urban apparently heard that it was still a problem.  Why in the hell would you keep him on staff at that point?

In any event, here is a public service message on domestic violence.  It's easy to say just fire the guy, but this often harms the victim and puts people in a very awkward position.  If you remember, Ray Rice's wife was out doing work trying to get him rehired, because she's married to the guy and him losing a seven figure job isn't something she wants.  You see that in this report, too - him losing his job would hurt the victim (who was financially able to stay home with her children due to his employment).  This enabled the domestic violence, but also is something that isn't lost on the other people around the situation.

In any event, Urban is going to get called to the carpet and he needs to answer what was going on.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2018, 12:49:32 PM »
Urban isn’t a scapegoat, he just finally got caught lying on something big. He’s been lying to people since he was at BG. For dishonest people, it becomes a way of life. Dude is an amazing football coach. One of the best ever. Not an amazing human being.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2018, 01:02:53 PM »
Story is on the front page of the MSN home page now.
this still exists, and is viewed by adults, knowingly?


Serious note:  DV cases are often as complicated as it gets in the criminal law world.  The amount of haze, ambiguity, volatility, inconsistency, recanting, hypocrisy, reciprocity, etc. is something else.  

It is rarely as simple as Man smacks Woman,  law enforcement contacted, Man arrested,  Man pleads guilty, or Man is found guilty.   I didn't really appreciate this until my tour in the DAs office, and I wondered,  hmm, why are there 2 Full Time  DV victim witness coordinators on staff.     Their job (very important) is, among other things,  part BS detector, determine veracity, part investigator,  emotional support specialist, witness prep, other people skills. 

These points don't necessarily go to Urban Meyer's role in any of this, just to highlight that the fact pattern of a DV case can come in innumerable shapes/sizes.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2018, 01:15:24 PM »
this still exists, and is viewed by adults, knowingly?
It's my parents' home page, smh. I did, however, successfully covert them from IE to Chrome.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2018, 01:29:09 PM »
Rant: I get annoyed with the highest profile guy is set up as the scapegoat. Why isn't Shelly getting investigated? How about Mrs. Smith others friends? Reporters are targeting Meyer to get the clicks, and I don't think that's how it should be.
Well, I think the McMurphy article does point out that as an OSU employee, she may have culpability for not reporting this about another OSU employee, due to Title IX. For example, at my work, any manager who learns of sexual harrassment is required to report it. It doesn't matter if someone tells you "don't tell anyone, I'm just confiding in you", you have to take it to HR anyway. There may be some culpability for her because she works for the organization as well. 
However, beyond that, I'm not entirely sure what you expect her to do... She doesn't have control over Z. Smith's employment. Urban does. If she didn't work for OSU, she may have a moral obligation to do something, but not a legal obligation. She's not the one with the power to protect Z. Smith. Urban is. 
If someone I know personally comes to me with tales of assault, and neither the victim nor the assailant works for my company, it's not my legal responsibility to report that to the assailant's employer. It just isn't. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2018, 01:49:06 PM »
Columbus Radio is now dropping Mrs. Smith sound bites.
She sent pictures of the abuse to her parents, and his parents. The parents came back with "Don't go to the Police."
She was asked point blank if she confirmed Shelley took this to Urban. She could not confirm.

But went on to condemn the Meyer's for only offering support, and counselling but not taking to the authorities. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2018, 01:50:55 PM »
Also from Radio, the Police report filed in Powell didn't contain Zach Smith's name.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2018, 01:54:42 PM »
this still exists, and is viewed by adults, knowingly?


My personal email is Hotmail (been so for 10+ years) and that page takes my directly to it. So, yes.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2018, 01:55:40 PM »
Trouble?  Bad PR for sure.  A very awkward press conference.  I doubt anything beyond that.
disagree.
the climate has changed in this country. big time. #MeToo movement is out for blood and the media sensationalizes everything. this could potentially roast his ass.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2018, 02:01:35 PM »
Urban isn’t a scapegoat, he just finally got caught lying on something big. He’s been lying to people since he was at BG. For dishonest people, it becomes a way of life. Dude is an amazing football coach. One of the best ever. Not an amazing human being.

I don't know enough details to confirm or deny BG lying. I thought he was an arrogant SOB while at Florida, and didn't like his hire at OSU. 
Perhaps it's my scarlett tinted glasses, but I had thought he had mellowed since his arrival here. (Family first / health first contract with kids.)
I will concur with the opinion of "One of the Best coaches, not an amazing human being." (Though with that caveat, he has used his power and fiances to some good things.)

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2018, 02:01:50 PM »
disagree.
the climate has changed in this country. big time. #MeToo movement is out for blood and the media sensationalizes everything. this could potentially roast his ass.
We'll see.  The "media" that covers sports also televises games, and has a vested interest in a good Ohio State.  As of 30 minutes ago ESPN had no mention of it on their site, not even on the college football page.  Their #1 story was the mishandling of a sex assault report at Idaho.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2018, 02:05:58 PM »
Legally, Meyer isn’t required to fire him or even contact the authorities (at least that I know of).

What is going to take him down is lying about it.  It’s a PR nightmare.  You can’t say you knew nothing about it when your wife had pictures of the abuse on her phone. And no, no one is going to believe his wife didn’t tell him.

There are other texts from other coaches’ wives that say things like, “Urban doesn’t know what to do.”


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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2018, 02:11:15 PM »
We'll see.  The "media" that covers sports also televises games, and has a vested interest in a good Ohio State.  As of 30 minutes ago ESPN had no mention of it on their site, not even on the college football page.  Their #1 story was the mishandling of a sex assault report at Idaho.
ESPN is about the only outlet in the country not reporting it now. McMurphy was just on ESPNU radio poking fun at his former employer for not going with it.
I’ve been listening to radio all day. The hosts of all the shows say they don’t see how Meyer survives this.  At this point I think I agree with them.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2018, 02:13:02 PM »
We'll see.  The "media" that covers sports also televises games, and has a vested interest in a good Ohio State.  As of 30 minutes ago ESPN had no mention of it on their site, not even on the college football page.  Their #1 story was the mishandling of a sex assault report at Idaho.
the media that covers sports is insignificant compared to the media that regular everyday people consume. It really is.
if this firestorm hits CNN/FOX/MSNBC/ABC/CBS - he's going to have a tough time surviving that kind of heat.
Apparently he only put up with that clown Zach Smith for so long because Smith is Earl Bruce's grandson, and Urban and Bruce were extremely close. Urban has said many times Bruce was like his 2nd father. Kinda feel bad for Urban to be honest. He was only loyal to that clown Smith because of his love for the guys' grandfather. Smith is a total pos.

 

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