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Topic: Is the Big Ten top to bottom the 2nd best conference in America?
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FearlessF · « **Reply #42 on:** October 04, 2019, 11:19:17 AM »

since there are 5 major conferences and 4 slots, I'm not opposed to a rule that would prohibit more than one team per conference

so what, a team with 3 losses gets in and runs the table...... this is what happens when you have a 4 or 6 or 8 team playoff. The best regular season team doesn't always win the playoff

rolltidefan · « **Reply #43 on:** October 04, 2019, 11:27:57 AM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on October 03, 2019, 10:20:18 PM

Because that year the SEC had a grand total of two good teams, Georgia and Alabama.

rolltidefan · « **Reply #44 on:** October 04, 2019, 11:32:00 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on October 04, 2019, 11:19:17 AM

since there are 5 major conferences and 4 slots, I'm not opposed to a rule that would prohibit more than one team per conference

so what, a team with 3 losses gets in and runs the table...... this is what happens when you have a 4 or 6 or 8 team playoff. The best regular season team doesn't always win the playoff

i hate that. still hate that year giants won it. i don't hate that ne lost it, don't care, but a team like the giants shouldn't have been in to begin with.

i don't want a mediocre team to get into the cfp just because they lucked up and won a conference.

and a 3 loss team wouldn't be good, and i wouldn't like it, but it's not the worst thing either. but we've come seriously close to having several 5-6 loss teams as p5 conf champs. do. not. want.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #45 on:** October 04, 2019, 11:37:04 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on October 04, 2019, 11:19:17 AM

since there are 5 major conferences and 4 slots, I'm not opposed to a rule that would prohibit more than one team per conference

so what, a team with 3 losses gets in and runs the table...... this is what happens when you have a 4 or 6 or 8 team playoff. The best regular season team doesn't always win the playoff

I've been saying it for years...

8 teams
5 P5 champs
Best G5 team
2 at-large selections

First and foremost, it makes conference championships matter. So what if your team sneaks into the CCG with an 8-4 (6-2) record, by virtue of tiebreakers for your division, and then beats the 12-0 team from the other division? You won your conference. You're in.

That now 12-1 team that you narrowly edged in the CCG game? They didn't win their conference, but they're in decently good shape for an at-large berth at least.

It satisfies the G5 crowd. Sure, that team is a sacrificial lamb to most likely the 1 seed in the CFP. But at least they have a seat at the table.

And 2 at large berths allow for teams that truly ARE special, but didn't win their conference.

It makes too much sense, I know, so I'm not holding out hope it'll happen.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #46 on:** October 04, 2019, 11:42:27 AM »

Rolltide, point taken, but I didn't mean to imply Auburn was a bad team. They were a good team, not great. They had the toughest schedule in the SEC and still managed to win their division. They were by far the strongest opponent for UGA and Alabama in the regular season, and beat both of them.

utee94 · « **Reply #47 on:** October 04, 2019, 12:06:50 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on October 04, 2019, 11:32:00 AM

i hate that. still hate that year giants won it. i don't hate that ne lost it, don't care, but a team like the giants shouldn't have been in to begin with.

i don't want a mediocre team to get into the cfp just because they lucked up and won a conference.

and a 3 loss team wouldn't be good, and i wouldn't like it, but it's not the worst thing either. but we've come seriously close to having several 5-6 loss teams as p5 conf champs. do. not. want.

I'm fine with it. I don't think a 3-loss team is going to beat "the best team in the country" if it makes it into the CFP. And I'm about 99.9% sure that a 5-6 loss team won't beat "the best team in the country" in the CFP.

And if it DOES happen, so what? People will bitch and moan about it.

How's that any different than the bitching and moaning we have now?

I'm all for a conference-champs-only requirement, but obviously that doesn't work too well with 5 P5 champs and only a 4-team playoff. And then there's ND that's not in a conference at all.

So bwar's suggestion is the one I've landed on for the past 4-5 years as well.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #48 on:** October 04, 2019, 12:21:48 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on October 04, 2019, 11:37:04 AM

I've been saying it for years...

8 teams
5 P5 champs
Best G5 team
2 at-large selections

I've been saying it for at least as many years "No".Don't like it don't lose or change conferences if you do if it means that much.More and more the Sunday bound studs will be sitting it out and protecting their investment.This will frustrate the Polls/Ratings even more.Less games/less injuries.And don't forget the vast majority of student athletes will still be going back to class

rolltidefan · « **Reply #49 on:** October 04, 2019, 12:35:17 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on October 04, 2019, 12:06:50 PM

I'm fine with it. I don't think a 3-loss team is going to beat "the best team in the country" if it makes it into the CFP. And I'm about 99.9% sure that a 5-6 loss team won't beat "the best team in the country" in the CFP.

And if it DOES happen, so what? People will bitch and moan about it.

How's that any different than the bitching and moaning we have now?

I'm all for a conference-champs-only requirement, but obviously that doesn't work too well with 5 P5 champs and only a 4-team playoff. And then there's ND that's not in a conference at all.

So bwar's suggestion is the one I've landed on for the past 4-5 years as well.

at least now the bitching and moaning are for good, deserving teams with a strong argument. that's what makes the arguments fun.

i agree it's not likely to happen. but it will at some point if we go to that model.

i just want to see the best teams competing for the title, i don't care where they come from. and i'm fine with adding more to get more conferences in, too. but if the sec or pac or b1g or whoever can't field a good enough team to have someone in the top 8-10, that's on them, not the cfp committee.

if there was a caveat that if you're in top 10, and won your conf, then you're in, or something similar, i'd be ok with that. that might allow a 3 loss team in, which i won't like, but could live with. cause at that point, that's a crazy cfb season and they're still one of the best teams that year. but it will also keep out 4-5-6 loss teams that have no business being in a conversation as best team in cfb.

utee94 · « **Reply #50 on:** October 04, 2019, 12:55:10 PM »

Quote from: rolltidefan on October 04, 2019, 12:35:17 PM

at least now the bitching and moaning are for good, deserving teams with a strong argument. that's what makes the arguments fun.

i agree it's not likely to happen. but it will at some point if we go to that model.

i just want to see the best teams competing for the title, i don't care where they come from. and i'm fine with adding more to get more conferences in, too. but if the sec or pac or b1g or whoever can't field a good enough team to have someone in the top 8-10, that's on them, not the cfp committee.

if there was a caveat that if you're in top 10, and won your conf, then you're in, or something similar, i'd be ok with that. that might allow a 3 loss team in, which i won't like, but could live with. cause at that point, that's a crazy cfb season and they're still one of the best teams that year. but it will also keep out 4-5-6 loss teams that have no business being in a conversation as best team in cfb.

I hear ya, and I understand your concerns. I just don't share them.

Wouldn't bother me at all if upstart 9-4 Northwestern that somehow managed to upend Ohio State in the B1G CCG, then went on to the playoff and knocked off the "better teams" like a 12-1 Clemson and then 13-0 Alabama to win the championship.

This isn't the NFL which is essentially an 8-8 league and a couple of good breaks here or bad breaks there move you into the playoffs or out of them. I don't think it's likely that my 9-5 Northwestern above wins even ONE of those two games in the CFP, and I think there's almost zero chance they'd win both of them. And if the field went to 8, then they'd have to beat THREE "better" teams to win the CFP which is just absurdly unlikely IMO.

I don't have any interest at all in seeing two teams from the same conference play in the CFP, regardless of how good the mediots proclaim to them to be. If they didn't win their conference, then they aren't good enough to win the NC. JMO of course.

FearlessF · « **Reply #51 on:** October 04, 2019, 12:59:32 PM »

no, 4 teams is too many

utee94 · « **Reply #52 on:** October 04, 2019, 01:02:35 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on October 04, 2019, 12:59:32 PM

no, 4 teams is too many

Well sure. 2 teams in the BCS was too many, too. I'd rather go ALL the way back to multiple bowl games that could potentially have an impact on the MNC.

But we're way past that now.

FearlessF · « **Reply #53 on:** October 04, 2019, 01:03:26 PM »

I'd rather not see the 2nd place SEC team win the whole thing, I'd also rather not see a 9-4 Northwestern team with a huge upset over a 10-1 tOSU team win the whole thing

I'd rather the committee or someone decide the top two teams after the reg season and pit them against each other

but I also know this will not happen

FearlessF · « **Reply #54 on:** October 04, 2019, 01:04:28 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on October 04, 2019, 01:02:35 PM

Well sure. 2 teams in the BCS was too many, too. I'd rather go ALL the way back to multiple bowl games that could potentially have an impact on the MNC.

But we're way past that now.

this would be my preference as well, but .......... that was way too much fun apparently

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 04, 2019, 01:28:20 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on October 04, 2019, 11:37:04 AM

I've been saying it for years...

8 teams
5 P5 champs
Best G5 team
2 at-large selections

First and foremost, it makes conference championships matter. So what if your team sneaks into the CCG with an 8-4 (6-2) record, by virtue of tiebreakers for your division, and then beats the 12-0 team from the other division? You won your conference. You're in.

That now 12-1 team that you narrowly edged in the CCG game? They didn't win their conference, but they're in decently good shape for an at-large berth at least.

It satisfies the G5 crowd. Sure, that team is a sacrificial lamb to most likely the 1 seed in the CFP. But at least they have a seat at the table.

And 2 at large berths allow for teams that truly ARE special, but didn't win their conference.

It makes too much sense, I know, so I'm not holding out hope it'll happen.

I am not really in favor of this for a couple reasons, but I have long assumed that this will happen eventually.

I don't like it because:

Too many games become almost completely irrelevant: For tOSU this year, they could lose all three OOC games and one of their three cross-over games and they would still control their own destiny to win the NC. I just don't like that.
I like now that there are more conferences than spots because it keeps some semblance of the old "every game matters" feeling. As a tOSU fan it sucked last year that they didn't get a shot at the NC because they had a horrible game against Purdue but that is part of what makes me want to watch EVERY SINGLE GAME. I watch because I know that a bad showing in any one of them could be the difference.

I think we will ultimately go to that model and I'd suggest that the top-4 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS get to host the first round. That would help address the complaints of those who thought it was ridiculous that tOSU and Bama got in without winning their conference because under this rule teams like that at least would be forced to play their opener in a hostile environment.

I think one thing delaying implementation of this model is that there isn't a good answer to the question of what to do with the first-round CFP losers during bowl week. I'm assuming here that the new on-campus first round games would be two weeks after the CCG's hosted by the top-4 conference champions. As I see it, there are three potential things to do with the losers:

Don't give them bowls at all: This sucks for them because even though they lost their CFP games, they are conference champions and/or some of the very best teams in the country. It just doesn't feel right to exclude them completely.
Have them play each other: The number of fans who would travel to see these games could probably fit in a phone booth. You wouldn't know about the game until mid-December and, as a fan, you would be coming off of thinking that your team could win the NC to suddenly fall to an irrelevant bowl game two weeks later, ugh.
Have them play non-playoff teams in NY6 Bowls: My guess is that the CFP losers would perform absolutely terribly in this situation. They would be in a "who cares" situation after losing their REAL goal in the earlier CFP game.

None of those options looks right to me.

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