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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46676 on: July 09, 2025, 05:26:26 PM »
Holcombe’s section on “The Elitist Constitution” is fascinating. It lays out the case for why “[t]he Constitution devised democratic processes for collective decision-making, but the Founders had no intention of designing a government that would respond to the will of the majority,” (p. 70) as illustrated by the fact that citizens “had almost no direct input into the federal government as the Constitution was originally written and ratified.” (p. 70)
The section on the Electoral College is even more striking, as it stands in sharp variance from the presumptions behind almost the entire current debate over the National Popular Vote compact:
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Quote [A]t the time the Constitution was written the Founders anticipated that in most cases no candidate would receive votes from a majority of the electors. The Founders reasoned that most electors would vote for one candidate from their own states…and it would be unlikely that voting along state lines would produce any candidate with a majority of the votes. (p. 75)
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Quote The Founders envisioned that in most cases the president would end up being chosen by the House of Representatives from the list of the top-five electoral vote recipients…Furthermore, there was no indication that the number of electoral votes received should carry any weight besides creating a list of the top five candidates


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46677 on: July 09, 2025, 05:44:09 PM »
I'd like to know who was in charge of the country. Everyone should want to know.
I kind of assume Trump isn't in change of the country now.  And I actually hope, he isn't.  We vote for a politician who stands for a set of ideas, then they appoint people to implement the ideas they promoted.  I think that trickles down.  I don't actually think most congressmen read what they vote for.  And I don't think we want them to.  That's like being mad Brad Pitt doesn't write his own movies.  He's a performer, and he performs in certain types of movies.  If we don't like his movies, he goes away.  I don't think many politicians know what they vote for.  They are the public face of a bunch of Ivy League 25 years olds, on $25k salaries, who generally agree with what the dancing monkey ran on, who tell them what to think

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46678 on: July 09, 2025, 06:21:22 PM »
I kind of assume Trump isn't in change of the country now.  And I actually hope, he isn't.  We vote for a politician who stands for a set of ideas, then they appoint people to implement the ideas they promoted.  I think that trickles down.  I don't actually think most congressmen read what they vote for.  And I don't think we want them to.  That's like being mad Brad Pitt doesn't write his own movies.  He's a performer, and he performs in certain types of movies.  If we don't like his movies, he goes away.  I don't think many politicians know what they vote for.  They are the public face of a bunch of Ivy League 25 years olds, on $25k salaries, who generally agree with what the dancing monkey ran on, who tell them what to think
like every President before him (with the exception of Joe Biden), Trump is in charge of the country, up to a certain extent. this is nothing new. whatever you think of Putin, the man had it right on the money when he said something about Obama along the lines of "I've seen Presidents come and ago, they might come into office with new ideas or their ways of wanting to do things, and then men in black suits and briefcases come to them and tell them this is how we do things" - not a word for word recital but basically something along those lines- and it's pretty god damn accurate.

former CIA officer John Kirakou talks about this at length- these guys in the bureaucracy just wait Presidents out. And CIA has armies of psychologists whose sole job is to psychological profile Presidents and know what buttons to push. Trump is also not exactly a hard guy to sway in a specific direction- he's not some ideologue- he is highly moveable and he'll go whatever way the wind blows and he feels is best for himself- he's a purely transactional guy- always has been.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46679 on: July 09, 2025, 06:26:50 PM »
just another daily reminder, that we are not a serious country. lol. 


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46680 on: July 10, 2025, 09:29:24 AM »
What is a "rappoteur"?

Sanctions on her of what kind?  She's immensely wealthy as a "rappoteur" from singing rap?

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46681 on: July 10, 2025, 09:47:25 AM »
I don't think a mayor of any city has much power outside what his city does, and even then it's limited.

If this guy is elected, my guess is he won't really DO that much beyond some highly visible small changes that get publicity but don't end up doing much.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46683 on: July 10, 2025, 10:29:44 AM »
It's MY point, if not THE point.  My OPINION is too much gets focused on this dude, he's only mayor of NYC.  Fine with me, whatever, if things go to H he'll be out in four years.  He doesn't have much future in politics beyond that, in my OPINION.

That he may be a hypocrit is hardly singular.  I think most politicians are major hypocrits.

He makes another nice Republican Talking Point, like Bernie and AOC though.


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46684 on: July 10, 2025, 11:37:16 AM »
David Hogg is right: Democratic leaders' strategy is obsolete
David Hogg is right: Democratic leaders' strategy is obsolete

Kinda vague, to me.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46685 on: July 10, 2025, 11:51:23 AM »
I don't think a mayor of any city has much power outside what his city does, and even then it's limited.

If this guy is elected, my guess is he won't really DO that much beyond some highly visible small changes that get publicity but don't end up doing much.


That's what his opponents said about some dude named Fiorello LaGuardia before he got elected. Wonder how that turned out. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46686 on: July 10, 2025, 11:53:10 AM »
What is a "rappoteur"?

Sanctions on her of what kind?  She's immensely wealthy as a "rappoteur" from singing rap?
what does it matter what type of sanctions the US has placed on her? the fact that they are placing any sanctions on her for releasing a 39-page UN report is beyond motherfucking ridiculous. don't like the findings of her report- well go through it page by page and refute it. placing sanctions on someone for a UN report = absolute absurdity. it is nothing but mafia style intimidation tactics by the most powerful government on planet earth to silence her. and they do so just a couple days after lifting sanctions on a literal terrorist. you cannot make this shit up. it's beyond parity. 

As for this lady, well she is a lawyer from Italy who was appointed by the UN Human Rights Council to the role of UN special rappoteur to be an independent special investigator for a period of no more than six years, and they are to conduct inquiries into human rights violations and to intervene on specific issues or urgent situations- their language, not mine.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46687 on: July 10, 2025, 11:53:52 AM »
Judge blocks Trump's order on birthright citizenship
Judge blocks Trump's order on birthright citizenship

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46688 on: July 10, 2025, 11:57:44 AM »
I don't think a mayor of any city has much power outside what his city does, and even then it's limited.

If this guy is elected, my guess is he won't really DO that much beyond some highly visible small changes that get publicity but don't end up doing much.
I agree with this. The diehard Fox News viewers who live in Buttfuck Egypt, Nebraka in the middle of fucking nowhere who have never been to New York City and will likely never go to New York City losing their minds over him has been pretty fun to watch imo.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46689 on: July 10, 2025, 12:39:58 PM »
Lots of Fox News watchers in Florida based on my observations here, on both coasts (more so on this side, it seems).
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