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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46410 on: July 06, 2025, 03:52:44 PM »
When an event is so extreme, it's the tip of the bell curve-rare, people still feel the need to blame someone for it.

Funny, no one is blaming god.  Weird. 
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46411 on: July 06, 2025, 04:48:17 PM »
A parent who lost a kid might well blame God.  I'm reading there was ample warning broadcast, the issue is it was initially ignored and then the water rose much faster  than anyone would have guessed.  I can see folks thinking they are well above any flood level, and then it happens once in a century, like Helene.

I know a lot of those towns pretty well that Helene flooded, it was ... incredible.  You live in a place (or in my case pass through) for decades and can't believe that "river" could get that high ever.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46412 on: July 06, 2025, 05:21:28 PM »
Well, warnings occur for a reason.  That's on them (the adults who sat on their hands).  That's a lot of dead children to be the cause of.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46413 on: July 06, 2025, 06:53:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 06, 2025, 05:21:28 PM
Well, warnings occur for a reason.  That's on them (the adults who sat on their hands).  That's a lot of dead children to be the cause of.
Yes, it is entirely on the adults who were responsible for the care of the kids at their camp.   Is someone disputing this?  I'm unsure of your point.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46414 on: July 06, 2025, 07:55:09 PM »
yes, but I wouldn't string up those adults, they had no idea.

yes , they should have acted quicker and been more cautious, but as you say, it was a 100 year event if not more.

no adult expected this
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46415 on: July 07, 2025, 07:16:56 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 06, 2025, 07:55:09 PM
yes, but I wouldn't string up those adults, they had no idea.

yes , they should have acted quicker and been more cautious, but as you say, it was a 100 year event if not more.

no adult expected this
That's the problem.

Adults are better when they hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

County leadership f'd this one up. The NWS did its job.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46416 on: July 07, 2025, 07:35:17 AM »
SLUBICE, Poland (AP) — Poland reinstated border controls on Monday with Germany and Lithuania following similar German restrictions imposed earlier this year aimed at discouraging asylum-seekers.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, whose government recently survived a confidence vote in parliament, announced the restrictions last week. Pressure has been mounting after far-right groups in Poland have alleged Germany was transporting migrants into Polish territory after they reached Western Europe.

The reinstated controls, which began overnight Sunday, will last for an initial period of 30 days, though authorities have not ruled out extending them, according to the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs and Administration.

“Illegal migration is simply a crime,” Polish Interior Minister Tomasz Siemoniak said Sunday during a news conference.
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« Reply #46417 on: July 07, 2025, 08:05:42 AM »
The buildings of Camp Mystic are ALL within mapped floodplain - and in many cases even withing the mapped FLOODWAY (dangerous).

The camp should not have existed at all.

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« Reply #46418 on: July 07, 2025, 08:15:02 AM »
yup, probably thought they were safe moving into a building
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46419 on: July 07, 2025, 08:48:51 AM »
It was midnight. They were sleeping.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46420 on: July 07, 2025, 08:51:47 AM »
the weather app on my phone will sometimes wake me up for severe weather alerts
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46421 on: July 07, 2025, 08:52:16 AM »
The majority of campers were moved safely to the pre-designated spot at higher ground.

A tragic population of the campers were not moved in time.  Like almost any catastrophe there were multiple points of failure.  

The NWS was not one of them.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46422 on: July 07, 2025, 08:58:29 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 07, 2025, 08:51:47 AM
the weather app on my phone will sometimes wake me up for severe weather alerts

Cell service is notoriously spotty in that remote area down in the river basin, and I don't believe campers were allowed to have cell phones anyway.

However, there absolutely should have been someone on staff responsible for tracking weather, at all hours.  And especially in a known flood-prone area and with a known rainstorm nearby.

There will be a lot of changes in policy and procedure at multiple locations and multiple levels of authority, I have no doubt.

But it will never bring back those 80+ people including 28 children.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46423 on: July 07, 2025, 09:01:35 AM »
Humans often learn the hard way.

And then we sometimes over react.
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