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I don't "desire" any kind of outcome.  I'm asking honest questions and receiving illogical red herring responses.

Iran has openly admitted they are enriching uranium to 60%.  The IAEA has performed inspections of the Iranian facilities and reported that Iran is stockpiling uranium that is enriched to 60%.

If you don't want to believe these two independent, non-affiliated, and arguably opposed sources that are telling you the same thing, that's up to you, but consequently you've exited the world of rational debate.

So be it.  I'll exit the debate, with this....again.


Doesn't matter much since it's apparent that this war was predetermined, Iran will be decimated, and they will not acquire a nuclear bomb.

So be it.  I'll exit the debate, with this....again.


Doesn't matter much since it's apparent that this war was predetermined, Iran will be decimated, and they will not acquire a nuclear bomb.

It was in fact.

Sometime before October 7, 2023.

Suppose they do acquire the ability to deliver a nuke.  Do you think they'd actually drop one?  Or do they want it as a deterrent, like everyone else?

I surmise they'd want it as a deterrent.  Countries that feel threatened want a deterrent, and this is a good one, usually, so far anyway.

Jerusalem would be off limits as a target.  Haifa and Tel Aviv would be obvious possible targets, but Israel does have decent antimissile capability.  If Iran could fire say 100 conventional rockets intermixed with say 5 nuclear tipped rockets, there is a good chance 1-3 would get through.  But if they fired only five by themselves, maybe one would hit, and Tehran would be "at risk".  Iran has many more plausible targets for a nuclear weapon and more population.

Would Israel retaliate?  At minimum, they would hit leadership and military targets and oil assets, at minimum, I think, maybe not Tehran with a nuke.

And a problem for Iran would be any US reaction to their first use.

I surmise they'd want it as a deterrent.  Countries that feel threatened want a deterrent, and this is a good one, usually, so far anyway.

Jerusalem would be off limits as a target.  Haifa and Tel Aviv would be obvious possible targets, but Israel does have decent antimissile capability.  If Iran could fire say 100 conventional rockets intermixed with say 5 nuclear tipped rockets, there is a good chance 1-3 would get through.  But if they fired only five by themselves, maybe one would hit, and Tehran would be "at risk".  Iran has many more plausible targets for a nuclear weapon and more population.

Would Israel retaliate?  At minimum, they would hit leadership and military targets and oil assets, at minimum, I think, maybe not Tehran with a nuke.

And a problem for Iran would be any US reaction to their first use.

You could just shorten it up and say --- "We'd wipe them off the map".

You could just shorten it up and say --- "We'd wipe them off the map".

I'd rather just let Israel do that.

Iran has no allies in the region. None of the rest of OPEC would care if they disappeared. Hell, I'd bet well more than half of their own citizens would like a regime change.

I'd rather just let Israel do that.

Iran has no allies in the region. None of the rest of OPEC would care if they disappeared. Hell, I'd bet well more than half of their own citizens would like a regime change.

Yet here we are, with our nose all up in it.

I honestly had no idea that Iran had a population of 90 million.  Much larger than I thought.  If I had to guess, I would've said maybe 30 million.  FYI, Canada only has 30 million in comparison.