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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44800 on: May 17, 2025, 11:21:19 AM »
In the US Public Land Survey system, a section is supposed to be a square mile, but they never are that. Some are far more. Some are far less. Early surveyors (deputies of the surveyor general) hired to lay out the sections and quarter sections did so using compasses and followed cleared lines using wagons, counting the rotations of the wheels for measurements, or very heavy chains consisting of 100 8-inch links (66 feet). There are 80 chains in a mile.

A township contains 36 sections - the Northern and Western sections are where the error was intended to be, but we know all of the sections contain errors.

Anyway, those wheels wear down and perform differently over bumps. Chains stretch. Vertical difference posed problems.

This is why we have Professional Land Surveyors to retrace surveys.



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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44801 on: May 17, 2025, 01:37:25 PM »
I think a politician should also avoid commenting on whatever some personality says about them.  It just gives them more pub.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44802 on: May 19, 2025, 08:10:17 AM »
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44803 on: May 19, 2025, 09:37:58 AM »
I looked up the price of farmland in Iowa, it's close to $12,000 an acre.  A 155 acre farm sold last year for about $2.8 million.  So, about 300 acres in Iowa would be worth $5 million.  Maybe that farmer would consider himself "rich".  He's likely not "hurting" in a given year though his income could bounce around a lot.

A farm that size likely has a lot of equipment and maybe two F250s or so.
In current American agriculture, a farm that's only 300 acres has been priced out of agriculture. US farm policy can be simplified by "Get bigger or die trying."

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44804 on: May 19, 2025, 09:57:29 AM »
I'm sure that's true in Iowa, but probably not as much in say Georgia.  I don't see very many farms here any more, pastureland, timber, some peach tree orchards, peanuts down south, onions, not much else.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44805 on: May 19, 2025, 10:09:55 AM »
Or Huron/Cuyahoga County
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44806 on: May 19, 2025, 12:25:47 PM »
In the US Public Land Survey system, a section is supposed to be a square mile, but they never are that. Some are far more. Some are far less. Early surveyors (deputies of the surveyor general) hired to lay out the sections and quarter sections did so using compasses and followed cleared lines using wagons, counting the rotations of the wheels for measurements, or very heavy chains consisting of 100 8-inch links (66 feet). There are 80 chains in a mile.

A township contains 36 sections - the Northern and Western sections are where the error was intended to be, but we know all of the sections contain errors.

Anyway, those wheels wear down and perform differently over bumps. Chains stretch. Vertical difference posed problems.

This is why we have Professional Land Surveyors to retrace surveys.





That's true for the township and range states, where surveyors were out dragging chains/poles through the woods, measuring Gunter's chain lengths in English settlements, or arpents in French colonial America.  

But, not everyone has such a tidy land division.  Texas, for example, uses metes and bounds instead of township and range.  You want to find and plot your land description on a map, you learn to read field notes.  If you're lucky enough to live in the 21st century, you use a program like Deed Plotter to punch all the notes in, or else you're sitting at a desk with a compass and protractor for hours on end, trying to figure out where the hell on this old Tobin map are you supposed to be looking.  Now you've got 20 lines describing a river boundary, which has probably changed a lot in the last 150 years.  Between that, and the stuff you mentioned, plus the fact that some of the old property descriptions are so far out of whack that the surveyors you were apparently on heroin--srsly, I once saw a survey of a "250 acre" tract that was 150 acres off--the modern surveyors keep themselves busy.  And, I'd add, also with the help of old lawyers, who often couldn't draw up a comprehensible deed...so surveyors should be thanking them too.  

If you learn to run title in Texas, running it in state with township and range like Louisiana is so easy it's like falling off a log.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44807 on: May 19, 2025, 12:28:38 PM »
That's true for the township and range states, where surveyors were out dragging chains/poles through the woods, measuring Gunter's chain lengths in English settlements, or arpents in French colonial America. 

But, not everyone has such a tidy land division.  Texas, for example, uses metes and bounds instead of township and range.  You want to find and plot your land description on a map, you learn to read field notes.  If you're lucky enough to live in the 21st century, you use a program like Deed Plotter to punch all the notes in, or else you're sitting at a desk with a compass and protractor for hours on end, trying to figure out where the hell on this old Tobin map are you supposed to be looking.  Now you've got 20 lines describing a river boundary, which has probably changed a lot in the last 150 years.  Between that, and the stuff you mentioned, plus the fact that some of the old property descriptions are so far out of whack that the surveyors you were apparently on heroin--srsly, I once saw a survey of a "250 acre" tract that was 150 acres off--the modern surveyors keep themselves busy.  And, I'd add, also with the help of old lawyers, who often couldn't draw up a comprehensible deed...so surveyors should be thanking them too. 

If you learn to run title in Texas, running it in state with township and range like Louisiana is so easy it's like falling off a log. 
We did it to try to keep out invaders from Louisiana.  Clearly it didn't work.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44808 on: May 19, 2025, 12:41:25 PM »
Back to the "rich" thing, Badger's post reminded me of a previous career, and a lady I met one day.  I was very new at the time and was given odd jobs while I was still learning aspects of the job necessary to be able to take on my own assignments.  One day I was given a cashier's check for just over a million dollars made out to a woman whose name I'd only seen on a spreadsheet.  I had to drive out to her house and deliver the check to her.  Apparently her bank had refused the deposit, but the oil and gas company was still obligated to pay her, and since direct deposit had failed, delivery was apparently the next option.  (Never understood why it wasn't mailed to her address.)  I'd previously worked at a bank and the only thing I could think of was a federal law (at least at that time, not sure about now) that required a bank to keep in cash-on-hand at least 10% of it's total demand deposits.  Most banks have a cash limit for various reasons, so hypothetically that limits deposits.  She used a small, local bank, which obviously carries lower limits than, say, Chase or Wells Fargo or something like that.  No idea if that was the problem, but I couldn't think of another reason why her bank didn't take the money. 

I drove out to her house, and I don't know what I was expecting, but this was a regular, old, fairly small house in the country, same as my grandparents lived in.  The lady was out in the front yard fixing a chicken coop, her husband was nearby also doing chores, both seemed a little miffed about being interrupted, as time was a-wastin' and dammit, they had goats to feed, cows to milk, the whole nine.  But they were nice enough.  Just country. 

That check was for one month's royalty on some wells on their property.  

So if Medina et al don't like my other definition of "rich," well, how's that one?  If you have so much money that your bank won't take any more of it, you're rich.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44809 on: May 19, 2025, 12:42:52 PM »
We did it to try to keep out invaders from Louisiana.  Clearly it didn't work.

Texans hired me to do that job, blame yourselves.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44810 on: May 19, 2025, 01:24:24 PM »
There are many systems for surveying in Texas. It's a very complicated license to obtain. Illinois and Wisconsin have some issues with Indian Boundary lines, and the Claims system, of course.
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44811 on: May 19, 2025, 01:35:03 PM »
Since this is the politics thread does anybody want to discuss Biden's cancer diagnosis?  Barely 4 months out of office and they're saying it could be terminal.  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44812 on: May 19, 2025, 01:50:34 PM »
So if Medina et al don't like my other definition of "rich," well, how's that one?  If you have so much money that your bank won't take any more of it, you're rich. 
Wow, that is some story, and yeah, that is RICH!

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44813 on: May 19, 2025, 01:54:17 PM »
I have this image of the country folk thanking MDT, inviting him in for iced tea, throwing the check on the counter, and half forgetting about it, maybe taking it to the bank a week later when Jed noticed it and was headed down to the bank anyway to chat with Mr. Drysdale.

 

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