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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #37646 on: October 04, 2024, 07:57:11 AM »
So, if one believes this, Biden could have done this years ago, and it's a "crisis", according to them, he only did this because it's an election year, and this is a political advantage for Trump and vice versa.

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« Reply #37647 on: October 04, 2024, 08:15:17 AM »
After that, Biden made a second major decision. He issued an executive order that barred migrants from asylum if they crossed illegally, even if they were fleeing oppression back home — a measure similar to one part of the failed bill. It changed the way people could ask for asylum.
Before, when migrants got to the border, U.S. officials asked if they feared returning home. Government officials believed many were saying yes regardless of whether it was true — and also that smugglers were coaching them how to answer. Now, to qualify for asylum, a migrant had to volunteer his or her worries unprompted. Officials say many fewer did so.
Because fewer people could get asylum under the new rules, the Department of Homeland Security could deport them much more quickly. The process can take a day or two if someone is from Mexico and does not have an asylum claim.
A turnaround
With all those moves together, immigration to the U.S. changed quickly. Arrests in September fell to around 54,000, the lowest figure in years. And with fewer people entering the asylum system, it was easier for the government to deport them.
In the first few years of the administration, detention centers were often overwhelmed, so officials released people with notices to appear in immigration court years down the line. Policymakers think that word of these strains spread into Latin America and induced more people to come illegally. “There was a message of, ‘this is not permissible,’ but everybody was being permitted to do it. So there was this kind of juxtaposition of public statement and then action,” said Matthew Hudak, a former U.S. Border Patrol official.
Now, as strains on the system have eased, officials react differently. Detention centers have space to hold people while they wait to see if they’ll be deported.


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« Reply #37648 on: October 04, 2024, 09:46:23 AM »


Immigrants are just plain great. People that would risk their safety and travel thousands of miles for uncertain rewards are the kinds of people who excel in work and business.

or the slender little kids for that matter


  Ya, I'm calling bullshit, congratulations on all you ignore - did you miss the throngs in airports flown into this country then bussed to their destinations and never checked? They didn't make here by their own application - don't lie. Normally immigrations come in trickles here/there not opening the floodgates and relocating 5-7,000 people at a time. We are not discussing the new neighbors next door. The Dems have dropped them off en masse and tell a financially strapped area to deal with it. You think their Party are going to keep funding all of this continuously? No, they'll just add it to our taxes because now it is our problem.

Local folks in the area that depended on social services or the kindness of the community have had that snatched up. But you don't give a shit about them because it doesn't effect you in your cushy digs though right? Because they haven't camped next store to you/yours and you know damn well they won't be anytime soon. Sprinfield was a picture perfect example of Americana, with a thriving middle class and an enduring manufacturing base. But in the years since, Springfield has become one of many of America's great towns to fall victim to deindustrialization and the decline of the middle class. Today, Springfield has a 22 percent poverty rate and a median income of just over $27,000 a year. Ya so adding to the problem will fix it - you should run for Govenor of Cali

When you become a defense attorney there in Clark County and live amid a community that in 1983, was named one of America's "Dream Cities" then I'll believe you have some skin in the game. Until then you are simply trumpeting the Democtic Party that has created a dire situation where there is simply too many pigs for the tits


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #37649 on: October 04, 2024, 09:51:36 AM »

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Today, Springfield has a 22 percent poverty rate and a median income of just over $27,000 a year. Ya so adding to the problem will fix it - you should run for Govenor of Cali
Haitian immigrant families have a median income of 65K, so by everyone's logic they are a benefit to Springfield

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« Reply #37650 on: October 04, 2024, 10:18:45 AM »
you are full of SHIT THE GOVERNMENT IS FUNDING THEM. 60 minutes before they turned left like you did a segment on the Island of Hispaniola the Haitians are not welcome on the other half of the Island in the Dominican Repulic. Wonder why that is - Dominicans must be prejudiced,right? Look it up if it hasn't been scrubbed
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« Reply #37651 on: October 04, 2024, 10:28:16 AM »
I'm more concerned about the people up North who got affected by Helene.

Sorry I brought it up.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #37652 on: October 04, 2024, 10:30:42 AM »
Hey, speaking on how local government works:


https://twitter.com/GrahamDavidA/status/1842191295256908112

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« Reply #37653 on: October 04, 2024, 10:38:47 AM »
I'm more concerned about the people up North who got affected by Helene.

Sorry I brought it up.
Ya badge but our government is more concerned with funding other countries problems of course as individuals they're robbing the till that was meant for Americans,sadly and shamefully
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« Reply #37654 on: October 04, 2024, 11:18:19 AM »
Ya badge but our government is more concerned with funding other countries problems of course as individuals they're robbing the till that was meant for Americans,sadly and shamefully
What I find really sad is how eager people like @MaximumSam are to screw over the less fortunate for their own benefit.  

One of the few things that I agree with @OrangeAfroMan on is that the population of this board is pretty darn well off.  Nearly all of us have college degrees.  Beyond that we seem to have an unusually high percentage of people with either:
  • Tough/high paying degrees such as engineering, or
  • Grad degrees (We have at least half a dozen lawyers here).  

For most of us mass immivasion is a short-term benefit.  The immivaders are mostly unskilled laborers and as near as I can tell nobody on here is selling unskilled labor.  Near as I can tell everyone here is either retired or selling highly skilled labor as accountants, lawyers, engineers, teachers, etc.  

Most of the immivaders aren't competing for our jobs because we aren't importing many with our skills.  So on the supply side it is a non-issue for us.  

On the demand side we are all buyers of unskilled labor either directly or indirectly.  Even if we don't have nannies, we travel and stay in hotels that hire unskilled laborers.  @betarhoalphadelta has a landscaper that may or may not be a legal or illegal immigrant (it doesn't matter).  We all purchase unskilled labor indirectly every day.  

On the demand side we benefit because the price of the unskilled labor that we directly or indirectly purchase is pushed down by the massive oversupply.  

What some people here fail to realize is that while we aren't (or at least most of us aren't, maybe @Cincydawg and @847badgerfan ) members of the 1% we are substantially above average.  The average American doesn't have a college degree let alone an engineering degree or a graduate degree.  They are struggling to get by on dramatically less income than we enjoy and our government is making their lives infinitely tougher by importing hordes of competitors for their jobs and for the government benefits that they receive.  

I don't think there has ever been an issue where the elites were more diametrically opposed to the wishes and the best interests of the masses.  Increased immigration doesn't even enjoy majority support among democrats and at this point you'd be hard pressed to find a non-Billionaire Republican who supports it and yet the elites keep on pushing it.  

Dave Brat's defeat of Eric Cantor back in 2014 is the only thing that saved our country from the Amnesty that the uniparty had planned.  

Unlike @MaximumSam , the people by-and-large are NOT fooled by the incessant pro-immigration propaganda.  Trump is a symptom of this.  The Republican electorate rebelled against the Republican leadership, tossed HoR Majority Leader Eric Cantor out of office, and balked at something like two dozen "establishment" (read pro immigration) Candidates in the 2016 Primary to select the ONLY immigration restrictionist candidate in the race.  

If the Republican leadership had listened to and advocated for their voters instead of their donors, Trump would have been DOA as a prior Democrat from NYC.  Instead, they clung to the interests of their donors and that is what got us here.  

In the long run the mass immivasion is a disaster for all of us, not just the less fortunate because we are importing net tax users and you can't make that up on volume.  Every one of them makes our nation poorer.  

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« Reply #37655 on: October 04, 2024, 11:37:34 AM »
I'm not well off but scrimped and saved only bought 1 new car in my 60 plus yrs. Put some money away in investments that got filleted during the housing crises and covid announcement. But Pelosi/Feinstein and other elites in Congress somehow avoided those calamities,insider trading that was not only a conflict of interest in fact broke Federal Law the 2nd time yet they skated - that's problematic. Frank Zappa was right "The USA is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced" .So was Richard Pryor "there's justice in the legal system - just us"
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« Reply #37656 on: October 04, 2024, 12:06:58 PM »

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In the long run the mass immivasion is a disaster for all of us, not just the less fortunate because we are importing net tax users and you can't make that up on volume.  Every one of them makes our nation poorer.  
Any minute now. It's only been hundreds of years, not enough time for the theory to bear fruit. It's complicated, after all.

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« Reply #37657 on: October 04, 2024, 01:22:47 PM »

Moving to Springfield any time soon?Perhaps your hero Brandon or Kamala might buy some vacation digs there with you - spread the wealth around and all
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« Reply #37658 on: October 04, 2024, 01:48:33 PM »
Moving to Springfield any time soon?Perhaps your hero Brandon or Kamala might buy some vacation digs there with you - spread the wealth around and all
Maybe...more than a speed bump on I-70 now

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« Reply #37659 on: October 04, 2024, 02:11:34 PM »
Any minute now. It's only been hundreds of years, not enough time for the theory to bear fruit. It's complicated, after all.
You just refuse to consider that what you have been told to believe is not true.  

We haven't had a welfare state drawing in people for "hundreds of years".  ALL pre-WWII immigrants had to sink or swim on their own.  The US didn't need to be concerned with welfare sponges coming here because there was no welfare to sponge off of.  

Then, Post WWII the Immigration Restrictionist policies of the 1920's remained in effect until the mid-1960's.  Moreover, even after that the "public charge" section of immigration law was still enforced and controlling the border was bi-partisan common-sense.  It wasn't until this century that enforcement of immigration law became anathema to the Democrats so your nonsense about us doing this for 100's of years is just that, nonsense.  

You can't compare pre-WWII immigrants with today's immigrants because our society is completely different today.  

 

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