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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36400 on: August 22, 2024, 09:02:02 AM »
I had lunch with our realtor friend yesterday, we usually chat about housing, as he's in the biz.  There is plenty of housing here, and plenty of new construction.  There really isn't some zoning inhibition here about said new construction as the developers usually own the zoning boards.  I've noted before, near me is a TON of new construction, nearly all apartments because for some reason they are easier to build, and younger folks don't  have down payments/credit.  This area is also "hyper=zoned".  

At least near me, zoning is NOT some inhibition to development.  Any time I'm in the 'burbs I see new developments going up everywhere.  Traffic of course is a mess.

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« Reply #36401 on: August 22, 2024, 09:03:29 AM »
Meh, plenty of liberal NIMBYs all over Austin. 
Yes, not saying liberals can't be NIMBY's. I'm saying liberal socialism might say we need to divvy up this private property among everyone to make everyone equal. This isn't that, but it is still a major infringement on property rights and the market, mostly based in not wanting anything to change.

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« Reply #36402 on: August 22, 2024, 09:04:32 AM »
LOTS of abandoned lots and fields in your typical big US city.  Why not build all this new multifamily housing there?  Because the big city school systems and the crime is bad?  Detroit is spending tens of million per year to tear down blighted homes.  They have identified upwards of 15,000 such properties.  Instead of just tearing down the blighted home why not put a new duplex there?  The idea that suburban zoning restrictions are causing the housing shortage is laughable.
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« Reply #36403 on: August 22, 2024, 09:10:29 AM »
LOTS of abandoned lots and fields in your typical big US city.  Why not build all this new multifamily housing there?  Because the big city school systems and the crime is bad?
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« Reply #36404 on: August 22, 2024, 09:13:18 AM »
LOTS of abandoned lots and fields in your typical big US city.  Why not build all this new multifamily housing there?  Because the big city school systems and the crime is bad?  Detroit is spending tens of million per year to tear down blighted homes.  They have identified upwards of 15,000 such properties.  Instead of just tearing down the blighted home why not put a new duplex there?  The idea that suburban zoning restrictions are causing the housing shortage is laughable.
well, ya gotta tear it down before you can build the duplex or 4-plex
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« Reply #36405 on: August 22, 2024, 09:14:58 AM »
I'm not seeing any connection between zoning and a housing shortage.  I think the latter has more factors involved that are far more relevant.

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« Reply #36406 on: August 22, 2024, 09:15:17 AM »
Call me crazy but most business ventures are built on making money
Only if it's not a government project.
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« Reply #36407 on: August 22, 2024, 09:16:18 AM »
Only if it's not a government project.
I'm not talking about government spending money to build houses. I'm talking about government letting developers spend money to build houses so they can then sell them for a profit.

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« Reply #36408 on: August 22, 2024, 09:20:19 AM »
Isn't zoning nearly entirely a local affair?

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« Reply #36409 on: August 22, 2024, 09:25:22 AM »
yes, Obama would like to change that
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« Reply #36410 on: August 22, 2024, 09:25:52 AM »
I'm not talking about government spending money to build houses. I'm talking about government letting developers spend money to build houses so they can then sell them for a profit.
Yes, it's one of the great mysteries...why a developer would rather build an apartment complex in the suburbs than in the city where all the housing shorted people are and work.
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« Reply #36411 on: August 22, 2024, 09:26:40 AM »
Isn't zoning nearly entirely a local affair?
Yes. The question is whether there should be a national response when local laws impact the nation. Sort of like civil rights issues in the 60's.

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« Reply #36412 on: August 22, 2024, 09:27:39 AM »
Yes, it's one of the great mysteries...why a developer would rather build an apartment complex in the suburbs than in the city where all the housing shorted people are and work.
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« Reply #36413 on: August 22, 2024, 09:29:07 AM »
Yes. The question is whether there should be a national response when local laws impact the nation. Sort of like civil rights issues in the 60's.
My answer would be a hard NO.
And I don't think zoning is THE major issue with any housing shortage either.

 

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