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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36358 on: August 21, 2024, 04:06:26 PM »
Did the law get thrown out?
What about the law would keep Blacks from voting?
No, and nothing.
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« Reply #36359 on: August 21, 2024, 04:07:57 PM »
No, the law remains on the books.  And no, it wouldn't keep blacks from voting, that was how it was characterized.  One change is we need "ID" to vote absentee, and there are fewer "drop boxes".  I'm told that black folks really struggle to get official IDs, or something.
which is an insanely racist argument on it's face when you think about it. black people just can't get id's says the white democrat because: those people are too stupid or too poor to do something as difficult as.......get an id! lol.

an id which of course is something they literally cannot do anything else in life without. 

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« Reply #36360 on: August 21, 2024, 04:08:42 PM »
oh man talk about poetic justice....they kill your uncle FOR SURE....possibly even your father....then you come back 5-6 decades later and head them up....

Senate would NEVER confirm this, but god damn it'd be great to see.


https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1826322351635792086

Desperate times in the Trump camp call for equally desperate measures.

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« Reply #36361 on: August 21, 2024, 04:12:07 PM »
RFK Jr. to me is hyperweird and probably mentally ill.  Just my view.  I'm not really into all these conspiracy notions, very few of them pass muster in my view.  VERY few.

Tulsi Gabbard seems OK to me.  She might be an opportunist, but then, she's in politics.

I'm trying to think of politicians I respect and admire.  About the time I think X might be OK, they say or do something ... not.

I will say that Mike Dewine write a nice recommendation for my kid to law school that carried some weight apparently.  I THINK Jack Kemp might be OK, I didn't like his commercial when he ran the first time.

Remember when Georgia pass that "draconian" voting law that would obviously stop any black person from voting?  It was SO bad the MLB moved the All Star game to Colorado?  A state with stricter voting laws than Georgia?  Now the All Star game is back next year.  Yay, I guess.
Yeah RFK is a guy whose politics I like, but maybe has too much worm brain.

Tulsi is fascinating.  She's very centrist, but in sort of the wrong ways to be electable.  And I'm not sure any centrist is electable at this point.

My wife was very upset when Trump was elected, I said it likely wouldn't change our day to day lives.  It didn't.  We became somewhat better off from 2016-2020.  She was elated when Biden got elected, I said it likely wouldn't change our day to day lives.  It didn't.  We became somewhat better off from 2020-2024.  I just can't understand getting so twisted in knots over any of this.  People love complaining about how bad things are when their party isn't in power, but largely things just keep moving in the same general direction, outside of crazy events, which just are a speed bump in that trajectory.  If Trump wins, my life will be largely unchanged.  If Harris wins, my life will remain largely unchanged.  My actual biggest issue with the past 16 years isn't the politics of Obama, Trump, Biden, but the large extremes we went to with Executive Orders.  Obama expanded them well beyond what was even remotely accepted.  Hell, even SNL made fun of it (below).  And then Trump took it to another level, as did Biden.  Did I agree with Trump on a lot of Obama era things he overturned?  Yes.  Did I agree with Biden on a lot of Trump edicts he overturned?  Yes.  But at some point, you actually undermine your global power when everyone knows the Treaties you enter into are only as good as the administration who signs them; and Trump could allow drilling under Mar A Lago tomorrow, and it wouldn't change a damn thing, because nobody is going to invest in infrastructure that is only valid depending on the administration

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« Reply #36362 on: August 21, 2024, 04:18:58 PM »
Desperate times in the Trump camp call for equally desperate measures.
The mind of a white Democrat never ceases to amaze me. How can one distort reality so much?

Nancy, Chuckie, Barry and the gang just stuck the knife in Biden's back and the Dems essentially just soft-coup'd the sitting "most popular" President eVARrrRR who won the albeit closed 2024 Democratic party primary with 14 million votes- after one lousy debate performance. Talk about desperation. And then they just handed the party nomination over to someone who didn't get a single vote- and that someone just happens to be the most unpopular Vice President in history according to approval ratings, and you think Trump is the desperate one? LOL.

DNC tv ratings are down 22% from the last one. And the last one was down 18% from the previous one. Yikes. Trump is doing every podcast, interview, and holding pressers. Where is Ka-HAHA? Why she hiding from the public? Cackling bitch ain't doing NONE of that. No interviews, no podcast appearances, no press conferences. Crazy. Why she scurrrrred? 

Not looking good for for the cackling bitch right now.....

Latest on the latest polls in the swing states according to Newsweek:


https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1826289869854753267



this news today came out about the jobs report:


https://twitter.com/PhilHollowayEsq/status/1826273588594491440

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« Reply #36363 on: August 21, 2024, 04:43:26 PM »
the balls on these fucking people...her 23 year old daughter inherited millions of dollars from Barry....:043:


https://twitter.com/TheLaurenChen/status/1826345047555801167

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« Reply #36364 on: August 21, 2024, 04:49:59 PM »
"Politician is a hypocrite and liar, film at 11...".

These conventions are just to gin up the base, nothing else.  Well, maybe to provide some amusement at times over it all.

There are folks there salvating over being appointed as Ambassador to ... Peru, or something, for a million in donation.  It's a pretty good gig.  

I've never met an ambassador, my wife has, briefly.  I met a couple Consul Generals, they seemed like cool dudes.

Why does "hypocrite" have an "e" on the end?

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« Reply #36365 on: August 21, 2024, 05:44:47 PM »
ELA is probably right.  Who wins probably won’t make much difference in my day to day life.  ( well, how much things cost might be effected, how much I have to pay in taxes, if I am the victim of a crime- if and how much punishment the perpetrators receive might be effected, who I am allowed to hire and whether it is based on meritocracy or other factors might be effected, if people I know in the military have to fight in other places in the world might be, weather my kids can afford a house might be, if I die, what I plan to leave for my kids after 40 years in the workforce might be.  And a few other unimportant things, but they are all just “maybe’s “)

But the entire process is both entertaining and annoying- it’s a constant election cycle.  

I had to laugh last night when the giddy CNN crew was slapped with reality. One of the talking heads opined that ( paraphrasing here) “ what the hell are these people talking about? They are blaming everything on Trump.  She is in the White House- she has been there for 3  1/2 years.  They have been in the White House for 12 of the last 16 years”


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« Reply #36366 on: August 21, 2024, 06:07:38 PM »
very well said HB
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« Reply #36367 on: August 21, 2024, 06:20:04 PM »
I had to laugh last night when the giddy CNN crew was slapped with reality. One of the talking heads opined that ( paraphrasing here) “ what the hell are these people talking about? They are blaming everything on Trump.  She is in the White House- she has been there for 3  1/2 years.  They have been in the White House for 12 of the last 16 years”
I haven't been watching it, but if they're seriously spending their airtime complaining that everything's Trump's fault, that's just stupid.

I disagree when people clown on Kamala about her saying what she plans to do with "you've been there 3 1/2 years--why didn't you already fix it???" Uhh, because she was the VP, dumbass. It's a position with basically zero power. 

But the completely justifiable question if they want to complain about stuff during the DNC would be "well Biden's been there for 3 1/2 years--why didn't he already fix it???" You know who wasn't there the last 3 1/2 years? Trump. Even if you inherited a mess from the former guy, you can't complain you inherited a mess 3 1/2 years later. You have to show you've done something about it. 

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« Reply #36368 on: August 21, 2024, 07:17:09 PM »
I haven't been watching it, but if they're seriously spending their airtime complaining that everything's Trump's fault, that's just stupid.

I disagree when people clown on Kamala about her saying what she plans to do with "you've been there 3 1/2 years--why didn't you already fix it???" Uhh, because she was the VP, dumbass. It's a position with basically zero power.

But the completely justifiable question if they want to complain about stuff during the DNC would be "well Biden's been there for 3 1/2 years--why didn't he already fix it???" You know who wasn't there the last 3 1/2 years? Trump. Even if you inherited a mess from the former guy, you can't complain you inherited a mess 3 1/2 years later. You have to show you've done something about it.
well the whole thing seems to be them screaming at the top of their lungs blah blah blah BUT TRUMP.....he's a racist, a fascist, and if you're a woman he wants to take away your right to have an abortion (which is ironic as fuck seeing as how that party can't even define what a woman is) and everything wrong in the country is his fault- that's literally their entire platform/airtime, because they have nothing else of substance to run on.

I would say that as far as powers of a VP goes, well it really just depends on the President. W in his first term gave Cheney enormous latitude and power to run the show when it came to foreign policy. What we do know is that the one thing that was specifically tasked to her by Biden, the border, was a disaster. What we do know is that she had insane staff turnover- something like 94%- and reporting done by what are essentially Democrat establishment rags like Axios and Politico- was that she was a fucking nightmare to work for.

And I do wonder how much influence she has in the White House. Joe Biden clearly ain't and hasn't been running that show on his lonesome. Dudes brain is play-doh. That begs the question. Who is actually calling shots and running shit day to day? The VP? ANT-ny Blinken? Jill Biden? It ain't the former Senator from MBNA.

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« Reply #36369 on: August 21, 2024, 07:23:07 PM »
well the whole thing seems to be them screaming at the top of their lungs blah blah blah BUT TRUMP.....he's a racist, a fascist, and if you're a woman he wants to take away your right to have an abortion (which is ironic as fuck seeing as how that party can't even define what a woman is) and everything wrong in the country is his fault- that's literally their entire platform/airtime, because they have nothing else of substance to run on.

I would say that as far as powers of a VP goes, well it really just depends on the President. W in his first term gave Cheney enormous latitude and power to run the show when it came to foreign policy. What we do know is that the one thing that was specifically tasked to her by Biden, the border, was a disaster. What we do know is that she had insane staff turnover- something like 94%- and reporting done by what are essentially Democrat establishment rags like Axios and Politico- was that she was a fucking nightmare to work for.

And I do wonder how much influence she has in the White House. Joe Biden clearly ain't and hasn't been running that show on his lonesome. Dudes brain is play-doh. That begs the question. Who is actually calling shots and running shit day to day? The VP? ANT-ny Blinken? Jill Biden? It ain't the former Senator from MBNA.
Its probably some young Senate intern girl whose hair smells nice.
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« Reply #36370 on: August 21, 2024, 07:27:22 PM »
the Democrats really have lost the plot...this is Biden's Secretary of Commerce saying she doesn't believe the new jobs report the US Department of Labor just released and wait for it goes full....BUT TRUMP....he is a liar so he made this stuff about this report up hahaha :043:


https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1826393684868563449

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« Reply #36371 on: August 21, 2024, 07:29:47 PM »
well the whole thing seems to be them screaming at the top of their lungs blah blah blah BUT TRUMP.....he's a racist, a fascist, and if you're a woman he wants to take away your right to have an abortion (which is ironic as fuck seeing as how that party can't even define what a woman is) and everything wrong in the country is his fault- that's literally their entire platform/airtime, because they have nothing else of substance to run on.
Again, I'm not watching the DNC. FFS, I can't with that. I didn't watch the RNC either. 

But if their mantra is "TRUMP WILL BE HORRIBLE IF YOU ELECT HIM!!!!", that's one thing. I get that. Hell, it's what Trump himself is doing referring to her as Comrade Kamala Harris. Trying to whip up your supporters over fear that the other party is the greater of two evils is just standard politics. BUT, if their mantra is "anything that's going wrong right now is because of Trump", uhh, well your dude Joe had 3 1/2 years to address that. 

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I would say that as far as powers of a VP goes, well it really just depends on the President. W in his first term gave Cheney enormous latitude and power to run the show when it came to foreign policy. What we do know is that the one thing that was specifically tasked to her by Biden, the border, was a disaster. What we do know is that she had insane staff turnover- something like 94%- and reporting done by what are essentially Democrat establishment rags like Axios and Politico- was that she was a fucking nightmare to work for.

From everything I've read, her responsibility wrt immigration was working with South American countries trying to address root causes of why their countries were so fcked that they wanted to illegally cross our border, NOT anything directly related to being in charge of the southern border. I get why Republicans want to hang that on her neck now, and politically it might stick, but I don't think it's actually true. 


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And I do wonder how much influence she has in the White House. Joe Biden clearly ain't and hasn't been running that show on his lonesome. Dudes brain is play-doh. That begs the question. Who is actually calling shots and running shit day to day? The VP? ANT-ny Blinken? Jill Biden? It ain't the former Senator from MBNA.

Post-debate when the Dems were in literal panic mode it suddenly started coming out that Jill and a couple of key advisers might be his "handlers" who are controlling access to Joe and his responses to them. I can't really confirm or deny as I wasn't there, but it certainly didn't sound like more than about 2-3 people, Kamala NOT being one of them, were part of that inner circle. 


 

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