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Hunter's laptop was real, was probably a bigger story than it could have been because of the media kerfluffle, and four years later has had no impact on anything.

"probably"?  LoL.  

Look, I'm not saying it is the end-all, be-all but there is an important reality to understand here:

Hunter's activities are at best extremely sleazy/shady.  Viewed in the best light, Hunter effectively traded on and made a substantial amount of money based on being the son of the VP.  That doesn't conclusively make even Hunter let alone Joe guilty of criminal corruption but that isn't my point here.  

My point is that when you see people on the right refusing to accept election results you HAVE to view it in this context.  The media has been lying to us for generations.  

The media buried the Hunter Biden information.  Facebook literally censored it.  It was hidden as best as they could.  If that had been a Republican it would have been BLARED from the megaphone.  

Then those same players want to turn around and tell us "Biden won, not irregularities, nothing to see here" and expect us to believe them without a doubt.  

Given this context, you can't blame anyone for on the right for refusing to believe the media.  

Now here is the problem that creates:
It is why Alex Jones has a large following.  Once the people who are supposed to tell you the truth about what is going on have lost all credibility, ANYTHING becomes possible.  The media abdicated their responsibility and that created a vacuum that ended up being filled by Alex Jones among others.  

This also relates to the immigration issue.  The media push studies showing how great immigration is for us.  These are obvious lies.  Adding unskilled laborers to an economy that is already awash in unskilled laborers is obviously detrimental and the media are lying.  

Four people were arrested after breaching a security fence near the United Center where the Democratic National Convention is being held, Chicago police said.

I don't think Alex Jones et al. have some large following.  Folks note Joe Rogan or whatever his name is, does, but it's still 15 million or whatever.  One percent of the country is still 3.3 million people (fewer if you count only adults of course).

I've known personally neighbors etc. with very odd views before the Internet, they just are more obvious now, and louder.

And I think the bast majority of "us" rely on major "MSM" news outlets for "the news", even if we prefer Fox or MSNBC to give us our daily slant.

I don't think Alex Jones et al. have some large following.  Folks note Joe Rogan or whatever his name is, does, but it's still 15 million or whatever.  One percent of the country is still 3.3 million people (fewer if you count only adults of course).

I've known personally neighbors etc. with very odd views before the Internet, they just are more obvious now, and louder.

And I think the bast majority of "us" rely on major "MSM" news outlets for "the news", even if we prefer Fox or MSNBC to give us our daily slant.

Alex Jones doesn't have a large following. he never really did. he was only ever just something for the woke mob dickless social justice warrior freak pussies to whine and complain over and try to cancel. anyone with a functioning brain could see the guy was off his rocker. we're living in ridiculous fake outrage times- where everyone has a right to be offended by everything and then demand that person who offended them and said something they don't like it's....cancel time! #staywoke

And you're conflating a few things in regards to Joe Rogan's audience. Firstly he has 17.5 million YouTube subscribers and roughly 15 million Spotify followers. His podcasts however have over several hundreds of millions monthly downloads. And all his podcasts on YouTube have several millions of views- some with as many as 60+ million views- and they are all like 2-3 hours f*cking long. Between his YouTube and Spotify channels his live streaming podcasts get millions and millions of views/listens in real time. CNN's prime time nightly 1 hour show for example can't even crack 580k viewers....that is...truly pathetic. And as far as podcasts on Spotify goes, the next closest podcast on Spotify in terms of followers is TED Talks Daily with 5 million followers. His audience is- whatever way you want to slice it- massive. It's a far bigger, vast, robust audience than just about anything in corporate legacy media. CNN would swallow a bucket of horse cum like Tim Walz does in his spare time for fun to have the kind of audience Joe Rogan has.

And I believe that you mean the majority of old farts rely on legacy corporate media for their news consumption- and it's not even really correct to call it the mainstream media because they are no longer the mainstream anymore. The average viewer of the cable tv channels are basically in their 70s. Across the board. And their viewership numbers are dying. As I said before CNN averages barely 580k viewers on their prime-time lineup. That is....a joke. Much like CNN has become...a joke. Cable news channels are dying a slow death. Newspaper/print magazine went through this- as they are all basically dead and will be officially dead within 10 years.

Joe Rogan's podcast isn't a news program either to be honest- it's a 3 hour podcast in which he has on all kinds of guests from all different backgrounds and views of the world from actors, comedians, businessmen, professors/academics, doctors, athletes, and then very rarely he'll have on a political figure here or there.

#conspiracytheorist.

IF Trump loses, then Trump can challenge election results in court- that is his or any other candidates right- and then he'll just lose in court just like he did last time around.

That isn't what I was saying. I'm sure he will challenge things in court, but the concern is he will have more allies to throw out the vote than he found last time around.

Hunter's laptop was real, was probably a bigger story than it could have been because of the media kerfluffle, and four years later has had no impact on anything. Ballot harvesting is probably real and practiced by both parties. Also real - the FBI endless "investigating" dopey charges against Hillary Clinton. None of it has anything to do with my original point about the concern of Trump and friends taking another go at stealing the election.

a) the real story you and everyone seems to miss in regards to the laptop was the "51 intelligence agents" writing and signing a letter saying the laptop was just Russian disinformation- with no evidence or anything backing those ridiculous claims up. #consirpiacytheorists....and then Biden campaign actually pushing that obvious non-sense, and then the corporate legacy media actually regurgitating that obvious lie. propaganda at work. like Chomsky said, a foreign dictator would jizz in his pants if he the propaganda apparatus the US gov't has. paraphrasing a bit there, but the point stands. when other countries are propagandized they know they are being gas lit. when it happens here, the complete and utter fucking morons in this country however actually believe it. sadly. 

b) that dopey charges coming from you is rich, considering you seem to cheer on the ridiculous charges at Trump....including that asinine charge and conviction in NY....talk about the definition of dopey charges. And for the record Hillary was never charged with anything. And the woman was running a god damn private email server (in a bathroom of all fucking places)- as acting US secretary of state. are you really telling me they shouldn't have investigated that? do you understand the insane security risks she was putting the Obama administration and the country at? and the complete disregard for protocol and US law she was displaying? what is your argument here? that she should've just been allowed to break the law and no one look into it? it's absolutely INSANE to me that nothing happened to her over this. not even some kind of slap on the wrist or a revocation of her security clearance. she requested it be revoked years later in "protest"....LOL. 

Joe Rogan's podcast isn't a news program either to be honest- it's a 3 hour podcast in which he has on all kinds of guests from all different backgrounds and views of the world from actors, comedians, businessmen, professors/academics, doctors, athletes, and then very rarely he'll have on a political figure here or there.

Sure, he interviews people, but how many are using it as a primary source of "news"?  I don't see it.  Maybe folks use it for some varied information at times, or just find it interesting.  But what does he discuss that constitutes NEWS?

I'm sure some folks get their "news" from "The View" and whatever comedian has some late night show.  OK with me.  I rely on information to make monetary decisions that impact me personally, so I want hard core facts, nearly as can be ascertained.  I'm personally not very interested in "Talk Shows".