Well, you have already admitted that guns contribute to homicides, yet you fail to take responsibility admit the right has blood on its hands. Why? Because in your heart you feel that the costs of dramatically tightening up gun possession is not worth the benefits. Instead, the "left" must admit that they have blood on their hands, because they somehow aren't that interested in "lot(s) of police interactions."
First, I don't recall saying that guns contribute to homicides and
@Cincydawg posted actual stats refuting the idea that gun proliferation correlates with homicides. I've also refuted that with the fact that those extra guns sold in 2019-2021 haven't vaporized so if the guns cause homicides then homicides should still be going up. Furthermore, I pointed out that guns were MORE (not less) available back in the 1960's when J Hidell (look it up if you want to know) ordered a sniper rifle by mail and had it sent to a PO Box.
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@Cincydawg , I'm absolutely in favor of tightening up on gun possession by violent felons. As I've been saying all along, gun possession by violent felons exploded post Floyd because police interactions plummeted. This is pretty simple cost/benefit and I'm pretty sure even you agreed with my explanation that if I'm a violent felon and police interactions plummet, there are at least two reasons for my likelihood to carry to increase:
- I'm less likely to get dinged for illegal possession, and
- I have more need because all the other violent felons are facing the same reality so more of them are carrying and now I need mine to protect myself.
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It's always the same. You want all the benefits of something when the costs don't impact you, and when the costs do impact you, they are unfair. But when other people complain about the costs affecting them, they have "blood on their hands.""
The costs of doing this in an actually effective way do NOT impact me. Cracking down on violent felons carrying doesn't impact me at all. The problem is that the left's proposals are almost uniformly designed as if to be as ineffective as possible. Numerous cities with leftist/Soros prosecutors have decriminalized gun possession while at the same time the same idiots want to take away MY guns. MY guns aren't the problem. The problem is guns in the hands of violent felons.
Leftist policies are designed to infringe on MY rights despite the fact that my guns are NOT the problem while NOT going after the actual problem, firearm possession by violent felons.
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Even if we take everything you want to believe as true, it is still quite flimsy. Yes, lots of murders happen over trivial matters. Many of them happen due to arguments on Instagram. Should we ban Instagram to help reduce homicides? Does our failure to ban Instagram mean we have blood on our hands over that, too? There is literally no end to the restrictions you can make when you stop taking into account things like rights when making your proclamations about saving the children and who has blood on their hands."
Your sly implication that I've said something that isn't true that I "want to be true" is cute but silly. If you don't think something I've said is true lets here you refute it. If you can't, STFU.
Security and Liberty are always in conflict. They always have been and they always will be. I've advocated for MORE police interactions to crack down on ILLEGAL possession of firearms. That is a liberty that I find to be not worth protecting and it creates a massive improvement in security.
I'll never be for random infringements on liberty that do NOT improve security.
What I HATE about the modern left is that they are pushing us into anarcho-tyranny. The Gun Control measures that they support are limitations on legal possession by non-felons. These curtail liberty without improving security. It is literally the worst of both worlds. We get all the tyranny of a police state with the lack of security of a libertarian state. At least in a true police state we'd be safe and at least in a libertarian state at least we'd be free. In this anarcho-tyranny we are neither safe nor free.
Even the NYT admits that depolicing "contributed to" the increase in traffic fatalities. Sure, they tried to blame it partially on COVID but that does not withstand scrutiny as I have pointed out multiple times. They also didn't admit that homicides rose at the same time and for the same reason but what can you expect from a left wing rag?
The left pushed depolicing. As a result, police interactions dropped. As a result, deaths from BOTH traffic fatalities and homicides increased. All of these things are true. Own it.
