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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #35098 on: July 26, 2024, 12:07:04 PM »
Oh holy crap, just did a Google search on that image and that's what Ted Nugent looks like these days?  WOW.  That's... different.


Yep. He's a pretty damn cool guy too.
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« Reply #35099 on: July 26, 2024, 12:08:27 PM »
I think where Fox's actual news shows, and CNNs, break right or left, is in the selection of news they choose to show.  Which is, in effect, just another form of editorializing.  To me, filtering the content is really no different than making editorial commentary on the content, in intent if not in result.

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« Reply #35100 on: July 26, 2024, 12:09:07 PM »
I'll set aside my disagreements with this temporarily. For the sake of discussion, even if everything you said here is true, what difference does it make?

Yes, in this era we can and do select our news media but the conservative segment of that is, IMHO simply an echo chamber engaged in "preaching to the choir". Most of the liberal segment is the same thing, both are mostly talking to the converted rather than actually getting converts.

This is why I think that non-"news" entertainment is vastly more important. I can choose conservative "news" but I can't choose a Conservative version of Hollywood.
I'd argue, on the other hand, that we should be discouraging people from creating a nice warm and comforting cocoon of confirmation bias around themselves, whether it be done by their news or their entertainment choices. 

But that's just me, I guess. 

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« Reply #35101 on: July 26, 2024, 12:09:12 PM »
I actually don't know the political leanings of a lot of stars, not that I pay much attention to them.  I know some are very vocally active, and that might make us think the rest are as well.  I agree Hollywood broadly speaking is more liberal than "America".

On rare occasion, I'll watch cable news, if a story is breaking usually.  We get a channel that shows CNN/Fox/MSNBC/BBC all at once, you can toggle between them for audio.  It's useful I find.  I have watched a while back a few minutes of the Fox News "news hour" or whatever it's called and it seems "balanced" to me, similar to what I'd see on CNN.  Where some go left or right is with their "non news" shows.
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« Reply #35102 on: July 26, 2024, 12:14:24 PM »
Which sources/outlets would you describe as "conservative media?" 

Fox News obviously, but what else?
I'd say Twitter, definitely, given that Elon Musk owns it and mostly uses to talk about Tesla and share conservative memes. I wouldn't characterize Facebook the company as particularly liberal or conservative. I don't really use the various other forms of social media (TikTok/TruthSocial/SnapChat) so I'm not going to opine. But social media is easily the fastest growing source of news.

It also lends itself much more to people telling you what you want to hear. Laura Loomer has over a million followers on Twitter and "reports" utter nonsense, but because people want to believe it she gets amplified over more boring news reports. Is Laura Loomer "news." No. But is she media? Absolutely.

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« Reply #35103 on: July 26, 2024, 12:17:05 PM »
I think where Fox's actual news shows, and CNNs, break right or left, is in the selection of news they choose to show.  Which is, in effect, just another form of editorializing.  To me, filtering the content is really no different than making editorial commentary on the content, in intent if not in result.
I have watched at least parts of CNN and Fox News "hours" simultaneously and they LOOK to be the same, usually, for major news topics, but I agree that often the bias is about editing what to show and what not.  

As for movie stars, if I have no idea of their politics, I don't know why it matters.  It probably matters to them because of blacklisting potential.

Anyway, I figure, as noted, if you find yourself watching the news and head nodding most of the time, it's probably the wrong channel for you.  Find another than makes you unhappy.  I can't tolerate watching TV news for long, I can read articles on line much faster without the ads.

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« Reply #35104 on: July 26, 2024, 12:20:27 PM »
Twitter used to be quite liberal.  To the point where their "fact-checkers" would absolutely shut down conservative talk, even when it was true.

Facebook is still very much that way.  Conservative speech is rigorously scrubbed, while liberal speech is held to much different standards.

Tiktok and Instagram skew heavily to the younger set which are typically more liberal, but I don't believe either are heavily influencing opinion.  Still, they do act as a confirmation bias echo chamber for liberal ideals.

I wouldn't say Twitter is now "conservative."  It's simply removed the heavy liberal lean it once had, and also removed most of the legitimacy of anyone on the platform, so if anything it's just the wild wild west.  Anyone attempting to consume actual news from Twitter now, well, caveat emptor.


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« Reply #35105 on: July 26, 2024, 12:25:37 PM »


Facebook is still very much that way.  Conservative speech is rigorously scrubbed, while liberal speech is held to much different standards.


That feels like more urban legend than reality, though part of the issue is "conservative" and "made up hooey" are increasingly becoming one and the same.

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« Reply #35106 on: July 26, 2024, 12:30:09 PM »
NORAD said in May it was tracking four Russian military aircraft operating in the Alaska ADIZ, saying at the time that the activity “occurs regularly and is not seen as a threat.”

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« Reply #35107 on: July 26, 2024, 12:31:52 PM »
Facebook is still very much that way.  Conservative speech is rigorously scrubbed, while liberal speech is held to much different standards.
This is very counter to my personal experience.

They dinged two of my posts recently, which has never happened before, and neither was at all political.  One was sharing a post already posted about development in Atlanta.  The other was a link to RCP.

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« Reply #35108 on: July 26, 2024, 12:38:45 PM »
That feels like more urban legend than reality, though part of the issue is "conservative" and "made up hooey" are increasingly becoming one and the same.

Meh, I've actually seen it happen to my parents on Facebook.  They've reposted articles that were factual and conservative and I watched them get scraped. Facebook can do anything it wants.  And it does.

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« Reply #35109 on: July 26, 2024, 12:40:58 PM »
This is very counter to my personal experience.

They dinged two of my posts recently, which has never happened before, and neither was at all political.  One was sharing a post already posted about development in Atlanta.  The other was a link to RCP.
OK. So?

It's very aligned to my personal experience.  I don't post anything political on Facebook, indeed I rarely post anything at all.  But for my parents it's almost religious.  And I've watched factual items that were conservative in nature get scraped from Facebook.

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« Reply #35110 on: July 26, 2024, 12:43:45 PM »
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Thoughts from Floridians? Is this portending a meaningful change in the housing market? 

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« Reply #35111 on: July 26, 2024, 12:50:04 PM »
I'm "friends" on FB with a number of Marines, most of whom post a ton of conservative stuff.  Much of it is memes that are misleading or just false, but it comes through, and then they comment on it for a while.  I'm also on with a number of baseball players who do  the same thing, a couple of them are quite conservative.  They light it up, and it goes through.

I also have liberal 'friends" who post stuff, of late it's mostly been about Project 2025.  If I note an inaccuracy in something, that goes through, though expectedly it has no impact on the liberals even if I use liberal sources for the facts.  

I occasionally post a political topic myself, probably half are left leaning and half are right leaning, just to stir pots.  They all go through except the aforementioned pair which weren't in my mind political at all.  

I know they use some algorithms to reject posts, and their programming is really weird and not good.

 

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