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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34944 on: July 23, 2024, 09:13:51 PM »
Can you elaborate? I'm sorta spitballing on that, so I'd love to know what it is you disagree with.

My view is that for the casual voter, they've never given a TON of thought to Kamala at the top of the ticket. Even post-debate and with all the calls for Joe to drop out, many voters were probably taking a "wait and see what happens" approach rather than really trying to determine who Kamala is and how strong she'll be as a candidate.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a lot of people have much stronger opinions on her than I do. I dunno...
No biggie.  You may be right.  I have a ton of respect for your opinion.   Very balanced and backed with data when needed.   Often a voice of reason here👍
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34947 on: July 23, 2024, 10:13:39 PM »


Just like they convinced us for three years right up until several days ago that President Biden was “the sharpest man in the room “and was “outworking everybody in the White House” And that was humongous lie.  Big cover-up!

Honestly, whoever their candidate is, I don’t think the opponent has a chance
They didn’t convince me of shit. I knew he was in serious decline even before the 2020 election. 

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« Reply #34948 on: July 23, 2024, 10:18:47 PM »
Somebody mentioned RFK Jr. Seriously, have any of you heard him speak?  As in, his voice?  It sounds like gravel being rolled around a barrel inside a phone booth over a kiddo walkie talkie. I tried to listen to what he says several times, and at first I thought maybe he just lost his voice. He actually has some kind of medical condition and has had it for years. There’s no cure. I literally cannot bear to hear him speak for more than a few minutes. I like some of the messaging, but can’t bear the delivery. Can’t do it. 

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« Reply #34949 on: July 23, 2024, 10:20:05 PM »
my voice has been like that for 2 weeks
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« Reply #34950 on: July 23, 2024, 10:37:25 PM »
His has been that way for two decades. 

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« Reply #34951 on: July 24, 2024, 08:27:06 AM »
They didn’t convince me of shit. I knew he was in serious decline even before the 2020 election.
Same, and unlike some here I do resent being lied to, even though I knew it.

Who has been running the country since January 2021?
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« Reply #34952 on: July 24, 2024, 08:31:45 AM »
Same, and unlike some here I do resent being lied to, even though I knew it.

Who has been running the country since January 2021?
LOL, if you resent being lied to, you don't have many options

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« Reply #34953 on: July 24, 2024, 08:37:26 AM »
Actually, I think USUALLY some team in the background "runs the country" for every President, with some exceptions.

I've noted before my experience with VPs where I worked.  They get presented a story with only one decision to be made, because the presentation is shaped so that only one outcome is obvious.  VPs HATE to have to make tough decisions on their own.

I strongly suspect the "team" around a President collude to make decisions and then present the story to the Man such that only one decision is obvious, and he "makes" it.  Groupthink is another variation of this.  

And think about what decisions a President really has to make?  He gets around 4,000 "appointments".  He has no clue who most of these folks are.  He can sign, or not sign, some bill from Congress.  It's generally obvious he's going to sign it, it's rare a President doesn't.  And then it's a political decision most of the time.  What else does he do?  He can order our troops hither and yon, usually with bad results in recent history.  But many Presidents couldn't fine Iraq on a map, in my view.

If you get a President who is a kind of "technocrat" like Jimmy Carter he may get more involved in details, but that didn't work out so great back then.

A President is a "Show Pony", he comes out and gives speeches (Obama) and remarks to the media which are written by someone else to sound good.  Then he goes back to the WH or CD and "shoots skeet" or layups or works on his Final Four guesses and watches ESPN.

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« Reply #34954 on: July 24, 2024, 08:39:33 AM »
LOL, if you resent being lied to, you don't have many options
This was an attempt to hide a puppet president for 3+ years.

WHO HAS BEEN/IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY?

This really doesn't bother you?
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« Reply #34955 on: July 24, 2024, 08:43:14 AM »
This was an attempt to hide a puppet president for 3+ years.

WHO HAS BEEN/IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY?

This really doesn't bother you?
Not really. It isn't particularly hard to see what decisions a president cares about and those he doesn't. Trump obviously wasn't "running the country" and outsourced most decisions to the character of the week. Biden probably has been more hands on, but declaring that someone else has run the country while Biden sat in his basement is Republican fantasy, not reality.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34956 on: July 24, 2024, 08:46:13 AM »
What is a decision Biden really care about and likely made on his own?

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34957 on: July 24, 2024, 08:46:56 AM »
What is a decision Biden really care about and likely made on his own?
Ending the war in Afghanistan

 

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