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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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« Reply #34524 on: July 17, 2024, 12:52:35 PM »

hopefully both the Republicans and Democrats learn from this and start trying to tone down the rhetoric.
Agree 100%.

This constant drivel from the parties, and their mediot parrots, about how "If that other guy from the other team is elected, it'll be the end of the world as we know it. All babies will die, beer will become illegal, and every molecule in your body will explode at the speed of light" has got to stop.

Trump has already been president for 4 years.  The world didn't end.  

Biden has already been president for almost 4 years.  The world didn't end.

This doomsday chicken little shit has got to stop.  The world isn't gonna end if "your team" doesn't win.  The truth is, probably not a whole lot in your day-to-day life is going to change, at all.

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« Reply #34525 on: July 17, 2024, 01:03:35 PM »
Agree 100%.

This constant drivel from the parties, and their mediot parrots, about how "If that other guy from the other team is elected, it'll be the end of the world as we know it. All babies will die, beer will become illegal, and every molecule in your body will explode at the speed of light" has got to stop.

Trump has already been president for 4 years.  The world didn't end. 

Biden has already been president for almost 4 years.  The world didn't end.

This doomsday chicken little shit has got to stop.  The world isn't gonna end if "your team" doesn't win.  The truth is, probably not a whole lot in your day-to-day life is going to change, at all.
Agreed.

But I don't think it'll happen unfortunately.

The Lincoln Project- a NYT/The Bezos Post/60 Minutes of stupidity/ClowNN/MSDNC friendly prominent anti-Trump PAC founded by bunch of scuzzy former Republican weirdos (one of which is an exposed homosexual pedophile) turned DNC operatives- literally the day after the shooting....BuT hE'S hiTLeR deRp DeRp....


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« Reply #34526 on: July 17, 2024, 01:13:02 PM »
Not that I know much about training, or how tall you are, but if you did want to run, you’d probably have to do lower impact cardio to start and then slowly ramp up.

Starting running is miserable, but if you want to be sore, that’ll do it.
I'm solid on the cardio... Been riding the Peloton for over 2 years now, including 90- and 120-minute endurance rides, so not just spinning my legs for 20 minutes bopping to tunes like a lot of people with Pelotons lol. 

I may be 250+, but at 6'5" I'm actually pretty lean these days. Running is still just too much impact on the lower half at that weight, especially because my form sucks. 

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« Reply #34527 on: July 17, 2024, 01:27:14 PM »
Agree 100%.

This constant drivel from the parties, and their mediot parrots, about how "If that other guy from the other team is elected, it'll be the end of the world as we know it. All babies will die, beer will become illegal, and every molecule in your body will explode at the speed of light" has got to stop.

Trump has already been president for 4 years.  The world didn't end. 

Biden has already been president for almost 4 years.  The world didn't end.

This doomsday chicken little shit has got to stop.  The world isn't gonna end if "your team" doesn't win.  The truth is, probably not a whole lot in your day-to-day life is going to change, at all.
I've been here a long time. You've all known me a long time. I think I've built a reputation over that time of being a clear-headed thinker, and one not prone to hysteria or chicken little behavior. I'm the guy on the airplane that if someone is sitting next to me scared of flying, say "Just watch me. If I'm not freaking out, everything is normal, and you shouldn't freak out either. If I start freaking out, something's wrong."

I remember when people were saying that Bush II was going to declare martial law. I remember when people were saying the same about Obama. I didn't believe either and thought it was lunacy. I've believed that every President of my lifetime--save one--has been an honorable man trying to do their best for the country. Even some who were a fair bit slimy like Clinton. When they assumed the office, they realized that their purpose was now bigger than themselves. I obviously haven't always agreed with their policies, but I have not questioned their motives.

I honestly believe that Trump is categorically different, and a danger to everything I hold dear about this country. I believe that he holds nothing in the world higher than his own self-interest. I believe he'll do anything and everything, legal or illegal, Constitutional or not, in the service of the one thing he holds dear--himself.  About the only redeeming thing I can say about him is that what happens in America reflects on him if he's President, so at least the interests of the country are loosely aligned with his interest in gratifying his own ego.

This is my belief after nearly 46 years of life, having studied and written about politics a lot more than the average person, and not being part of either "team"--although I'd lean more R than D. All I can say is that I desperately hope I'm wrong. 

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« Reply #34528 on: July 17, 2024, 01:28:34 PM »
This someone posted on FB yesterdaym the comments were historically ... incorrect.


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« Reply #34529 on: July 17, 2024, 01:39:42 PM »
I've been here a long time. You've all known me a long time. I think I've built a reputation over that time of being a clear-headed thinker, and one not prone to hysteria or chicken little behavior. I'm the guy on the airplane that if someone is sitting next to me scared of flying, say "Just watch me. If I'm not freaking out, everything is normal, and you shouldn't freak out either. If I start freaking out, something's wrong."

I remember when people were saying that Bush II was going to declare martial law. I remember when people were saying the same about Obama. I didn't believe either and thought it was lunacy. I've believed that every President of my lifetime--save one--has been an honorable man trying to do their best for the country. Even some who were a fair bit slimy like Clinton. When they assumed the office, they realized that their purpose was now bigger than themselves. I obviously haven't always agreed with their policies, but I have not questioned their motives.

I honestly believe that Trump is categorically different, and a danger to everything I hold dear about this country. I believe that he holds nothing in the world higher than his own self-interest. I believe he'll do anything and everything, legal or illegal, Constitutional or not, in the service of the one thing he holds dear--himself.  About the only redeeming thing I can say about him is that what happens in America reflects on him if he's President, so at least the interests of the country are loosely aligned with his interest in gratifying his own ego.

This is my belief after nearly 46 years of life, having studied and written about politics a lot more than the average person, and not being part of either "team"--although I'd lean more R than D. All I can say is that I desperately hope I'm wrong.
I respect your opinion, but I'll suggest that despite your intelligence and general neutrality, and despite your opinion of the origin of your beliefs, that the constant rhetoric is in fact getting to you and shaping the way you are forming your opinions.

I don't like Trump, have never voted for him, and will never vote for him.  I think he's a mean person, a nasty person, a selfish and self-absorbed person, and in general a complete asshole.  But during his presidency, I actually agreed with a decent amount of his policy, and the parts I didn't agree with, never really grew into anything that became codified in law in a way I felt was long-term detrimental.

That's actually different than what I'd say about Obama-- I believe several parts of his platform that he managed to push into execution, are currently and will continue to be long term detrimental to our country.

And perhaps the main difference in viewpoint between you and me, is that I don't see Trump doing much different, or much worse, than he did in his first term.  I'm not afraid he's going to completely change his approach and really mess things up this time, if he didn't do it the first time.  Sure he's selfish and self-serving, but in many ways his self interests align to what I consider to be the interests of this country.  And so if he enacts some of those things into policy and it benefits him, there are cases where it will also benefit the country, in my opinion.

We all have our own lenses and approach things differently, and some people hated his policy in the first term and so will invariably hate it in his second term (should that happen, of course).  But I don't see any evidence to believe he's going to radically change his direction at this point, and in general I don't think he did anything devastatingly terrible in his first term.

Just my opinion obviously, but I choose not to let the outside voices-- the mediots and politicians and parrots and stooges-- color my perception of how a second Trump presidency would go, in relation to the first.

And if Sleepy Joe gets elected, then I don't think my own personal life will change much, either.


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« Reply #34530 on: July 17, 2024, 01:42:08 PM »
I've been here a long time. You've all known me a long time. I think I've built a reputation over that time of being a clear-headed thinker, and one not prone to hysteria or chicken little behavior. I'm the guy on the airplane that if someone is sitting next to me scared of flying, say "Just watch me. If I'm not freaking out, everything is normal, and you shouldn't freak out either. If I start freaking out, something's wrong."

I remember when people were saying that Bush II was going to declare martial law. I remember when people were saying the same about Obama. I didn't believe either and thought it was lunacy. I've believed that every President of my lifetime--save one--has been an honorable man trying to do their best for the country. Even some who were a fair bit slimy like Clinton. When they assumed the office, they realized that their purpose was now bigger than themselves. I obviously haven't always agreed with their policies, but I have not questioned their motives.

I honestly believe that Trump is categorically different, and a danger to everything I hold dear about this country. I believe that he holds nothing in the world higher than his own self-interest. I believe he'll do anything and everything, legal or illegal, Constitutional or not, in the service of the one thing he holds dear--himself.  About the only redeeming thing I can say about him is that what happens in America reflects on him if he's President, so at least the interests of the country are loosely aligned with his interest in gratifying his own ego.

This is my belief after nearly 46 years of life, having studied and written about politics a lot more than the average person, and not being part of either "team"--although I'd lean more R than D. All I can say is that I desperately hope I'm wrong.
You just described just about exactly how I felt/feel about Obama, @betarhoalphadelta 

I have the perspective of having watched Obama "grow up" in Chicago. His road to the top was not pretty. He is NOT a good person by any stretch. One of the most divisive people on the plant too. He's always been that way.

Yet, the world didn't end, even with him in office for 8 very long years.
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« Reply #34531 on: July 17, 2024, 01:42:54 PM »
This someone posted on FB yesterdaym the comments were historically ... incorrect.



Yup, this is the exact kind of low-information low-IQ stupid-ass shit that the dirty unwashed masses fall for again and again.


Yay identity politics and political sports-gaming!

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« Reply #34532 on: July 17, 2024, 01:47:04 PM »
Agree 100%.

This constant drivel from the parties, and their mediot parrots, about how "If that other guy from the other team is elected, it'll be the end of the world as we know it. All babies will die, beer will become illegal, and every molecule in your body will explode at the speed of light" has got to stop.

Trump has already been president for 4 years.  The world didn't end. 

Biden has already been president for almost 4 years.  The world didn't end.

This doomsday chicken little shit has got to stop.  The world isn't gonna end if "your team" doesn't win.  The truth is, probably not a whole lot in your day-to-day life is going to change, at all.
It's the 24-hour "news" channels.

I'm visiting my dad and his wife and if it was up to her, FN would be blaring on the TV, 24/7.  No matter how repetitive it is.  FN HAS to villainize Biden and MSNBC HAS to villainize Trump, etc.  If they don't, no one watches.  

People can remain civil if they get propaganda here and there.  Just the 30 min nightly news.  Just a magazine article.  Just a website.
But many expose themselves to it every waking minute and THAT radicalizes you.  It can't not.  







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« Reply #34533 on: July 17, 2024, 01:47:45 PM »
A thing I think about Trump, and Obama, is that they strike me as being lazy.  They obviously love being adored and admired.  Neither seemed to me to get very involved and engaged with much of anything.  They could give a speech and disappear.

A mover and shaker like LBJ worked hard, like him or not.  LBJ got stuff DONE.  He knew the levers of power and knew what he wanted.  Even Bush II got a lot of legislation signed.  I didn't view him as that bright, but he wasn't lazy.  He worked at it.

I agree with utee here, four more years of Trump would be a lot of occasional bombast and Congress off trying to find some direction.  Trump probably would have some impact on foreign policy, Ukraine would probably be in bad shape.  I figure Ukraine is going to end up negotiating anyway, and no from any position of strength.

Trump would reverse some Biden EOs, but they MOSTLY do little, in my view.  Opening up new areas for drilling doesn't start more drilling necessarily.  Producers are producing now, under Biden's "war on oil" at record levels, and the price of oil isn't high enough to push some avalanche of new drilling.

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« Reply #34534 on: July 17, 2024, 01:48:57 PM »
More folks watch NBC/ABC/CBS news than Fox News or all cable news.  Fox found a niche, MSNBC tried to find a niche, and CNN just got lost with no niche.

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« Reply #34535 on: July 17, 2024, 01:53:55 PM »
More folks watch NBC/ABC/CBS news than Fox News or all cable news.  Fox found a niche, MSNBC tried to find a niche, and CNN just got lost with no niche.
NBC/ABC/CBS all lean noticeably left.  They have for my entire life.  It's what got Dan Rather famously shit-canned.  He's just the one that got caught completely crossing the line.

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« Reply #34536 on: July 17, 2024, 02:00:44 PM »
I respect your opinion, but I'll suggest that despite your intelligence and general neutrality, and despite your opinion of the origin of your beliefs, that the constant rhetoric is in fact getting to you and shaping the way you are forming your opinions.

Just my opinion obviously, but I choose not to let the outside voices-- the mediots and politicians and parrots and stooges-- color my perception of how a second Trump presidency would go, in relation to the first.
Again, I hope that you're right. I don't want to be right about this. 

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« Reply #34537 on: July 17, 2024, 02:00:56 PM »
With the internet it's easier than ever to ensure "the media" tells you exactly what you want to hear

 

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