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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34342 on: July 16, 2024, 11:36:27 AM »
People aren't fleeing cities
How much more data do you need to see on the population declines of major "progressive" cities/states - particularly over the past 4 years?
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« Reply #34343 on: July 16, 2024, 11:38:03 AM »
Right. They may be fleeing SOME cities, but they move to others. It's not some mass re-ruralization of America.

And it's not just here.
[img width=500 height=312.983]https://i.imgur.com/diMEvYt.png[/img]

It's easy to see why. We don't as a society make the bulk of our economy from farming. Most jobs now involve regularly interacting with other people. Cities = other people.


I won't speak for anyone else, I don't recall anyone suggesting that in general people were fleeing all cities.

The original suggestion that sparked this part of the discussion, is that people were fleeing SOME cities (which is certainly true), and the implication was that people are fleeing progressive/liberal cities (which is also true in some cases, but no evidence has been provided to support that this is a trend across the entire country).


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« Reply #34344 on: July 16, 2024, 11:38:55 AM »
And you cited NY as an example, that was directly and immediately refuted.
NYC is still the most populous and densest city in America by a mile.

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« Reply #34345 on: July 16, 2024, 11:39:43 AM »
It's a fact the population of SOME major cities has been declining.  

Atlanta has been edging up rather slowly after decades of decline.

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« Reply #34346 on: July 16, 2024, 11:40:26 AM »
NYC is still the most populous and densest city in America by a mile.
And is that population declining?  Last I heard, it was a veritable "ghost town".  Oh wait, I never heard that.

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« Reply #34347 on: July 16, 2024, 11:40:34 AM »
NYC is still the most populous and densest city in America by a mile.
That doesn't mean it's not declining. 
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« Reply #34348 on: July 16, 2024, 11:41:17 AM »
NYC is still the most populous and densest city in America by a mile.
Again with the strawman/red herring.

Nobody has suggested that NYC isn't a large city.

People have observed and demonstrated with facts that NYC has had a sizeable population decline within the past 4 years.  For NYC at least, it is true that people are fleeing the city.

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« Reply #34349 on: July 16, 2024, 11:41:32 AM »
How much more data do you need to see on the population declines of major "progressive" cities/states - particularly over the past 4 years?
Columbus is run by "progressives" yet is growing. Cleveland has shrunk and Cincinnati has been basically flat. 

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« Reply #34350 on: July 16, 2024, 11:43:26 AM »
 It's not some mass re-ruralization of America.

That would be interesting, lol.
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« Reply #34351 on: July 16, 2024, 11:44:32 AM »
That would be interesting, lol.
It might be fun.
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« Reply #34352 on: July 16, 2024, 11:46:28 AM »
Columbus is run by "progressives" yet is growing. Cleveland has shrunk and Cincinnati has been basically flat.
Seems to me that your mayor is more of the moderate type, but I'll admit you would know better than I.

Columbus doesn't stand out as a major crime center nationally.

Regardless, there is an outlier or two, perhaps.
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« Reply #34353 on: July 16, 2024, 11:46:55 AM »
It might be fun.
Maybe if enough hipsters decide they want to recapture that old fashioned American country spirit, they can cause a shift.

And then they'll be gone from the cities.  Win-win.

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« Reply #34354 on: July 16, 2024, 11:47:35 AM »
On the "people aren't leaving cities" statement, citing 1 city that has lost population (NYC) doesn't refute the point.

Before COVID/Trump, the biggest examples were Philadelphia and Detroit (New Orleans discounted due too a unique reason).
Since then, NYC as a city and CA as a state has had more-than-usual emigration.  

And those people are moving to sun belt cities, obviously.  As they have been.

I kind of think both sides are wrong here, lol.  People are moving from NE/MW cities....but they're moving to other cities.
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« Reply #34355 on: July 16, 2024, 11:53:30 AM »
Population declines continued in the nation’s three largest metros — New York, Los Angeles and Chicago — but their losses were lower than in previous years. New York City lost 78,000 residents last year. 

Of the 56 metro areas with populations greater than 1 million, 42 either saw their populations go up, or losses that were lower than during the nadir of the pandemic years, according to William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution. Many are now seeing less migration out to other U.S. jurisdictions, or gains from immigration.

Folks were leaving urban areas because of the pandemic, that trend appears to have slowed.  And the term "metro area" includes a lot of suburban population of course.  

 

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