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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34049 on: July 08, 2024, 05:38:17 PM »



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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34051 on: July 08, 2024, 06:00:51 PM »
I agree and I'll add this:
We probably don't even need them for that.  If we got into an actual "all out" war with one of those planes wouldn't be the main thrust anyway, instead we'd be launching ICBM's from submarines. 
Eh. I assume we'd try to avoid MAD as long as possible.

Which means all of those assets would be in play until one side would be in serious danger of losing, and then would try the first strike launch, and then we'd all be F'ed. 

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34052 on: July 08, 2024, 06:06:20 PM »
Technically, the missiles in submarines are called SLBMs, if that matters (Sea Launched).  An Ohio class carries 24 of them.  Each missile can carry up to ten warheads.  Each warhead is roughly 10x the power of the Nagasaki weapon.

And nuclear war would cause climate change, so we can't do it.

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« Reply #34053 on: July 08, 2024, 06:11:18 PM »
Technically, the missiles in submarines are called SLBMs, if that matters (Sea Launched).  An Ohio class carries 24 of them.  Each missile can carry up to ten warheads.  Each warhead is roughly 10x the power of the Nagasaki weapon.

And nuclear war would cause climate change, so we can't do it.
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« Reply #34054 on: July 08, 2024, 08:58:02 PM »
I agree and I'll add this:
We probably don't even need them for that.  If we got into an actual "all out" war with one of those planes wouldn't be the main thrust anyway, instead we'd be launching ICBM's from submarines. 
Well no one should get in an air battle against us - it's just throwing money and lives in the trash can.  
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« Reply #34055 on: July 08, 2024, 09:02:02 PM »
what Cincy said earlier but also....they are going to be pivoting away from manned fighter aircraft. skynet is going to kill us all.

"Vista flew its first AI-controlled dogfight in September 2023, and there have only been about two dozen similar flights since. But the programs are learning so quickly from each engagement that some AI versions getting tested on Vista are already beating human pilots in air-to-air combat."

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2024/05/03/ai-controlled-fighter-jet-takes-air-force-secretary-on-historic-ride/
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34057 on: July 08, 2024, 11:48:17 PM »



Not a criticism of you at all, but I'm tired of shit like this.  'What people think' IS NOT 'how things actually are.'

20-25 years ago, there was a MASSIVE shift in news obsessing about how people feel about a thing vs what actually is.  I guess it's because it garners more eyeballs, but it's breaking our society. 

I don't give a shit if 40% of people are delusional dipshits, I care about what's true.  What is. 
Keeping tabs on ratings for news hours or channels is a society-endangering thing. 
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34058 on: July 09, 2024, 07:42:32 AM »
How things are is important of course, and how people THINK things are is also important, as it can lead to changes.

Take "assault weapons" for example, a majority of voters want them banned thinking it would reduce crime by a lot, when that is factually incorrect, by a lot.

A lot of folks want climate change addressed because they think that's important without understanding what we're trying to do is irrelevant to the underlying causes.

A lot of folks think illegal immigrants increase crime rates, when everything I read says that isn't the case, but any time an illegal does something heinous, it makes the "news" in a big way (at least some places).

The "news" often takes an issue and exaggerates it for eyeballs and clicks and that influences how people think, which influences how politicians pretend to "do something".

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« Reply #34059 on: July 09, 2024, 08:10:57 AM »
Not a criticism of you at all, but I'm tired of shit like this.  'What people think' IS NOT 'how things actually are.'

20-25 years ago, there was a MASSIVE shift in news obsessing about how people feel about a thing vs what actually is.  I guess it's because it garners more eyeballs, but it's breaking our society. 

I don't give a shit if 40% of people are delusional dipshits, I care about what's true.  What is. 
Keeping tabs on ratings for news hours or channels is a society-endangering thing. 
So, tell us what is true.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34060 on: July 09, 2024, 08:20:17 AM »
I don't see how it's any danger to "Society" if I keep tabs on how folks out there appear to be thinking.  But maybe I'm wrong.  I could be some covert danger to society and not know it.

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« Reply #34061 on: July 09, 2024, 08:28:43 AM »
I don't see how it's any danger to "Society" if I keep tabs on how folks out there appear to be thinking.  But maybe I'm wrong.  I could be some covert danger to society and not know it.
This particular subject is a danger to the teacher society.
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